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01-16-2011, 01:27 AM
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a rare excellent blockbuster proposal

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As an Oiler fan, I'd rather keep Penner and our own 1st. Lets draft our own players and keep Penner who is a key piece on our team.
This, though I would trade Penner +, but keep our 1st rounder and get RHN or Couturier as our new 1st line center.

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Wow St. Louis fans overrrate their players more then any other team I've seen.
Hall is and always will be better than Oshie
Penner is worth a lot more than Cole(average prospect comparable to Alex Plante)

The Oilers should be a better team next season with Penner, and one of Larsson, Couturier, or Landeskog in the line up over EJ.
Hall is not the 2 way player Oshie is. Oshie was also on pace to outscore Hall this season before the broken ankle. Currently Oshie is the better all around player. Hall should be a better offensive player then Oshie most likely next season.

You honestly do not know much about the Blues players. Oshie should be a 65-75 point player with a great 2 way game. Hall most likely will be a PPG player.

Also Cole is a better prospect then Plante. Cole would be a top 4 defenseman on the Oilers right now. The Blues are just very deep defensively. Cola only gets the nod over Cole due to currently being a better offensive player. Cole at worst is a #3 shut down defenseman that puts up 15-20 points. at best a good #2 shutdown that puts up around 30-35 points.


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01-16-2011, 03:09 AM
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Wow St. Louis fans overrrate their players more then any other team I've seen.
Hall is and always will be better than Oshie
Penner is worth a lot more than Cole(average prospect comparable to Alex Plante)

The Oilers should be a better team next season with Penner, and one of Larsson, Couturier, or Landeskog in the line up over EJ.
Way to follow the context of that post.

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01-16-2011, 04:06 AM
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Wow St. Louis fans overrrate their players more then any other team I've seen.
Hall is and always will be better than Oshie
Penner is worth a lot more than Cole(average prospect comparable to Alex Plante)

The Oilers should be a better team next season with Penner, and one of Larsson, Couturier, or Landeskog in the line up over EJ.
T.J. Oshie is far more valuable to St. Louis than he would be to any other team. Oshie is by far the most liked player on the team by the fans. For the Blues to trade Oshie to the Oilers(or any other team) and not have their fans want everyone associated with the team fired, they would need severe overpayment. They would need a superstar or potential superstar. The only player the Oilers have that fit that description is Taylor Hall. Edmonton would be crazy to make that trade so this deal will ever happen. Oshie's value is more than a hockey player to the Blues organization. He is a likeable, energetic personality that is highly marketable to the St. Louis fanbase. Different teams put different values on certain players and certain types of players.

As to the original proposal, I don't do it from a Blues perspective because to me it is a quality for quantity deal. To me Erik Johnson has more upside and is more developed than any player in the upcoming draft. He may never reach that potential and a few players form the '11 draft may turn out to be better players than him, but I will take my chances and keep the player who I believe has the highest potential. Penner is a solid top six forward, that potential top 3 pick could has the potential to be a top line player or top pairing d-man, but I will take the player who has the potential to be a top three d-man in the league.


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01-16-2011, 05:22 AM
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Blues have only won 1 game this month, Halak with a .96 save percentage being the the factor and difference maker in a Blues win, last game. I expect the Blue's to win 2 out of their next 6 in January(due to injuries), I believe the playoffs again this year would be very valuable to the Blues organization as it is fairly young.
so now it's 2 of their next 5 I wouldn't be surprised if it was less than 2 wins.

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01-16-2011, 10:29 AM
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so now it's 2 of their next 5 I wouldn't be surprised if it was less than 2 wins.
Really Oilers fan?
Have fun with another bottom pick, we'll enjoy the playoffs.

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01-16-2011, 10:44 AM
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Really Oilers fan?
Have fun with another bottom pick, we'll enjoy the playoffs.
Why? Have they expanded the playoff format?

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01-16-2011, 11:29 AM
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Why? Have they expanded the playoff format?
Nah, but the Blues have the clubhouse at the golf course installed with Center Ice and a nice 50" DLP TV to watch them on. Its really very enjoyable.

Not having to worry about the team winning the draft lottery is a HUGE monkey of their collective backs so they will be able to prop up their feet and enjoy the playoffs.


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Nah, but the Blues have the clubhouse at the golf course installed with Center Ice and a nice 50" DLP TV to watch them on. Its really very enjoyable.

Not having to worry about the team winning the draft lottery is a HUGE monkey of their collective backs so they will be able to prop up their feet and enjoy the playoffs.

Touche. At least they have the option of watching or actually shooting a round. Mid April in E-Town there's usually still traces of snow on the course. If the Oilers are at the course, its only to watch TV

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01-16-2011, 11:40 AM
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I like that Runblad-Tarasenko trade, what would it take from edmonton to aquire Cole or Polak, or both of them?
If you want to use that trade as a benchmark, then MPS for Cole straight up.

I don't think Polak is going anywhere any time soon.

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01-16-2011, 11:45 AM
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Cole (average prospect comparable to Alex Plante)


...and if Cole was Canadian instead of American, he'd be the next Scott Stevens to chauvinists like you.

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Hall is not the 2 way player Oshie is. Oshie was also on pace to outscore Hall this season before the broken ankle. Currently Oshie is the better all around player. Hall should be a better offensive player then Oshie most likely next season.

You honestly do not know much about the Blues players. Oshie should be a 65-75 point player with a great 2 way game. Hall most likely will be a PPG player.

Also Cole is a better prospect then Plante. Cole would be a top 4 defenseman on the Oilers right now. The Blues are just very deep defensively. Cola only gets the nod over Cole due to currently being a better offensive player. Cole at worst is a #3 shut down defenseman that puts up 15-20 points. at best a good #2 shutdown that puts up around 30-35 points.
Everything TJ Oshie can do. Hall can do better. Much better.

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01-16-2011, 12:22 PM
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...and if Cole was Canadian instead of American, he'd be the next Scott Stevens to chauvinists like you.
Yep.

OR

Maybe they're comparable because they were taken in the same draft, 3 spots apart, and have both proven very little in limited NHL time, but have played well in the AHL.

Plante is an average prospect from a weak draft. So is Cole.

Your suggestion of MPS for Cole is what's laughable.

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01-16-2011, 01:37 PM
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Yep.

OR

Maybe they're comparable because they were taken in the same draft, 3 spots apart, and have both proven very little in limited NHL time, but have played well in the AHL.

Plante is an average prospect from a weak draft. So is Cole.

Your suggestion of MPS for Cole is what's laughable.
This. I don't much stock in Plante even though he is an Oilers prospect, and he's Canadian. I believe someone else is showing reverse chauvinism. Both of them will be lucky to be 2nd pairing defenseman but most likely physical 3rd pairing, seeing some PK time(12-14 min per game).

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This. I don't much stock in Plante even though he is an Oilers prospect, and he's Canadian. I believe someone else is showing reverse chauvinism. Both of them will be lucky to be 2nd pairing defenseman but most likely physical 3rd pairing, seeing some PK time(12-14 min per game).
I completely disagree with this assessment. Cole has 2nd pairing caliber play with PK and PP time (18-20min per game).

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Yep.

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Maybe they're comparable because they were taken in the same draft, 3 spots apart, and have both proven very little in limited NHL time, but have played well in the AHL.

Plante is an average prospect from a weak draft. So is Cole.

Your suggestion of MPS for Cole is what's laughable.
I disagree here as well. Cole is above average and draft rating means less and less as we move farther away from their draft year.

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OK. This is the 3rd thread about Penner to StL in the past week. And the same thing happens in all of them. The Blues fans do not want Penner, especially for the price Oiler fans are asking for. And for some reason it turns into a pissing match.

Don't take this the wrong way, but drop the whole dam Penner to StL idea. A)we do not want to pay the price that is being required by Oiler fans. B) In Blues fan minds Penner is not what they are looking for to trade one of our good young players for. So Oiler fans need to go bug LA or some other team about trading for Penner. Because there is only so many ways to tell you NO!!

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Everything TJ Oshie can do. Hall can do better. Much better.
The only thing Hall can do much better right now than a healthy Oshie is score goals. Oshie is a more complete player right now than Hall is. Hall will no doubt be more a more dynamic player in the future, but right now Hall is not a better player than Oshie. To say Hall is MUCH better at everything is laughable.

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The only thing Hall can do much better right now than a healthy Oshie is score goals. Oshie is a more complete player right now than Hall is. Hall will no doubt be more a more dynamic player in the future, but right now Hall is not a better player than Oshie. To say Hall is MUCH better at everything is laughable.
He's much better at not being sandwiched under Sami Pahlsson and breaking his ankle on accident, that's about where it ends.

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It looks like Penner for Cole is the place to start. It is just a matter if StL has to add anything.

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Everything TJ Oshie can do. Hall can do better. Much better.


Let's see Hall do this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEOMc...eature=related

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Let's stay on topic please, getting this petty makes things pretty ridiculous.

This isn't Hall vs. Oshie.

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Let's stay on topic please, getting this petty makes things pretty ridiculous.

This isn't Hall vs. Oshie.
No, it's just another crappy propasal thread that a Oiler fan came up with.

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Larson will be better than Johnson so why?

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