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01-17-2011, 02:46 AM
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Here's some players Buffalo might be interested in:

Mike Fisher
Jared Cowen
Bobby Butler
Roman Wick
Louie Caporusso
Nick Foligno

Buffalo and Ottawa don't make good trading partners, since both are kinda weak at the forward position (even for prospects).
you can have all of those players for ryan miller if you want.

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Vanek on the Habs would be great. What would it take ?

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01-17-2011, 04:53 AM
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New ownership should be in place by the deadline, so shoot away... You want Roy, Vanek, Stafford... dare I say Miller? For the right price any could likely be had.
They aren't going to gut the team.

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01-17-2011, 04:55 AM
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If Derek Roy is available, Leafs are very interested.
With the torn Quad? I don't think anyone will trade for him till he's played again.

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01-17-2011, 04:57 AM
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TO BUF:
Ryder
Ference

TO BOS:
Leopold
Stafford



Leopold is a - player on a team that needs better defense.
Ference is a +18 and fairly reliable in all situations.

Ryder is a proven 20-30 goal scorer.
Stafford will produce a little less than Ryder but from the Bruins standpoint they aren't paying $4M for 25 goals, they're paying $2M for 20 and Stafford always seems to be a thorn in their side.
That's a double loss for Buffalo.

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01-17-2011, 04:58 AM
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Kadri+Caputi+2012 first

Vanek+Roy

You'd have to add to that for Vanek alone.

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01-17-2011, 05:03 AM
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TO BUF:
Ryder
Ference

TO BOS:
Leopold
Stafford



Leopold is a - player on a team that needs better defense.
Ference is a +18 and fairly reliable in all situations.

Ryder is a proven 20-30 goal scorer.
Stafford will produce a little less than Ryder but from the Bruins standpoint they aren't paying $4M for 25 goals, they're paying $2M for 20 and Stafford always seems to be a thorn in their side.
I would have agreed with you last season on your comments regarding Stafford...but this season he is finally looking like the top 6 player we always hoped he would be. He's gonna cost more than that. Not saying he couldn't be had.

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01-17-2011, 05:19 AM
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You'd have to add to that for Vanek alone.
How about Kadri+Mikus for Stafford and Kassian.

Kassian/Stafford-Richards-Kessel
Kulemin-Grabo-Stafford/MacArthur
Versteeg-Bozak-Armstrong
Orr-Brent-Brown

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01-17-2011, 05:36 AM
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Eh, it's not bad value for Stafford, but the Sabres are rife with decent defensemen. (Unless Oduya's better than I thought, of course)



I'm sure the Bruins have no need for a scoring winger.
It would be great to get Vanek, I just don't see a way to get it done that would work considering how much $ Vanek makes. It has more to do with the salary cap as far as a trade with the bruins would be concerned.

I could propose this

Ryder
Savard
Boston's 1st

for

Vanek
Stafford or even Grier

The problem is having matching salaries going back to Buffalo and this is the best I could do.

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01-17-2011, 08:26 AM
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Eh, it's not bad value for Stafford, but the Sabres are rife with decent defensemen. (Unless Oduya's better than I thought, of course)



I'm sure the Bruins have no need for a scoring winger.
Don't listen to that guy. There are plenty of players Boston could use. What would you want for a guy like Leopold?

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01-17-2011, 08:32 AM
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Pens should be interested in Stafford.

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01-17-2011, 08:49 AM
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TO BUF:
Ryder
Ference

TO BOS:
Leopold
Stafford



Leopold is a - player on a team that needs better defense.
Ference is a +18 and fairly reliable in all situations.

Ryder is a proven 20-30 goal scorer.
Stafford will produce a little less than Ryder but from the Bruins standpoint they aren't paying $4M for 25 goals, they're paying $2M for 20 and Stafford always seems to be a thorn in their side.


Wow, that is really craptastic. Seriously.

Stafford- a 25 year old F who will be an RFA at the end of the season and who has 15 goals and makes $1.9m for a $4m Ryder who is a UFA at the end of the season and who has 13 goals.

Why in the world would Buffalo make that deal?

Ference v. Leopold? Leopold is clearly better or else you wouldn't want him on Boston.

So you are asking for a better Dman and a better, younger, cheaper, contract controlled F for a worse Dman and an older, worse, more expensive UFA F.

Buffalo counters with Grier and Montador for Boychuk and Horton.

Fair deal?

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01-17-2011, 08:51 AM
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It would be great to get Vanek, I just don't see a way to get it done that would work considering how much $ Vanek makes. It has more to do with the salary cap as far as a trade with the bruins would be concerned.

I could propose this

Ryder
Savard
Boston's 1st

for

Vanek
Stafford or even Grier

The problem is having matching salaries going back to Buffalo and this is the best I could do.
Change Boston's 1 to Torontos and I still don't see Buffalo doing it. Why are they trading a good young player like Vanek for an older, hurt Savard?

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01-17-2011, 08:53 AM
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How about Kadri+Mikus for Stafford and Kassian.

Kassian/Stafford-Richards-Kessel
Kulemin-Grabo-Stafford/MacArthur
Versteeg-Bozak-Armstrong
Orr-Brent-Brown
How about no?

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See the first post from the old thread back in December --

It's highly unlikely the Sabres will be dealing younger talent or ANY prospect at this point in time. They have a number of available UFA-to-be types to plug in to any of a variety of teams (Montador and Connolly leading that parade), a few veteran pieces (Hecht, Morrisonn) with under 2 years remaining on their deals, and then some pricey contracts that probably garner no interest in the regular season (Pominville, probably Vanek for most teams).

Stafford is a unique case -- he's 25, shown since camp a determination to work hard and do what is needed but he's been injured a few times this year. Injury keeping him out of the lineup is about the only thing surpressing his production -- he's one of the only players on the team who can generate goals individually and has done so at clutch times too. Someone looking at him, it's going to have to be an asset for asset deal where both sides are giving up something.

The Leafs and Sabres make lousy trading partners, nearly as bad as the Sens (even though Mike Fisher on the Sabres as a 2/3 option in the middle is damned tempting). All of them have shortages of quality players up front, particularly at center. All could be viewed as having NHL-calibre defense as their primary trade asset (Kaberle, Beauchemin/Phillips, Kuba, Lee, Campoli/Montador, Morrisonn, Rivet).

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01-17-2011, 09:11 AM
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If Washington does want a 2nd line center, how about Connolly for Perreault and Fehr?
When was the last time a rental gets traded for two roster players? Then factor in the rental is a creampuff made out of porcelain, has recently been a healthy scratch, and is struggling mightily this year.

The Sabres would be lucky to get a 2nd round DP for him - and unless a team wants to send back a bad contract - there's no chance he gets a significant roster player in return.

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01-17-2011, 09:20 AM
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When was the last time a rental gets traded for two roster players? Then factor in the rental is a creampuff made out of porcelain, has recently been a healthy scratch, and is struggling mightily this year.

The Sabres would be lucky to get a 2nd round DP for him - and unless a team wants to send back a bad contract - there's no chance he gets a significant roster player in return.
Connolly has not been a healthy scratch. While his list of injuries is impressive, he's not been held out when healthy. A 2nd and a mid-level prospect is probably what they'll want and with Arnott as the likely only other potential pivot in the same field available as of the deadline, it's not hard to imagine them getting that for him.

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Connolly has not been a healthy scratch. While his list of injuries is impressive, he's not been held out when healthy. A 2nd and a mid-level prospect is probably what they'll want and with Arnott as the likely only other potential pivot in the same field available as of the deadline, it's not hard to imagine them getting that for him.
I thought that TC got healthy scratched a couple of weeks ago. If that's not the case- my bad! I agree 100% on your evaluation of what he'll likely get back in a trade.

There are just some EPICALLY bad trade proposals in this thread. (And not just in favor of the Sabres either - some insane deals going the other way as well!)

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I thought that TC got healthy scratched a couple of weeks ago. If that's not the case- my bad! I agree 100% on your evaluation of what he'll likely get back in a trade.

There are just some EPICALLY bad trade proposals in this thread. (And not just in favor of the Sabres either - some insane deals going the other way as well!)
No, he had surgery on his broken nose after he got rammed into the dasher face-first in Florida and then was out due to that. If it was reported somewhere in a gametracker as a healthy scratch... it was not.

As for proposals, there are some that seem close, some not. With the sale of the team in the offing, I'm wondering what sort of play that leaves Regier. I would suspect he can operate as normal... but we won't know for sure until it happens. As it stands, they should be selling most of their moveable assets at this point. Four years of bleeding UFA's with no compensation returning has sorely depleted the roster in many areas. They need to jumpstart retooling.

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No, he had surgery on his broken nose after he got rammed into the dasher face-first in Florida and then was out due to that. If it was reported somewhere in a gametracker as a healthy scratch... it was not.

As for proposals, there are some that seem close, some not. With the sale of the team in the offing, I'm wondering what sort of play that leaves Regier. I would suspect he can operate as normal... but we won't know for sure until it happens. As it stands, they should be selling most of their moveable assets at this point. Four years of bleeding UFA's with no compensation returning has sorely depleted the roster in many areas. They need to jumpstart retooling.
Per the bolded above, you're saying the Sabres won't make any moves! ;o)

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01-17-2011, 11:08 AM
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Change Boston's 1 to Torontos and I still don't see Buffalo doing it. Why are they trading a good young player like Vanek for an older, hurt Savard?
That is pretty much exactly what I was getting at. I just don't see a way to make it work since the Sabres would have to take back the same amount of salary.

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Foligno and Winchester for Pominville.

You know you want to reunite the Foligno brothers

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Just terrible deals here all round - In my opinion:

Available for trade:
Butler (hard to judge value, probably used as a sweetener in a bigger deal if it happens)
Connolly (2nd round pick / similar level forward prospect)
Grier (low round pick)
Lalime (has no value however)
Montador (as per Connolly)
Niedermayer (as per Grier)
Rivet (as per Grier/Nieds)

Could be available BUT the Sabres would need either a top six C or a legit PPQB coming the other way somehow:

Pominville (contract is an issue here)
Stafford
Vanek (as Pominville)
Enroth
Brennan/Pysyk/McNabb etc.
Weber

Unlikely to move for various reasons:
Gaustad (contract, friends with Miller etc.) but could be had if the Sabres were getting somehting they needed
Hecht (contract, team will need at least SOME veteran presence next year)
Leopold (has had a solid year, team won't trade a recently signed UFA)
McCormick (has done well, is UFA but most Sabres fans want him resigned)
Morrisonn (recently signed UFA I don't see moving but of this bunch he would be most likely gone IMO)

Unlikely to move as they are seen as a big future of the team:
Adam (though not 'untouchable')
Ennis (as above)
Kaleta (the fact he is a fan favourite)
Miller
Myers
Roy
Sekera (but not 'untouchable')
Kassian

That is the current squad the way I see it - including the top prospects.

The only NE team I would see as even remotely ideal trade partners is Boston, becaues they have ridiculous depth at centre. Otherwise more likely to deal with western teams IMO.

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01-17-2011, 12:30 PM
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Would the Leafs have an interest in Tim Connolly?
Went over this in another thread.
consensus was that most Sabre fans would want our 2nd. Which is likely a no go; as it is our first pick.

Connolly would be nice to have as a rental. So Bozak can be tested on the 3rd line. than 2nd, 3rd, 4th lines can build more chemistry for next year and future.

Connolly is played with Kessel and unless he totally impresses; will walk at the end of the year.

If this is the scenario, we likely wont want to give up a heck of a lot. If there is better offers from teams out there, buffalo should go for it; i just hope Burke is thinking similarly

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