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01-16-2011, 02:01 PM
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Marlies 3 Heat 2 (SO)

This game is on CBC right now.

1-0 Heat right now. Goal from Rheault.

Armstrong on the PP makes it 2-0 Heat.


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01-16-2011, 02:41 PM
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Marlies tie it up with goals from Zigomanis and Mikus.

2-2 at the end of the 2nd.

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How do Irving, Brodie and Nemisz look?

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How do Irving, Brodie and Nemisz look?

Pretty good.

Nemisz missed in the shootout.

D'Amigo scores winner in shootout to give the Marlies a 3-2 win.

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Cunning was great out there, he could become a real pest. Which Calgary needs desperately

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Cunning was great out there, he could become a real pest. Which Calgary needs desperately
For a farm system that is almost exclusively grinders, I'm astonished we don't see more of these kids up here in that capacity...

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How do Irving, Brodie and Nemisz look?
Irving was really good in the shootout, made some big saves late shorthanded.

Brodie looks really composed; the entire Heat powerplay unit looked very together and showed a good ability to retrieve pucks and move it around. Still don't shoot much.

Nemisz looks like a guy who's in his first pro season, but I was pleasantly surprised. Looks like Playfair gives him an awful lot of responsibility offensively, which is nice to see. The less we turn our offensive prospects into pluggers, the better; we draft enough 3rd line-talent as it is.

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For a farm system that is almost exclusively grinders, I'm astonished we don't see more of these kids up here in that capacity...
That's because the big club is full of them as well....there is standard even for grinder, you have to be the best to make it to the NHL...the minor leagues are full of them.

Also, this is where Sutter's draft philosophy is flawed. Why bother drafting and developing grinders, when you can get guys like Jackman and Kostsopolus for almost nothing and they are proven.

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Also, this is where Sutter's draft philosophy is flawed. Why bother drafting and developing grinders, when you can get guys like Jackman and Kostsopolus for almost nothing and they are proven.
This. Completely this.

You don't draft muckers. You sign them. Sutter never undrestood that. Character guys, sure. Put guys who project to play bottom lines... why waste a pick. There's tons of guys, of all ages, flaoting around who can play those positions.

At the draft, you select the best talent available at any position.

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This. Completely this.

You don't draft muckers. You sign them. Sutter never undrestood that. Character guys, sure. Put guys who project to play bottom lines... why waste a pick. There's tons of guys, of all ages, flaoting around who can play those positions.

At the draft, you select the best talent available at any position.
you do know that if nobody drafted muckers there wouldn't be any in the NHL right?... funny how people forget the fact that guys have to be drafted by someone...

maybe Sutter drafted too many plugs... but there is nothing wrong with picking a lower risk guy after the 3rd round of the draft

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you do know that if nobody drafted muckers there wouldn't be any in the NHL right?... funny how people forget the fact that guys have to be drafted by someone...

maybe Sutter drafted too many plugs... but there is nothing wrong with picking a lower risk guy after the 3rd round of the draft
You're missing the point.

GM's draft pluggers all the time. They are easily signable. Jackman, Meyers, Byron Ritchie-types... they are easy to find, and readily available.

When you draft a player, you need to draft the best player available and develop them. Like a said - nothing wrong with drafting a character guy, but if your goal is to populate the bottom line / reserve spots on a team for the future, that isn't necessarily the smartest strategy from a team developmental standpoint.

If there's no one else available, fine. But if you can go for a Zetterberg type - high-risk, high-reward in the lower rounds, go for it.

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That's because the big club is full of them as well....there is standard even for grinder, you have to be the best to make it to the NHL...the minor leagues are full of them.

Also, this is where Sutter's draft philosophy is flawed. Why bother drafting and developing grinders, when you can get guys like Jackman and Kostsopolus for almost nothing and they are proven.
Wait, what?? Only the best players make the NHL? Great insight, DFF for GM!

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You're missing the point.

GM's draft pluggers all the time. They are easily signable. Jackman, Meyers, Byron Ritchie-types... they are easy to find, and readily available.

When you draft a player, you need to draft the best player available and develop them. Like a said - nothing wrong with drafting a character guy, but if your goal is to populate the bottom line / reserve spots on a team for the future, that isn't necessarily the smartest strategy from a team developmental standpoint.

If there's no one else available, fine. But if you can go for a Zetterberg type - high-risk, high-reward in the lower rounds, go for it.
so what you are saying is at the draft if you have the choice between drafting Rico Fata & Manny Malhotra you would take Fata because he has a higher skill level?

when determining who to draft you have to consider what the odds are of them actually reaching their potential

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so what you are saying is at the draft if you have the choice between drafting Rico Fata & Manny Malhotra you would take Fata because he has a higher skill level?

when determining who to draft you have to consider what the odds are of them actually reaching their potential
Yup. You take the BEST AVAILABLE PLAYER.... you can sign Jackmans as UFA's... they are a dime a dozen. Skilled top liners and top pairind D men are not a dime a dozen.... ergo go after the best players.

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Yup. You take the BEST AVAILABLE PLAYER.... you can sign Jackmans as UFA's... they are a dime a dozen. Skilled top liners and top pairind D men are not a dime a dozen.... ergo go after the best players.
taking skilled players 1st leads to horrible draft choices like picking Rico Fata over Robyn Regehr...

I'm not saying take the plugs first... i'm saying you have to weigh the odds... like taking Eric Nystrom over Jesse Niinimaki... skill isn't everything... you have to look at the whole package... sometimes the better choice is the guy without the higher skill level... had Dallas chose the more skilled player in 1995 we would have gotten Petr Sykora for Nieuwendyk instead of Iginla... I bet the Panther wish they had gone the less skilled route in that draft when they picked Dvorak 1 spot ahead of Iginla

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taking skilled players 1st leads to horrible draft choices like picking Rico Fata over Robyn Regehr...

I'm not saying take the plugs first... i'm saying you have to weigh the odds... like taking Eric Nystrom over Jesse Niinimaki... skill isn't everything... you have to look at the whole package... sometimes the better choice is the guy without the higher skill level... had Dallas chose the more skilled player in 1995 we would have gotten Petr Sykora for Nieuwendyk instead of Iginla... I bet the Panther wish they had gone the less skilled route in that draft when they picked Dvorak 1 spot ahead of Iginla
And I am pretty sure NYR would rather have a skililed guy like Zach Parise over a big guy like Hugh Jessiman.

Not sure what your point is, Iginla wasn't just a grinder, any good scout would have known that. Dont use stupid example to make your point.

Of couse you have to weigh the odds, the point is dont waste a lot of your picks on guys that you know at best is a 3rd/4th liner.

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