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01-17-2011, 01:28 AM
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Value Of Our Pending UFA's

I posted this in a thread in the Trade Rumours section......any thoughts? Am I pretty close with most of these approximate values and descriptions?

Only ones I didn't include are Karlsson and Conroy.


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Alex Tanguay - LW
Age: 31
On Pace for: 82GP - 18G - 40A - 58P
Cap Hit at Deadline: $374,731
Clauses: NTC
Description: Speedy playmaking winger, good in shoot-out, can score goals as well. Good on the PP, and also kills some penalties.
Approximate Value: Mid to Late 2nd Rounder + Mid Range Propsect

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Brendan Morrison - C/RW/LW
Age: 35
On Pace for: 82GP - 9G - 29A - 38P
Cap Hit at Deadline: $159,812
Clauses: None
Description: Plays all three forward positions, and has also played on all four lines this year. Good speed, has been excellent at killing penalties, and has also played the PP. Also solid in the face-off circle. Jack of all trades, master of none, I guess.
Approximate Value: Mid to late 2nd or 3rd Round Pick or Mid Range Prospect

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Curtis Glencross - RW/LW
Age: 28
On Pace for: 79GP - 18G - 13A - 31P
Cap Hit at Deadline: $264,516
Clauses: None
Description: Speedy, physical winger who plays with an edge. Excellent penalty killer and consistant 15 or so goal scorer.
Approximate Value: Mid to late 2nd Rounder or Mid Range Prospect

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Anton Babchuk - D
Age: 26
On Pace For: 82GP - 10G - 27A - 37P
Cap Hit At Deadline: $308,602
Clauses: None
Description: Big body, but not overly physical. Huge shot on from the point, great for the powerplay. Doesn't log a lot of minutes, and has mediocre skating abilities, but moves the puck very well. Quality 5/6 defenseman and PP specialist.
Approximate Value: Mid to late 2nd Rounder

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Adam Pardy - D
Age: 27
On Pace For: 57GP - 0G - 8A - 8P
Cap Hit At Deadline: $154,301
Clauses: None
Description: Good size, average mobility. Capable of moving the puck up the ice, but can be prone to mental lapses and/or bad positioning. Good depth defenseman, and has shown in the past that he can log decent minutes at times.
Approximate Value: Mid to late 3rd or 4th Round Pick

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Steve Staios - D
Age: 37
On Pace For: 52GP - 3G - 3A - 6P
Cap Hit At Deadline: $595,161
Clauses: None
Description: Veteran, physical, depth defenseman with leadership qualities. Is capable of logging minutes when necessary, but is prone to bad penalties at times.
Approximate Value: Mid to Late 3rd or 4th Round Pick

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I think those are very good values.

I particularly think that Tanguay and Glencross have great value with expiring contracts.

Both are cheap, so all teams can afford them. Tanguay's value is obvious. Glencross can kill penalties, and he can score without getting premium ice time or PP time.

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Think Tanguay would not bd freaked to be moved at the deadline then re-signed (although with a NTC)

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01-17-2011, 12:02 PM
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instead of a long post saying everything i will sum it up briefly... I would also like to add "late 2nd" doesn't work since a large portion of the draft order is decided by the playoffs and I think it's assumed non-playoff teams won't be buying pending UFAs...

I will only include their values as draft picks

Tanguay - 1st rounder (if Dominic Moore and Hal Gill can land 2nd rounders then Tanguay can land a 1st)
Glencross - 2nd rounder
Morrison - 3rd rounder
Staios - 5th rounder
Babchuk - 2nd rounder (maybe more with how strong he has been offensively lately)
Pardy - 4th rounder
Karlsson - Nothing (no market for 1st year pro backups)

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01-17-2011, 12:26 PM
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Tanguay - 1st rounder (if Dominic Moore and Hal Gill can land 2nd rounders then Tanguay can land a 1st)
I agree, I just can't for the life of me remember a rental landing a 1st round pick straight up.......

That's why I suggested a 2nd + a decent prospect.


EDIT: I guess Kovalchuk, Smyth and Weight had 1st rounders included in the package return, and were technically pending UFA's....

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players in trades involving 1st round picks in the last 5 drafts... I am leaving out deals used to move up or down in the draft...

2010 - Kessel, Jokinen, Horton, Rundblad, Kovalchuk, Byfuglien, Ballard, Pronger

I believe Kovalchuk was the only pending UFA of that bunch...
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2009 - Pronger, Boyle, Meszaros, Campoli/Comrie

Comrie was the only UFA in that bunch... strangely every one of those deals except Pronger involved the same 1st round draft choice
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2008 - Penner (RFA Compensation), Adam Foote, RJ Umberger, Pronger, Tanguay, Campbell, Eminger (yes really ), Norstrom, Hossa

Norstrom and Hossa were pending UFAs... I believe Foote was a pending UFA too (not 100% sure)... and Umberger was a RFA
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2007 - Toskala (yes really ), Smyth, O'Brien (yes really ), Nagy, Rivet, Forsberg, Timonen/Hartnell, Tkachuk, Korolyuk/Fahey (to dump Malakhov's cap hit), Guerin, Zubrus, Pronger

Smyth, Nagy, Rivet, Forsberg, Tkachuk, Guerin & Zubrus were all pending UFAs... Hartnell/Timonen were technically UFAs but had already agreed to contracts... I don't remember Toskala's status (RFA maybe?)
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2006 - Roloson, Demitra, Witt, Weight

Roli, Witt & Weight were all pending UFAs and I'm not sure on Demitra, but I think he was too

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No way a team is giving up a first round pick for Tanguay.

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No way a team is giving up a first round pick for Tanguay.
I would not be so sure. He is having a solid year, is not over the hill and is dirt cheap and a pending UFA, a perfect storm really...

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I would hope Feaster makes it a priority to get the Flames 2nd round pick back from the Blackhawks.

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I would hope Feaster makes it a priority to get the Flames 2nd round pick back from the Blackhawks.
When Toronto wanted to get thier second round pick back from Chicago (so they would have some leverage in RFA proceedings with Kessel), it cost then a 2nd and a 3rd.

Calgary might have to give up quite a bit to get that exact pick back. Unless Chicago wants something from Calgary like Tanguay or Babchuck. Which is conceivable.

But Calgary is not going to be playing any RFA games, they have cap problems of their own.

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No way a team is giving up a first round pick for Tanguay.

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Anything else you want to add? ...or are you just gonna pop in here every half hour or so and type the exact same statement?

We got it, you don't think any GM is going to give up a 1st round pick for Tanguay.

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Anything else you want to add? ...or are you just gonna pop in here every half hour or so and type the exact same statement?

We got it, you don't think any GM is going to give up a 1st round pick for Tanguay.
You are setting the bar too high

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But Calgary is not going to be playing any RFA games, they have cap problems of their own.
Wasn't even thinking about an offer sheet. I was just thinking that because the Flames will likely finish in the bottom ten, getting our 2nd round pick would be better then just any 2nd round pick. And it's possible since Chicago is still competing for the playoffs and would likely be a buyer at the deadline. I could see Glencross or Tanguay being used as bait.

Besides, the Flames don't have their 3rd round pick either.

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No way a team is giving up a first round pick for Tanguay.
if Meszaros, Campoli/Comrie, Eminger, Nagy and Rivet can land a 1st in return so can Tanguay... history shows that especially in weaker drafts 1st round picks get moved around alot

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Keep dreaming. Some of these values are wishful thinking... Especially Tanguay getting a 1st.

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Keep dreaming. Some of these values are wishful thinking... Especially Tanguay getting a 1st.
really? and why is that exactly? is it the historical precident set since the lockout? no already proved lesser players have gotten 1sts in return... is it his ultra high cap hit? not again not the case... is it his struggles this season? again not the case... is it a lack of playoff experience? his cup ring and key playoff performances say otherwise

Alex Tanguay is in a unique situation... he is tied for 56th in scoring among forwards... there are 5 players with more points that are set to be UFAs this summer... of those players their salaries are 7.8 million (Brad Richards), 4.5 million (Teemu Selanne), 3.5 million (Justin Williams), 6.0 million (Alexander Semin) and 0.8 million (Ville Leino)...

when you consider each of those players is currently on a playoff team or a team within a couple points of the playoffs (Williams)...

Tanguay will be the 1st or 2nd most sought after available forward at the deadline... and with his playoffs success, cheap contract and production this year... Tanguay if available will be sought after by many teams

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I think the Flames could definitely potentially ship off Babchuk to Chicago with a late round pick to get us back our 2nd.

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In the off season I would value these players at these salary's:

Tanguay - 3M on a longer term deal.
Pardy - up to 1M depending on his play
Babchuk - 2M tops... more depending on the market
Staios - he would be lucky to even get a contract
Glenncross - up to 1.5M on a multi year deal, probably not with the Flames.
Morrisson - he will also be lucky to find a contract imo

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In the off season I would value these players at these salary's:

Tanguay - 3M on a longer term deal.
Pardy - up to 1M depending on his play
Babchuk - 2M tops... more depending on the market
Staios - he would be lucky to even get a contract
Glenncross - up to 1.5M on a multi year deal, probably not with the Flames.
Morrisson - he will also be lucky to find a contract imo
I would think 2 million to possibly 2.5

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I would think 2 million to possibly 2.5
i think he will ask 3+... with guys like Matt Cullen and Dainius Zubrus getting in the 3.5 range I can't see Glencross not asking in that range

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i think he will ask 3+... with guys like Matt Cullen and Dainius Zubrus getting in the 3.5 range I can't see Glencross not asking in that range
Agreed, but personally I would not pay him a dime over 2.5.

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