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01-19-2011, 11:05 AM
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James Neal would be an Ideal fit in Philly in my opinion. What would it take to get him there? We all know that Dallas cannot afford to take on any big salaries so I was thinking Zherdev and Bartulis for Neal...Thoughts?

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James Neal would be an Ideal fit in Philly in my opinion. What would it take to get him there? We all know that Dallas cannot afford to take on any big salaries so I was thinking Zherdev and Bartulis for Neal...Thoughts?
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01-19-2011, 11:09 AM
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Dallas will not be able to afford the salaries going into next year. How is the dyk(Joe that is) going to be able to keep all these players if he continues to be on such a tight budget?

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James Neal would be an Ideal fit in Philly in my opinion. What would it take to get him there? We all know that Dallas cannot afford to take on any big salaries so I was thinking Zherdev and Bartulis for Neal...Thoughts?
a defensemen who is barely 7th D in philly.. and Zherdev a UFA at seasons end who isn't exactly lighting it up to any standards for an up and coming star ? You're joking right? more like Van Riemsdyk+ and even then he's pretty much not available from a Stars POV from my opinion.

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01-19-2011, 11:16 AM
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a defensemen who is barely 7th D in philly.. and Zherdev a UFA at seasons end who isn't exactly lighting it up to any standards for an up and coming star ? You're joking right? more like Van Riemsdyk+ and even then he's pretty much not available from a Stars POV from my opinion.
A 7th D in Philly is not a 7th D in Dallas. Let's not kid ourselves.

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01-19-2011, 11:28 AM
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lol, lets not kid ourselves here. Philly will need to throw in their 7th round pick to make it fair.

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Somehow I magically had this feeling before I ever clicked on the thread this was going to be a doozy, and it didn't disappoint.

And Neal's salary is one of the more attractive contracts at the moment, a 1st line LW powerforward for $2.8 million. So if the Stars are so desperate to unload money they aren't going to move good contracts for more crappy defenseman.

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01-19-2011, 11:34 AM
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A 7th D in Philly is not a 7th D in Dallas. Let's not kid ourselves.
Considering Dallas is 7th overall in GAA and Philly is 10th i don't see your point.

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The Stars and the Flyers are both doing very well in their respective conferences,
why mess with a good thing? This doesn't make sense.

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OP, don't try to justify this proposal, it is terrible. Even if the Stars had to move Neal because of budget concerns, they would be able to get WAY more then this for him. This proposal is very bad and can only be made better by removing all players involved, and replacing them with other people all together.

Dallas needs defense so any deal would require Coburn + or Carle +, and even then I'm not sure Dallas would consider those.

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Dumb for Dallas, and the Flyers don't need Neal.

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A 7th D in Philly is not a 7th D in Dallas. Let's not kid ourselves.
You're right.. he'd probably be in the AHL.

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Dumb for Dallas, and the Flyers don't need Neal.
They don't but if that really was the price then they'd definitely take him.

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01-19-2011, 11:45 AM
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Nope, not enough.

If Neal were moved, I'd want JVR+.

Maybe Neal and one of our lesser D for JVR and an upgrade.

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They don't but if that really was the price then they'd definitely take him.
This about sums up the thread.

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Nope, not enough.

If Neal were moved, I'd want JVR+.

Maybe Neal and one of our lesser D for JVR and an upgrade.
Neal makes too much to take back JVR as the centerpiece. Flyers need his cheap cap hit. JVR is also playing really well right now and Flyers fans are hopeful that he's turning the corner on his sophomore slump. I'm inclined to keep him and see what he can do next year.

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This may very well be the worst trade proposal ever!

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^Hi, welcome to the Trade board!

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This may very well be the worst trade proposal ever!
You need to check out 95% of Leafs proposals, compared to those this one is no were near as bad.

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You need to check out 95% of Leafs proposals, compared to those this one is no were near as bad.
idk im a bruins fan so id never rush to the defence of the leafs but that is pretty freakin brutal

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Look at this guy's 10 posts and then think about it. Stars never do this. But just asking, people saying they want JVR+ for Neal if the trade was getting done, is Neal really that much better than JVR? Honestly asking, I haven't watched any Stars this year.

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Considering Dallas is 7th overall in GAA and Philly is 10th i don't see your point.
Not defending the trade proposal, but Bartulis would probably make the Stars' top 6. If you think that the GAA between the two clubs is a true measure of how talented the defenses are, then you're missing quite a bit of the in between.

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OP, don't try to justify this proposal, it is terrible. Even if the Stars had to move Neal because of budget concerns, they would be able to get WAY more then this for him. This proposal is very bad and can only be made better by removing all players involved, and replacing them with other people all together.

Dallas needs defense so any deal would require Coburn + or Carle +, and even then I'm not sure Dallas would consider those.
Carle+ would like be available. Not sure about Coburn+.

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Nope, not enough.

If Neal were moved, I'd want JVR+.

Maybe Neal and one of our lesser D for JVR and an upgrade.
And if JVR were moved, I'd want Neal+.

But really, we have no reason to make such a deal at this time.

Our defensemen are playing just fine, JVR is severely underrated by HFboards, and the Flyers are in 1st place at the moment.

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Not defending the trade proposal, but Bartulis would probably make the Stars' top 6. If you think that the GAA between the two clubs is a true measure of how talented the defenses are, then you're missing quite a bit of the in between.



Carle+ would like be available. Not sure about Coburn+.



And if JVR were moved, I'd want Neal+.

But really, we have no reason to make such a deal at this time.

Our defensemen are playing just fine, JVR is severely underrated by HFboards, and the Flyers are in 1st place at the moment.
Who's underrating JVR?

Are you implying I am solely because I believe Neal is better? I think both players have bright futures in the NHL, but as of right now there really is no question that Neal has shown more.

I would agree, however, that Philly doesn't need to make this deal at all; they've got more depth than probably any other team in the league save for possibly Vancouver. As is the case with HF, though, I guess this is just one of those "what if" type deals, where both teams can walk away happy with what they got.

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It's quite evident that Neal has shown more at the NHL level then JVR has and I think it would definitely require JVR+ to acquire him.. not the other way around. Never have I seen JVR severely underrated.. seems more like his been overhyped by some. But don't get me wrong I think they are both primed for success in the careers but as of now I definitely give the advantage to Neal.

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Not defending the trade proposal, but Bartulis would probably make the Stars' top 6. If you think that the GAA between the two clubs is a true measure of how talented the defenses are, then you're missing quite a bit of the in between.
With Robidas, Daley, Skrastins, Grossman, Fistric and Woywitka please tell me where Bartulis would fit? We also have Niskanen and Larsen who has played well since his call up.


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And if JVR were moved, I'd want Neal+.
Were you the one who also said that JVR is currently/always will be superior to Benn a while back?

JVR has done nothing to warrant such a return if a trade were to happen that included him. Neal on the other hand has increased his scoring each year in the NHL as is on pace to increase it again. So to look for a Neal+ package for JVR is lunacy.

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Considering Dallas is 7th overall in GAA and Philly is 10th i don't see your point.
Ugh...that's nearly as bad as the opening proposal.

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