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Nabokov to Detroit (570K), Nabby on waivers, claimed by the Islanders

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01-20-2011, 12:16 PM
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whoever is the worst team in the league, Isles? should take him then trade him at the deadline

It's a no brainder and will happen if not by the Isles then someone else. he won't make it to a contender but will get traded to one in a month or so anyways
I agree This makes total sense for Isles or another lower bowl team

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01-20-2011, 12:16 PM
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35+ contracts have to be multi-year contracts to have any performance bonuses. I don't think Detroit is willing to take that risk.
Why wouldn't they sign him for 2 years? All Wings goalies are UFA's July 1st

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35+ contracts have to be multi-year contracts to have any performance bonuses. I don't think Detroit is willing to take that risk.
Incorrect. See Doug Weight.

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35+ contracts have to be multi-year contracts to have any performance bonuses. I don't think Detroit is willing to take that risk.
It's the other way around. Multi-year deals can't have performance bonuses, only one-year deals.

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35+ contracts have to be multi-year contracts to have any performance bonuses. I don't think Detroit is willing to take that risk.
Wings need a back up next year. You put a 2nd year on that contract, and things get scary for teams not willing to make a commitment.

You give him the same salary Osgood had, and Detroit is in no worse position.

Nabakov's only card here is, if he doesn't like the team who claims him, and he has a 2nd year deal. He threatens to retire. Thus putting the team on the hook for both years.

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He wouldn't be a 35+ player. The CBA goes by the player's age as of the June 30th immediately preceding the season that the contract is for. Nabokov was 34 on June 30th, 2010.
Does this a apply to players who don't have a contract? I wonder if this applies given he didn't have a contract at that date. He now is over 35.

Would love to see what happens.

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01-20-2011, 12:21 PM
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Won't clear waivers, but hey, it's something.

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01-20-2011, 12:22 PM
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Won't clear waivers, but hey, it's something.
Still wondering where this came from. Detroit isn't hurting for back-up goaltenders..

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lol, discussions of a NMC/NTC and a 2 year deal apparently.

So you take him, you are stuck with him for 2 years.

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01-20-2011, 12:24 PM
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So how do waivers work? If someone is put on re-entry waivers or waivers in general whos gets to claim him first? Is it whoever makes the first call kind of thing?

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That has to be exactly it. Maybe like 2 million/year for 2 years?
But what's the incentive for Nabby to sign a 2-year deal @ $2m per? Why not just sign a 1-yr deal and wait for UFA period next offseason?

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Even if they max out the salary they could pay him with the LTIR space given to them (which is 3.5M~) I do not see how he clears waivers.

There are both to many teams that are contending in both conferences that could use goal tending help and have room or are trying to tooth and claw their way to salary floor. Much less of the later, but giving themselves a 500K-800K cushion they could pay him 2.7M-3M maxed out from their current salary.
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Actually, with the LTIR-possibilities, the Wings can sign him for like 6-7 millions if they want, thus scaring off virtually all teams that might be interested to have him. (Flyers, Caps, Sharks, Hawks that have been mentioned here, for instance).

Maybe the Avs, though? Tons of capspace, and mess with the Wings? Not that Andy didn't play lights out last years playoffs, though.
But then what do the Wings do with the players on LTIR? They'd have to clear space at some point, right?

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Wings need a back up next year. You put a 2nd year on that contract, and things get scary for teams not willing to make a commitment.

You give him the same salary Osgood had, and Detroit is in no worse position.

Nabakov's only card here is, if he doesn't like the team who claims him, and he has a 2nd year deal. He threatens to retire. Thus putting the team on the hook for both years.

Does this a apply to players who don't have a contract? I wonder if this applies given he didn't have a contract at that date. He now is over 35.

Would love to see what happens.
Same as above - what's the incentive for Nabby to sign a 2-yr deal at a low cap hit?

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So how do waivers work? If someone is put on re-entry waivers or waivers in general whos gets to claim him first? Is it whoever makes the first call kind of thing?
Priority is based on the standings at the time of the waiver claim

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Still wondering where this came from. Detroit isn't hurting for back-up goaltenders..
My assumption is Osgood is out for the season and they want someone who can pressure Howard and pick up the slack if Howard falls off the map.

MacDonald has been admirable, but isn't someone I want to share consistent time with Howard.

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lol, discussions of a NMC/NTC and a 2 year deal apparently.

So you take him, you are stuck with him for 2 years.
perfect move by Holland to insure that he clears waivers

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Same as above - what's the incentive for Nabby to sign a 2-yr deal at a low cap hit?
Gets to a team he wants to be on, guarantees him an NHL Roster spot for 2 years. Guarantees him a paycheck for 2 years.

Im not saying Detroit is the team he wants to be on. But the threat of retiring and sticking a team with cap space for 2 years will scare away teams.

he got like what 4 mil from the KHL, didn't like it there, got bought out/released and is trying to get back into the NHL. Me thinks money isn't a big deal right now.

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Still wondering where this came from. Detroit isn't hurting for back-up goaltenders..
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=350270

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Actually, with the LTIR-possibilities, the Wings can sign him for like 6-7 millions if they want, thus scaring off virtually all teams that might be interested to have him. (Flyers, Caps, Sharks, Hawks that have been mentioned here, for instance).
Datsyuk, Cleary, Osgood and Stuart are all on LTIR, w/o counting Osgood, the former 2 will be back after the break. So thats 3 players they have to activate, Tatar and Mursak get sent down to make room.

They would have to move Hudler in order to give him 6~ mill and I still don't think they would be under the cap

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But what's the incentive for Nabby to sign a 2-year deal @ $2m per? Why not just sign a 1-yr deal and wait for UFA period next offseason?
To get a chance to play on one of the best teams in the league and have a chance to win Stanley Cup during the next two years. He also saw what the UFA market for him was last summer so he knows what to expect next summer when his value is even lower (not playing in a year and with teams like Chicago and Philadelphia having found themselves a new young goalies etc).

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But what's the incentive for Nabby to sign a 2-year deal @ $2m per? Why not just sign a 1-yr deal and wait for UFA period next offseason?
He left a multimillion dollar deal in Russia to return to the NHL. My guess is he's after hardware here, not cash.

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nabby needs incentive to sign a 2 yr deal with the one of the best teams inthe league?

he has a chance to win a cup, which he does not have yet! that is his incentive, and he gets back in NA and the NHL!

nobody will sign him to big time money as ufa...

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But what's the incentive for Nabby to sign a 2-year deal @ $2m per? Why not just sign a 1-yr deal and wait for UFA period next offseason?





But then what do the Wings do with the players on LTIR? They'd have to clear space at some point, right?



Same as above - what's the incentive for Nabby to sign a 2-yr deal at a low cap hit?
yeah the UFA thing last year sure worked out for him nicely

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perfect move by Holland to insure that he clears waivers
smart move, yes...


but I won't be shocked if he gets claimed by some one...

Perhaps... St. Louis

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I thought bonuses were being removed next year? Or am I dreaming?
The year that the CBA ends, NHL doesn't allow bonuses to be deferred. So they'd be okay for this season.



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Ken Holland is too intelligent to risk him getting caught on waivers. Maybe a mulit-year deal?
I thought about that as well. The poison pill approach. They should be in the market for a goalie seeing Ozzie is on his last legs and there's no other back-up option in the system right now.

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He wouldn't be a 35+ player. The CBA goes by the player's age as of the June 30th immediately preceding the season that the contract is for. Nabokov was 34 on June 30th, 2010.

Hmmm. Close, but I'm still willing to bet there's a way around that due to him being a UFA in another league right now. You may be right technically, but we never did figure out why Holland liked a playoff bonus vs a regular season bonus back when he was considering Hasek and Belfour-- both over 35 at the time.

 
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smart move, yes...


but I won't be shocked if he gets claimed by some one...

Perhaps... St. Louis


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smart move, yes...


but I won't be shocked if he gets claimed by some one...

Perhaps... St. Louis
St. louis will do it just to piss everyone off. I hope...

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But then what do the Wings do with the players on LTIR? They'd have to clear space at some point, right?
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Datsyuk, Cleary, Osgood and Stuart are all on LTIR, w/o counting Osgood, the former 2 will be back after the break. So thats 3 players they have to activate, Tatar and Mursak get sent down to make room.

They would have to move Hudler in order to give him 6~ mill and I still don't think they would be under the cap
Well, if Osgood is out until the end of regular season and the other guys is out a couple of weeks more, they'll have plenty of room for a multi-million deal. You clear out Tatar, Mursak, MacDonald as well as the banked space from LTIR, and there is quite a bit there. Enough to keep the Flyers away, which has to be a priority since they're both good candidates for the Cup.

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