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Nabokov to Detroit (570K), Nabby on waivers, claimed by the Islanders

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01-20-2011, 02:45 PM
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so the order currently stands as such:

..Team GP W L OT P P%
1. NJD 45 13 29 3 29 .322
2. EDM 45 14 24 7 35 .389
3. NYI 44 14 23 7 35 .398
4. OTT 47 17 23 7 41 .436
5. TOR 45 18 22 5 41 .456
6. CGY 47 20 21 6 46 .489
7. BUF 45 20 20 5 45 .500
8. FLA 45 21 20 4 46 .511
9. CBJ 47 22 20 5 49 .521
10.LAK 46 24 21 1 49 .533
11.CAR 46 22 18 6 50 .543
12.SJS 47 23 19 5 51 .543
13.ATL 48 23 18 7 53 .552
14.STL 45 22 17 6 50 .556
15.MIN 47 24 18 5 53 .564
16.ANA 49 26 19 4 56 .571
17.CHI 47 25 18 4 54 .574
18.PHX 47 23 15 9 55 .585
19.COL 46 24 16 6 54 .587
20.NYR 48 27 18 3 57 .594
21.MTL 47 26 17 4 56 .596
22.NSH 46 25 15 6 56 .609
23.WSH 47 25 14 8 58 .617
24.TBL 47 27 15 5 59 .628
25.BOS 46 26 13 7 59 .641
26.PIT 47 29 14 4 62 .660
27.DAL 46 28 13 5 61 .663
28.DET 46 28 12 6 62 .674
29.VAN 46 29 10 7 65 .707
30.PHI 46 30 11 5 65 .707


place your bets!
It's like the roulette wheel. The top 5 have had goalie issues.

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01-20-2011, 02:47 PM
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God I hope not the Redwings. Nabby is one of my favorite all time goalies and I am by no stretch of the imagination a Redwing fan. I just don't seem him passing through waivers and making it to the Wings. A lot of teams could use him ahead of the Wings, Senators, Islanders, and few others on the fence he could help for various reasons (Avalanche, Blue Jackets, Thrashers, Oilers). Maybe the Blues will sign him and he will get pick off waivers.

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Detroit could sign him to a deal that specifically has a very high cap hit to keep most contending teams from claiming him.

Capgeek claims the Wings have over $8 mil in LTIR space available, but these are the only other teams that have cap space to add more than $4.5 mil:

Toronto - no need
Anaheim - no need, might do it to screw with Wings
Buffalo - no need
LA - no need
Columbus - have bigger problems than trying to screw with Wings
Dallas - no need, might do it to screw with Wings
Phoenix - no need, no money
Nashville - no need, no money
Florida - no need, no money
Carolina - no need
Tampa - too many goalies already
St Louis - no need, might do it anyway to screw with Wings
Edmonton - what's the point?
Colorado - no need, might do it anyway to screw with Wings
Atlanta - no need
NY Isles - what's the point?

Everyone else should be out of the running if the Wings sign him to a 1 year deal at $4.5 mil. That's a lot of cash but it's strategic. None of the teams that could afford to claim him actually need goalies, and I count four that might do it just to screw with the Wings - Dallas, Anaheim, Colorado, and St. Louis. I'd say St. Louis is the most likely to do it.

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01-20-2011, 02:50 PM
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Being that he has been on waivers for some hours now.... doesn't that mean some of the lower team's window to pouch him has closed?

Basically, what time does it have to be for the window for these teams to close?

1. NJD 45 13 29 3 29 .322
2. EDM 45 14 24 7 35 .389
3. NYI 44 14 23 7 35 .398
4. OTT 47 17 23 7 41 .436

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Detroit could sign him to a deal that specifically has a very high cap hit to keep most contending teams from claiming him.

Capgeek claims the Wings have over $8 mil in LTIR space available, but these are the only other teams that have cap space to add more than $4.5 mil:

Toronto - no need
Anaheim - no need, might do it to screw with Wings
Buffalo - no need
LA - no need
Columbus - have bigger problems than trying to screw with Wings
Dallas - no need, might do it to screw with Wings
Phoenix - no need, no money
Nashville - no need, no money
Florida - no need, no money
Carolina - no need
Tampa - too many goalies already
St Louis - no need, might do it anyway to screw with Wings
Edmonton - what's the point?
Colorado - no need, might do it anyway to screw with Wings
Atlanta - no need
NY Isles - what's the point?

Everyone else should be out of the running if the Wings sign him to a 1 year deal at $4.5 mil. That's a lot of cash but it's strategic. None of the teams that could afford to claim him actually need goalies, and I count four that might do it just to screw with the Wings - Dallas, Anaheim, Colorado, and St. Louis. I'd say St. Louis is the most likely to do it.


I do not know what page you are looking at on CapGeek. But thats what it shows me.

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a little off topic, but any idea how long it takes yahoo to update and make him available? i keep refreshing and he's not on the list, wanna grab him regardless of what team he's on, can always drop him if need be later on, but there's a few leagues where i have goalie issues

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As a Wings fan, I don't know how to feel about this. Part of me wants this to happen but I'm not even going to be upset if he gets claimed.

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01-20-2011, 02:56 PM
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a little off topic, but any idea how long it takes yahoo to update and make him available? i keep refreshing and he's not on the list, wanna grab him regardless of what team he's on, can always drop him if need be later on, but there's a few leagues where i have goalie issues
I'm in the same boat! I have Howard in my Yahoo league...if Nabby goes to Detroit this will hurt me! I must get him first

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Thats another huge possibility. So they could stay above the cap floor. Hell if he was signed to a multi year deal I even see it more likely the Isles would grab him off the wire.
isles can then put down awful lawson and poulin, and then have nabokov back up DP and then they can unload martinek and stay above the floor. it would apear that they would 'win'.

hopefully its martinek over moulson.

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I do not know what page you are looking at on CapGeek. But thats what it shows me.
Just off the top of my head Datsyuk and Holmstrom should combine for more than enough LTIR cap space to sign Nabokov. The reason it's probaably 3.5m is because it's prorated for half the season which means they techically could sign someone to a 1 year 7m contract for the rest of the year (half a season).

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I do not know what page you are looking at on CapGeek. But thats what it shows me.
They have $3.5 mil in change in cap space, according to capgeek.

Since the season is more than half over, that translates to more than $8 mil in contracts.

Essentially they could sign him to a $7 mil, one year contract and the cap hit would only be $3 mil and change.

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Being that he has been on waivers for some hours now.... doesn't that mean some of the lower team's window to pouch him has closed?

Basically, what time does it have to be for the window for these teams to close?

1. NJD 45 13 29 3 29 .322
2. EDM 45 14 24 7 35 .389
3. NYI 44 14 23 7 35 .398
4. OTT 47 17 23 7 41 .436
There's a single deadline for all teams to submit a claim. If more than one team submits a claim by the deadline then the team with the poorest record [by % of possible points] receives the player.

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Just off the top of my head Datsyuk and Holmstrom should combine for more than enough LTIR cap space to sign Nabokov. The reason it's probaably 3.5m is because it's prorated for half the season which means they techically could sign someone to a 1 year 7m contract for the rest of the year (half a season).
But Datsyuk is expected back before the end of the season isn't he? So as soon as he comes back his LTIR space is gone.

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But Datsyuk is expected back before the end of the season isn't he? So as soon as he comes back his LTIR space is gone.
By then Zetterberg and Rafalski should both be on LTIR so it will all work out.

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But Datsyuk is expected back before the end of the season isn't he? So as soon as he comes back his LTIR space is gone.
Datsyuk should be back after all star game...so ya

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They have $3.5 mil in change in cap space, according to capgeek.

Since the season is more than half over, that translates to more than $8 mil in contracts.

Essentially they could sign him to a $7 mil, one year contract and the cap hit would only be $3 mil and change.
You need to account for when Dats and Hommer are going to come off LTIR though, unless you expect them to be there the rest of the regular season?

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But Datsyuk is expected back before the end of the season isn't he? So as soon as he comes back his LTIR space is gone.
Leave Datsyuk on LTIR till the end of the season and sign Nabokov in his place? Sounds good to me.

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There's a single deadline for all teams to submit a claim. If more than one team submits a claim by the deadline then the team with the poorest record [by % of possible points] receives the player.
Wow that sucks. When a GM submits a claim, is it confidential? I could see some shady business happening at the deadline for his waiver period then.

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I don't think that Nabby would get that much money this season with the Wings. I think they'll try to get through waivers with a three, four, five year deal with solid numbers over the next years. He's over 35, so every team who gets him would have to live with the cap until the end of the contract.
Detroit can do it. They've Howard and can use Nabby as a backup.

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You need to account for when Dats and Hommer are going to come off LTIR though, unless you expect them to be there the rest of the regular season?
Well, they keep accruing LTIR credit as long as Homer, Datsyuk, Cleary, and Osgood are out. So the number they can take on will increase every day until those guys come off LTIR.

The number provided by capgeek reflects the amount of LTIR credit they have built up to date, assuming Datsyuk, Cleary, Homer, etc are all back in the lineup tomorrow.

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i remember when i first heard about the possibility of nabakov returning to the nhl, that waivers would be an issue. I also remember hearing teams could circumvent the waiver issue if they had enough money to pay. Thats why i was under the impression the isles and bolts wouldnt grab him because theyd lose him in waivers since they couldntpay him enough to keep other teams away.

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Murray seems like a guy who would claim Nabokov; claiming that Ottawa is still in the mix.

I would laugh if he did. But also feel for the fans; drafting high this year and rebuilding is the best way.

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I don't think that Nabby would get that much money this season with the Wings. I think they'll try to get through waivers with a three, four, five year deal with solid numbers over the next years. He's over 35, so every team who gets him would have to live with the cap until the end of the contract.
Detroit can do it. They've Howard and can use Nabby as a backup.
A couple reasons why I doubt it:

1. The Wings don't hand out multi-year contracts to guys that aren't on the roster. They bring guys in and see how they fit before they go long-term.

2. The higher the cap hit, the MORE likely he is to make it through waivers. So the Wings would be benefitted by increasing the amount of the deal even if it seems way too high.

3. Since they can increase the cap hit on a 1 year deal just as easily as a multi-year deal, there's really no reason to risk a huge multi-year deal on an over-35 goalie in this case. They can sign him for 1 year and $5 mil and hope nobody who has the cap room to claim him actually wants to mess with the Wings enough to pull the trigger.

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Murray seems like a guy who would claim Nabokov; claiming that Ottawa is still in the mix.

I would laugh if he did. But also feel for the fans; drafting high this year and rebuilding is the best way.
Ottawa is cap-strapped, so unless he signs for a mil or less, Ottawa would have to clear guys out to claim him.

I wonder what happens in that case - does the team claiming him have to have the cap space? What if they don't?

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Pretty sure the Oilers won't be putting in a claim if this happens. Tbay, Wash or Philly make the most sense to me.

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