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01-21-2011, 01:44 PM
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I think people see all the young talent the Avs have and equate that with them being a solid team. To which I have to answer, no, good god no. The Avs are one of the worst teams defensively in the league, the only time I'm not on-the-edge-of-my-seat worried that we're going to be scored on is when Liles and O'Byrne are on the ice.

At this point I think Streit is better, not by too much though, but this season is the first that we're seeing Liles putting the whole package together. His first few years he was very good offensively, the next few he struggled a bit offensively, but you could tell he was trying to round out his game defensively. This season, he worked on his skating in the offseason, which has made his ability to transition between O and D absolutely seamless.

Right now, Liles is a good number 2 and an elite number 3, unless we're trading him to get a true number one defensemen I don't see how the deal wouldn't horribly hurt the team.

Especially when you're trying to offer up junk for him, and then turn around and decide you're offering too much so you offer even worse junk for him.

As a counter proposal, Cumiskey + Porter + 2nd for Chara.

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01-21-2011, 01:46 PM
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I think people see all the young talent the Avs have and equate that with them being a solid team. To which I have to answer, no, good god no. The Avs are one of the worst teams defensively in the league, the only time I'm not on-the-edge-of-my-seat worried that we're going to be scored on is when Liles and O'Byrne are on the ice.

At this point I think Streit is better, not by too much though, but this season is the first that we're seeing Liles putting the whole package together. His first few years he was very good offensively, the next few he struggled a bit offensively, but you could tell he was trying to round out his game defensively. This season, he worked on his skating in the offseason, which has made his ability to transition between O and D absolutely seamless.

Right now, Liles is a good number 2 and an elite number 3, unless we're trading him to get a true number one defensemen I don't see how the deal wouldn't horribly hurt the team.

Especially when you're trying to offer up junk for him, and then turn around and decide you're offering too much so you offer even worse junk for him.

As a counter proposal, Cumiskey + Porter + 2nd for Chara.
Toronto's first isn't junk if it's a lottery pick and the Avs can use it to draft Murphy.

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01-21-2011, 01:53 PM
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And be more physical. I think Bourque for Krejci is fair. I'm not sure either team does it though. Savard is still up in the air, and Seguin isn't ready to be a top 6 C.

Fair, but Boston might hesitate until they know Savard is fully back.
it might be a deal to look at in the offseason if they are unsure of Savard's health... but after bouncing back from that shot a few games back it looks like he is back and good

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01-21-2011, 01:55 PM
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Toronto's first isn't junk if it's a lottery pick and the Avs can use it to draft Murphy.
Pretty sure that was never offered up. They offered Wheeler/Ference/2nd or Ference/Paille.

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01-21-2011, 02:12 PM
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The OP clearly has no idea how much Vancouver values both Ehrhoff and Hodgson. Horton and a second is an insult.

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01-21-2011, 02:25 PM
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Why does Boston give up Krejci for Bourque? I don't get it.
Because this guy has no idea what he is talking about.

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I don't see the first 2 deals happening... but I think the 3rd is pretty fair and something I never actually considered before

what about expanding it to get a puck moving defenseman too?


to Boston:
Rene Bourque - $3,333,333
Anton Babchuk - $1,400,000

to Calgary:
David Krejci - $3,750,000
Daniel Paille - $1,075,000
2nd in 2011 (Min)
Krejci > Bourque
Babchuk isn't worth a probably high second + Paille

How this deal is fair?

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Seguin is playing wing for us and has plenty of minutes. Julien and Chia are letting him come along slowly, not giving him much pressure. I don't think I'd do that deal. Yes we're deep at center, but as soon as Krejci is gone that means either Seguin or Wheeler moves to center or we call up Arniel. I'd rather keep our centers as is. We're 8th in league scoring, so I'm fine with it.

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Let me add a deal to the discussion though.

To NYI:

Ryder
TOR 1st

To BOS:

Streit (assuming he is good to go by the deadline)

Giving up a possible top 5 pick is a lot, but Streit is a great offensive dman who I think makes us a true Cup contender and who is signed beyond the offseason. Ryder can help NYI on the wing and is UFA after this season so they can continue to rebuild. Ryder and Streit's salaries are almost equal so NYI stays near the cap floor and we stay under the ceiling.
Obviously not.

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01-21-2011, 02:25 PM
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Liles has always been a good puck mover though, I'm not sure why that's something you'd regard as a weakness with him...
I never said that. I haven't really spoken about Liles at all, I have asked you about him however.

I'm just a big fan of Streit and have had very limited viewing of Liles.

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01-21-2011, 05:20 PM
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To Boston
D- John Michael Liles

To Colorado
F Blake Wheeler
D Andrew Ference
Boston 2nd

To Boston
D Christian Ehrhoff
F Cody Hodgson

To Vancouver
F Nathan Horton
Minny 2nd


To Boston
F Rene Bourque

To Calgary
F David Krejci

Lucic-Savard-Ryder
Bourque-Bergeron-Recchi
Seguin-Hodgson-Caron
Thornton-Campbell-Marchand

Chara-Liles
Siedenberg-Ehrhoff
Boychuck-Kampfer
Stuart


Tear it up!!!!!!!!!
Big No from Vancouver.

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01-21-2011, 07:37 PM
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were in first place in our division and 2nd in the conference why on earth would we shake up the lineup that drastically?

makes no sense

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01-21-2011, 08:00 PM
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Boston gets screwed in all 3 deals , this is what I would do;

Liles to Boston for Ference and Paille,

Kesler for Horton,

Bourque for Wheeler

If those teams don't like that, then walk away otherwise the Bruins overpay in all 3 deals.
NO they don't and your proposals are homerism at it's best. Horton will never get us Kesler

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01-21-2011, 08:26 PM
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To Boston
D- John Michael Liles

To Colorado
F Blake Wheeler
D Andrew Ference
Boston 2nd

To Boston
D Christian Ehrhoff
F Cody Hodgson

To Vancouver
F Nathan Horton
Minny 2nd


To Boston
F Rene Bourque

To Calgary
F David Krejci

Lucic-Savard-Ryder
Bourque-Bergeron-Recchi
Seguin-Hodgson-Caron
Thornton-Campbell-Marchand

Chara-Liles
Siedenberg-Ehrhoff
Boychuck-Kampfer
Stuart


Tear it up!!!!!!!!!
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Boston gets screwed in all 3 deals , this is what I would do;

Liles to Boston for Ference and Paille,

Kesler for Horton,

Bourque for Wheeler

If those teams don't like that, then walk away otherwise the Bruins overpay in all 3 deals.
These are both so absurdly one-sided they're up there with Kaberle proposals from really, really clueless Leafs fans.

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01-21-2011, 10:09 PM
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streit > liles. by a hair.

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01-21-2011, 10:18 PM
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These are both so absurdly one-sided they're up there with Kaberle proposals from really, really clueless Leafs fans.
Please do not take take those proposals as the general stereotype of B's fans... most of us know how ridiculous they are. Haha

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01-21-2011, 10:28 PM
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Please do not take take those proposals as the general stereotype of B's fans... most of us know how ridiculous they are. Haha
It's unfortunate, but every team has fans that over value their players and assume other GM's are lining up to give them good players for nothing.

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01-21-2011, 10:50 PM
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If Boston can acquire an Erhoff or Regehr, they will make it to the Cup finals.

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Please do not take take those proposals as the general stereotype of B's fans... most of us know how ridiculous they are. Haha
I don't. Having seen the idiocy of some of my Canucks fan brethren routinely generalized across the entire fanbase, I have no intention of doing so myself, just as it was not my intention to imply that Kaberle proposals made by clueless Leafs fans were representative of the Leafs fanbase as a whole.

And of course, most of the Bruins fans in this thread are chiming in about how the above-mentioned proposals are utter fantsies.

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01-21-2011, 11:34 PM
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As a flames fan I can say Krejci even with the regression in his play would still garner more than Bourque in a trade.

Not knowing what exactly the needs of boston going forward it would probably take Bourque and a top defensive prospect + a good pick.

Having said that I'm not sure it would be worth it for the flames.

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01-22-2011, 12:28 AM
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Krejci for Bourque is highway robbery by the Flames

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Boston gets screwed in all 3 deals , this is what I would do;
How exactly does Vancouver NOT get bent over in their deal? Ehrhoff is pretty much our best PMD and Hodgson is our best prospect, and we get Horton and a 2nd? I like the addition of Horton, but that is HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE overpayment that will simply never happen.

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Boston gets screwed in all 3 deals , this is what I would do;

Liles to Boston for Ference and Paille,

Kesler for Horton,
Bourque for Wheeler

If those teams don't like that, then walk away otherwise the Bruins overpay in all 3 deals.
I am sure Vancouver is all over that. Two time Selke finalist (likely again this year) who is now looking like a 30 plus goal scorer and nearly PPG player for Horton? Wow, I am sure Vancouver will be all over this.

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01-22-2011, 02:35 AM
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LOL at Bourque for Krejci. Yeah, David isn't having a great first half, but does anyone remember what happened when Mike Richards broke his wrist in game 3 of the ECSF last year? Oh, right...they fell apart.

With Savard and Bergeron's injury histories, Boston can't afford to trade a Center right now...especially not for overrated Rene Bourque.

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01-22-2011, 02:37 AM
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I am sure Vancouver is all over that. Two time Selke finalist (likely again this year) who is now looking like a 30 plus goal scorer and nearly PPG player for Horton? Wow, I am sure Vancouver will be all over this.
I think the poster was merely trying to be overwhelmingly biased to the extent that the OP was against Boston.

Seriously...other than the Liles deal, the two others were awful. Why would Boston trade two of their top offensive players in Krejci and Horton, then trade ANOTHER winger in Wheeler to acquire two more defensemen on a team that is already good defensively?

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