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01-21-2011, 11:10 PM
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How about:

Johansen
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Rundblad
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CBJ does it to move up giving the Sens performance, potentially lottery pick and should be able to draft Nugent Hopkins or Huberdeau to provide a blue chip prospect at C.

Sens do it to get Johansen and can draft Siemens, Hamilton or Murphy with the move down a few spots into the CBJ spot in the draft.

Basically draft works out as Murphy and Johansen for Nugent-Hopkins/Huberdeau and Rundblad.

I think this may actually work for both sides.
If Rundblad can play some D at the NHL level, he is essentially a bigger version of Karlsson.

Would I trade Erik Kralsson for Johansson....not a chance

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01-21-2011, 11:24 PM
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No, no other explanation is needed.

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01-21-2011, 11:32 PM
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No, no other explanation is needed.
In the sense that you never need to explain any position, sure.

In terms of value, I think there is one needed.

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01-21-2011, 11:51 PM
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I can understand Columbus not wanting to make the deal for prospects in their system (though, as I said, I don't think any of those defense prospects are on the same Tier as Rundblad... it would be like us using Jim O'Brien or Silverberg as an example of why Johansen is useless to us)...

But that still doesn't answer the question of whether the theoretical value is there - and I think the thread shows it is.

There are Columbus fans, btw, who would probably put potential #1D over potential #1C.
They MAY not be. But you know what I do know? THERE ISN'T ANOTHER CENTER IN THE JACKETS ORGANIZATION ANYWHERE CLOSE TO AS GOOD AS JOHANSEN.

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value wise...pretty good...but that said...i'll pass just b/c of many of the reasons above...johan is a much needed prospect where we have many 1/2/3's in the pipeline for defense...

the johan for rundblad and swap of 1st tho is somewhat tempting...

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01-22-2011, 12:14 AM
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value wise...pretty good...but that said...i'll pass just b/c of many of the reasons above...johan is a much needed prospect where we have many 1/2/3's in the pipeline for defense...

the johan for rundblad and swap of 1st tho is somewhat tempting...
Not to Sens fans. It's not even remotely close to fair value (given the fact Rundblad and Johansen are basically equal value prospects, and the firsts are not close to equal at all).

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In the sense that you never need to explain any position, sure.

In terms of value, I think there is one needed.
Who cares about value? The needs aren't there.

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01-22-2011, 02:15 AM
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Who cares about value? The needs aren't there.
I've seen plenty of CBJ fans say they need a #1 defenseman.

I also know plenty of people who rank #1D > #1C > #1W....

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Not to Sens fans. It's not even remotely close to fair value (given the fact Rundblad and Johansen are basically equal value prospects, and the firsts are not close to equal at all).
thus why it intrigued me

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I've seen plenty of CBJ fans say they need a #1 defenseman.

I also know plenty of people who rank #1D > #1C > #1W....
Pyke I agree with you that we should look at trading one of our top d-prospects for a top forward prospect, but I don't think CLB would do this.

The only way I see CLB trading Johansen it is a deal that revolves around Spezza or Karlsson and I don't blame them.

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01-22-2011, 08:41 AM
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Huh... I think its kinda way too soon to be calling Rundblad a #1 Dman, or even a potential possible maybe one.

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Don't think Columbus wants to trade Johansen.

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01-22-2011, 08:58 AM
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Pyke I agree with you that we should look at trading one of our top d-prospects for a top forward prospect, but I don't think CLB would do this.

The only way I see CLB trading Johansen it is a deal that revolves around Spezza or Karlsson and I don't blame them.
Ya and the only way Ottawa trades Rundblad if it revolves around Nash

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01-22-2011, 09:43 AM
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Done. Solid trade for both teams IMO.

Rundblad has 30P in 39GP in the SEL as a defenseman. That's unheard of. I firmly believe he can be a #1 defenseman, His coach thinks so too.

Johansen was awsome in the WJC and has #1 center potential. Exactly what we need. He's a future Spezza if he reaches his full potential.

Fits both teams needs (Rundblad would be your best d prospect by far) and besides draft positions, which hardly mean ****. It's completely fair.

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I have seen many Columbus fans say they need a #1 D, Rundblad potentially is that. I don't think Rundblad for Johansen is an absurd proposition.
There's an issue there. We need a guy who can play top pairing right now, not potentially so in the future. We have three "potential" guys developing in the system already.

The value is there, and I like Rundblad (and he is one of the few defense prospects we could actually trade for, since he's not presently in the AHL), but the state of our system is such that we need Johansen more.

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You guys got Rundblad by trading your pick in the last draft to get him.... And the 16th overall pick, you think that he's worth Johansen? Let alone that we need him? And please withthe guy saying Rundblad is on a different "tier" then any of our defense prospects. He was picked what, 4 picks before Moore?

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01-22-2011, 11:52 AM
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You guys got Rundblad by trading your pick in the last draft to get him.... And the 16th overall pick, you think that he's worth Johansen? Let alone that we need him? And please withthe guy saying Rundblad is on a different "tier" then any of our defense prospects. He was picked what, 4 picks before Moore?
Rundblad wasn't leading the SEL in scoring from the blueline when we traded for him. The consensus is that his value has shot up since then.

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01-22-2011, 12:00 PM
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You guys got Rundblad by trading your pick in the last draft to get him.... And the 16th overall pick, you think that he's worth Johansen? Let alone that we need him? And please withthe guy saying Rundblad is on a different "tier" then any of our defense prospects. He was picked what, 4 picks before Moore?
When was the last time it mattered were in the draft you were picked?

What player you develop into at the end in the NHL is what matters

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Rundblad may well project higher - or at least have a higher possibility of beijng a #1 - than any of the CBJ blueline prospects. Granted.

But CBJ have nothing behind Johanson in terms of possible #1 C prospects, while they have a reasonable pool of possible top-pair defensemen.

It's not about who might become better at their position, and it's not about whether Rundblad (who I liked and wanted the CBJ to draft) is better than the Jackets' current defense prospects. And since Rundblad is still a prospect, well...

It's about numbers and options at the affected positions.

Which also means any discussion of fair value is also moot.

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01-22-2011, 12:03 PM
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I've seen plenty of CBJ fans say they need a #1 defenseman.

I also know plenty of people who rank #1D > #1C > #1W....
Yeah, what is your point? I don't see you offering one.

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From a Columbus perspective this is a bad deal.

#1 C are much more valuable than #1 D

Columbus has exactly ONE prospect in the system who has #1 c potential.

Columbus has 2-3 prospects who might be a #1 d.

If Columbus felt another #1 d prospect was as desirable, they would have chosen Fowler or Gormley at the draft.

Then of course you argue that Johansen and Rundblad are equal value, but in fact you've offered Rundblad + in multiple threads. Methinks thou dost protest too much.

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Done. Solid trade for both teams IMO.

Rundblad has 30P in 39GP in the SEL as a defenseman. That's unheard of. I firmly believe he can be a #1 defenseman, His coach thinks so too.

Johansen was awsome in the WJC and has #1 center potential. Exactly what we need. He's a future Spezza if he reaches his full potential.

Fits both teams needs (Rundblad would be your best d prospect by far) and besides draft positions, which hardly mean ****. It's completely fair.

No, no it doesn't make sense!

Like I said, explain to me why Howson passed on Fowler for Johansen, and THEN tried to get back into the mix to draft Fowler? Howson knew Fowler's upside because he hired the Spitfires head coach Bob Boughner before the draft and had been extensively scouting Fowler.

The only answer is because Howson values Johansen over a #1 D prospect. It's irrelevant what "some" CBJ fans think. Howson asked for Eberle straight up for Johansen. Do you think Anaheim would trade Fowler straight up for Rundblad? Do you think the Oilers would trade Eberle straight up for Rundblad?

No.

We're happy with our current defensive prospects and, if we REALLY need a top tier defensive prospect, we can easily draft one in the upcoming draft.

The real value of Rundblad would be Filatov straight up, and even then I doubt Howson wants to move him. Howson's sticking to the core he created of Brassard, Voracek, Johansen, Filatov, Moore, and Mason. This trade is extremely unrealistic because I know, and you SHOULD know, that the Jackets GM would never do it.

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