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01-22-2011, 07:42 AM
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That should be more like:

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More like:

Burke: Sutter how about I take your significantly overpaid dumb defenceman while giving you 3 valuable players all earning their contracts who in a years time will look like overpaid assets?

Sutter: Really? deal! You will probably want Aulie too. Just to compesate for that cap space you taking off me (even though I'm going to fill it in just three weeks time).

Aulie alone could win this deal.

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01-22-2011, 09:29 AM
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What would it take??

To San Jose
Francois Beauchemim
Luca Caputi

To Toronto
Joe Pavelski
Andrew Desjardins

Thoughts?
meh, no

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01-22-2011, 11:27 AM
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Start with Scheen, then continue on if you want Pavs

Something like

Pavelski + 3rd

for Scheen+ 2nd +5th

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01-22-2011, 11:32 AM
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Start with Scheen, then continue on if you want Pavs

Something like

Pavelski + 3rd

for Scheen+ 2nd +5th
We are not giving you Schenn for Pavelski.

He is a second line center, it doesn't matter if on the leafs he might be their first.

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01-22-2011, 11:42 AM
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We are not giving you Schenn for Pavelski.

He is a second line center, it doesn't matter if on the leafs he might be their first.
Does that mean Logan Couture is a 3rd line center in TOR? Lets give you logan and our first, i mean, cause you want at least a 1st with a 3rd line center, + pavs, the second line center, for your defenseman then.

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What would it take??

To San Jose
Francois Beauchemim
Luca Caputi

To Toronto
Joe Pavelski
Andrew Desjardins

Thoughts?
I hate Tor-SJ offers. There is not one defender from that god awful team that I would want for anyone in our top 6, except for a signed Kaberle.

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01-22-2011, 01:08 PM
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The only trades that would work for Beauchemin would be something more along the lines of Huskins, Mitchell/McGinn, and a prospect/pick. Basically something that would help the Sharks in the present, and possibly give the leaves some help in the future.

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01-22-2011, 01:13 PM
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We are not giving you Schenn for Pavelski.

He is a second line center, it doesn't matter if on the leafs he might be their first.
Schenn is a second pairing defenseman, it doesn't matter if on the Sharks he might be their first. Leafs fans just tend to overvalue Schenn because he's about the only valuable thing they have.

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01-22-2011, 01:16 PM
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We are not giving you Schenn for Pavelski.

He is a second line center, it doesn't matter if on the leafs he might be their first.
Let's put it this way. Pavelski is worth more to San Jose than Schenn is to Toronto, Pavelski is going nowhere.

You cannot get Pavelski for Beauchemin, period. It's not like people here don't watch Toronto games, and don't see you guys trashing Beauchemin on your own board. Beauchemin will not get you anything of value, and if he is traded at all, it will be a lateral trade in terms of value.

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01-22-2011, 01:42 PM
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Let's put it this way. Pavelski is worth more to San Jose than Schenn is to Toronto, Pavelski is going nowhere.

You cannot get Pavelski for Beauchemin, period. It's not like people here don't watch Toronto games, and don't see you guys trashing Beauchemin on your own board. Beauchemin will not get you anything of value, and if he is traded at all, it will be a lateral trade in terms of value.
thats not true... :S you have JT Heatley Patty M Clowe Couture Seto..... etc

lol Toronto has who? Schenn.... Gunnarsson?

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01-22-2011, 01:51 PM
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thats not true... :S you have JT Heatley Patty M Clowe Couture Seto..... etc

lol Toronto has who? Schenn.... Gunnarsson?
Successful teams (a foreign concept to Leafs fans, I know) employ a wealth of top-six forwards. At least 9. Look at the Flyers and Blackhawks last spring. Adding Wellwood, the Sharks have about 8 with most of them severely underachieving this season and thanks to both that fact and a largely immobile defense San Jose continues to struggle. Moving any chip on offense as significant as Pavelski to add a top-four defenseman would just be creating one hole to fill another. Not to mention that there isn't a single defenseman on the Leafs (yes, even your precious one-dimensional Schenn) who would improve the Sharks' current situation.

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01-22-2011, 02:15 PM
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how about;

Tor; Pavelski

San; Schenn, kadri, 1st 2012, kessel and kaberle

would that get it done??

honestly schenn has a 99.999998% chance of not being traded, he is our best d-man and is young.... he IS toronto's future, sorry.

when you have players like thoroton, marleau, boyle, couture.... pavelski starts to become a movable asset for needs. Sorry to burst anyone bubble, but pavelski hasnt scored more than 59 points in 5 NHL seasons... he might break that this year, but its still just a maybe.

I think a more realist deal for a 59 point player may be something along the lines of;

Tor; beauchmin (they have shown interest), holzer, lashoff.

San; pavelski, 3rd.

this helps toronto because they get a possible 1st or 2nd line player.

San jose gets a defenseman with character, a cup ring and with a bullet shot from the point in beauchmin. They add another weapon to give joe T and marleau some more room. A PP d pair of boyle and beauchmin would be lethal. and honeslty i would do this trade from a san jose POV also. San jose also gets a good young pmd in lashoff which can be a good 2nd pp qb and holzer a big stay at home d man

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01-22-2011, 02:19 PM
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how about;

Tor; Pavelski

San; Schenn, kadri, 1st 2012, kessel and kaberle

would that get it done??

honestly schenn has a 99.999998% chance of not being traded, he is our best d-man and is young.... he IS toronto's future, sorry.

when you have players like thoroton, marleau, boyle, couture.... pavelski starts to become a movable asset for needs. Sorry to burst anyone bubble, but pavelski hasnt scored more than 59 points in 5 NHL seasons... he might break that this year, but its still just a maybe.

I think a more realist deal for a 59 point player may be something along the lines of;

Tor; beauchmin (they have shown interest), holzer, lashoff.

San; pavelski, 3rd.

this helps toronto because they get a possible 1st or 2nd line player.

San jose gets a defenseman with character, a cup ring and with a bullet shot from the point in beauchmin. They add another weapon to give joe T and marleau some more room. A PP d pair of boyle and beauchmin would be lethal. and honeslty i would do this trade from a san jose POV also. San jose also gets a good young pmd in lashoff which can be a good 2nd pp qb and holzer a big stay at home d man
No one has shown interest in Beauchemin. The Sharks don't need a defenseman with ~character and a cup ring~, they need a mobile top four guy which Toronto DOES NOT HAVE. Again, simply having JT, Heatley and Couture doesn't make Pavelski expendable. There's something called depth that's nice to have in something called the playoffs--both of which are terms that I know are unknown to Leafs fans and will be for quite some time. Stop with the inane proposals. The Leafs have nothing of value to offer the Sharks. They don't make good trading partners. Just ****ing stop.


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how about;
when you have players like thoroton, marleau, boyle, couture.... pavelski starts to become a movable asset for needs. Sorry to burst anyone bubble, but pavelski hasnt scored more than 59 points in 5 NHL seasons... he might break that this year, but its still just a maybe.
Just because the Sharks have a bunch of good players doesn't mean they need to settle on Beauchemin for one of those valuable pieces. He is a very solid 2nd line center who will score at least 50 points, play very good defense, be an important part of special teams, and be one of the top shootout performers in the NHL. There's no way the Sharks get better by moving him for a defenseman of Beauch's caliber.

The only way the Sharks move a Pavelski is in a package for a significant upgrade on the blue line.

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No one has shown interest in Beauchemin. The Sharks don't need a defenseman with ~character and a cup ring~, they need a mobile top four guy which Toronto DOES NOT HAVE. My god you people are idiots. Again, simply having JT, Heatley and Couture doesn't make Pavelski expendable. There's something called depth that's nice to have in something called the playoffs--both of which are terms that I know are unknown to Leafs fans and will be for quite some time. Stop with the inane proposals. The Leafs have nothing of value to offer the Sharks. They don't make good trading partners. Just ****ing stop.
Plus Pavelski adds a tonne with his leadership skills and is likely the future captain...the only way he is traded is for Seabrook or Schenn+1st(which you don't have)+2nd

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If the Sharks can't parlay Pavelski (or Clowe) into Seabrook, Suter, Carlson or Weber (by adding assets/draft picks) they have no incentive to move him whatsoever. Acquiring any of those three defensemen for those pieces is extremely unlikely so, basically, the Sharks have no reason to trade them away. Schenn is a one-dimensional defenseman who doesn't project to ever be a true two-way guy, so he's out of the question even though you weren't offering him.

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when you have players like thoroton, marleau, boyle, couture.... pavelski starts to become a movable asset for needs. Sorry to burst anyone bubble, but pavelski hasnt scored more than 59 points in 5 NHL seasons... he might break that this year, but its still just a maybe.
They don't make him expendable at all. If anything, he is their future replacements.

Pavelski is too valuable to the Sharks to trade him for a run of the mill guy like Beauchemin. He leads by example, is one of the best faceoff guys on the team (who HIGHLY values faceoffs), plays both the PP and the PK, best shot blocker on the team, solid 2-way play.

He's not going to blow up the stats sheet, and nobody expects him to. You act as if he needs to be scoring 80-100 points a year to be considered valuable to the team. There's more to value than just point totals.

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when your team is as good as san jose is, and your palyers are aging you HAVE TO go for it, if you need d you get some d you dont wait. your team wont be this good forever you need to go to the cup now!

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Pretending the Sharks have shown interest in Beauchemin when there are no reports to suggest that isn't the smartest thing to say in the world and you should probably stop while you're ahead (er, behind). What are you even talking about WRT affording that depth forever? Chicago couldn't afford it because of moronic signings (Huet, Campbell, Hossa) that you should be familiar with as a Leafs fan. Philadelphia gained even more depth if anything over the summer, particularly on the back end. Smart cap management means you can keep that depth. Beauchemin is NOT a puck-moving defenseman; your definition of him as such leads me to believe you don't even know what that means. Yes, he has a solid shot from the point; no, that doesn't mean he can consistently and accurately move the puck from his own end. He's a giveaway machine and not at all a top four guy, let alone the top four guy the Sharks are looking for. Just come to the realization that the Leafs have nothing of value to offer. Develop your own Pavelskis and Marleaus and Richardses and Carters. Or, at least, do so when your GM stops trading away your first rounders for overpaid second-line RWs with terrible attitudes and work ethic.


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when your team is as good as san jose is, and your palyers are aging you HAVE TO go for it, if you need d you get some d you dont wait. your team wont be this good forever you need to go to the cup now!
Yes, but not at the cost of the future of the franchise for a very average defenseman.

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Yes, but not at the cost of the future of the franchise for a very average defenseman.
pavelski is 26/27 if im not mistaken, thats not a "future" player IMO. start building around couture... you get prospects with beauchmin to help now and later.

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pavelski is 26/27 if im not mistaken, thats not a "future" player IMO. start building around couture... you get prospects with beauchmin to help now and later.


26 is old? I'm 25, I should start thinking about retirement.

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pavelski is 26/27 if im not mistaken, thats not a "future" player IMO. start building around couture... you get prospects with beauchmin to help now and later.
Lol forever. First of all, he's 25. Second, why the **** should the Sharks start building around Couture when they remain Cup contenders? You and the rest of the Leafs fans just need to stop making proposals with San Jose players; you clearly know nothing about the team.

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26 is old? I'm 25, I should start thinking about retirement.
lol i know, but it is in hockey. i wouldnt want to start to building around a 26 year old, i would want to be done building around 26/27 years old since that is a player prime.

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Guys, the reason San Jose doesn't do this trade is simple, and it has very litle to do with the evaluation of Beauchemin.

They need a guy like Beauchemin without a doubt (despite them telling you otherwise), but not at the cost of Pavelski. There will be enough rentals available at the deadline that allow them to add a player at the cost of draft picks and/or prospects. Those players will be close enough to as good a fit as Beauchemin that it doesn't make sense for a team who's window to win is now to trade a significant forward.

Would SJ be a better team with Beauchemin instead of Pavelski? I think you can certainly make that case because they have Thornton/Couture. However, they'd be much better off taking on a player that only costs them picks/prospects.

Personally, what I find entertaining is the fact that they want Schenn for Pavelski, despite their repeated need for a guy who can move the puck.

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