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01-22-2011, 01:04 AM
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Was thinking about the other Seabrook thread, maybe just maybe the Hawks would trade Seabrook to another contender...

SJ Gives:
Pavelski and a 2nd/3rd

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Brent Seabrook

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01-22-2011, 01:15 AM
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While Seabrook would be a great addition to the Sharks, I don't know if i'd want to do it at the cost of Pavelski. He's too valuable to the team (in a leadership sort of way).

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Don't watch Sharks but I hear Pavelski is pretty highly valued and doing good. I don't see this ever happening, but I guess the value is there but I also see Hawks valuing Seabrook way more than Pavelski.

Pretty much in any case, if the players don't want out, are an impending UFA, or are under performing, big name, big game players won't be traded.

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Value wise this could be argued to be equal. But there is no reason for Chicago to trade for Pavelski. They already have a lot of 2-way forwards in Toews Hossa and Sharp. I hear Bolland has been questionable at times but I think they still have good center depth. I would think they would want more of a good power forward left winger. But I haven't followed them since the beginning of the season.

I also doubt there will be any trades because of the offer-sheet incident.

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I couldn't think of anyone else that is now "serviceable"...

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I couldn't think of anyone else that is now "serviceable"...
Losing one of our top 2 centers (I still consider Pavelski the top center over Couture, even though they play on the same line) is something I don't think the Sharks would be interested in, gearing up for the Playoffs. If the Hawks were looking to deal Seabrook to the Sharks, it would have to be some sort of package deal around an expendable player (see: Setoguchi, Huskins, Wallin), prospect and pick(s). However as FizzleFry pointed out, given the offer sheet shenanigans, I don't think Chicago is going to do Doug Wilson any favors.

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01-22-2011, 01:38 AM
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Losing one of our top 2 centers (I still consider Pavelski the top center over Couture, even though they play on the same line) is something I don't think the Sharks would be interested in, gearing up for the Playoffs. If the Hawks were looking to deal Seabrook to the Sharks, it would have to be some sort of package deal around an expendable player (see: Setoguchi, Huskins, Wallin), prospect and pick(s). However as FizzleFry pointed out, given the offer sheet shenanigans, I don't think Chicago is going to do Doug Wilson any favors.
Maybe Seto a 2nd and Wallin + something else for Seabrook?

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Maybe Seto a 2nd and Wallin + something else for Seabrook?
That is definitely more in the realms of possibility.

How about:

Setoguchi
Wallin
Joslin
2nd

Seabrook
4th

note I haven't looked at salaries or cap situations, this is more a value proposal

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Maybe Seto a 2nd and Wallin + something else for Seabrook?
You should be embarrassed for even posting that. Seabrook is an outstanding player that is going take a heck of a lot more than Seto, a 2nd, and a salary dump. And I'm one of those people who is always saying that people on this board vastly under-rate Seto.

To get Chicago to think of moving Seabrook is going to take Couture+, and even then I don't think they do it. Seabrook is the rock defensively on their top-defensive pair. They would be stupid to trade him.

Seabrook has the same number of points as Keith and averages nearly 25 minutes a night. You are essentially thinking that you can get a very good #2 defenseman for Seto, a salary dump, a young d-man struggling to even hold a spot in the NHL, and a 2nd. That's bonkers.

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Stop it Vaasa, we're close to getting rid of Wallin


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That is definitely more in the realms of possibility.

How about (note I haven't looked at salaries or cap situations):

Setoguchi
Wallin
Joslin
2nd

Seabrook
4th
Sharks take that and run...Salary should be ok I am pretty sure since Wallin is 2.5 and Seto is 1.8, Seabrook is $3.5 plus $980k in cap space would make this trade ok as long as Joslin is sent down or someone else on the Blackhawks is sent down...IDK Joslin's cap hit though.

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That is definitely more in the realms of possibility.

How about:

Setoguchi
Wallin
Joslin
2nd

Seabrook
4th

note I haven't looked at salaries or cap situations, this is more a value proposal
Not a chance this happens. Seabrook has been one of the more consistent hawks this year and is obviously very important playing beside keith and he's also on the top PP and PK unit. And after everything thats happened with the sharks this past summer and with them being competition in the western conference it would take a massive overpayment for the hawks to even consider it

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01-22-2011, 04:03 AM
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That is definitely more in the realms of possibility.

How about:

Setoguchi
Wallin
Joslin
2nd

Seabrook
4th

note I haven't looked at salaries or cap situations, this is more a value proposal
Even if you replace Wallin with Murray and the 2nd with a 1st, Chicago still would hesitate.

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Setoguchi+McGinn+_______ for Seabrook

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Seto + Demers + 1st for Seabrook

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01-22-2011, 01:21 PM
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Seto + Demers + 1st for Seabrook
Wouldn't happen, replace Demers with someone else...

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I'd prefer to add as many draft picks and/or prospects to Setoguchi and Murray as it would need to get Seabrook. I'd be happy to do Seto, Murray, Braun, and a 1st for Seabrook if that was acceptable. However, Couture, Pavelski, and Demers aren't going to be a part of this and if that's a deal-breaker, so be it. I'd have to look elsewhere. lol

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01-22-2011, 01:32 PM
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That's alright. I won't devalue other team's assets by making comments like this. The Sharks will get their man elsewhere. Suffice it to say that Seto, Murray, Braun, and a 1st is more than fair for a player of Seabrook's caliber. It's simply a question of why the Hawks would even move him since they have the space to sign him long term for high dollars. Doesn't make sense to me.

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01-22-2011, 01:42 PM
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Just offer sheet Seabrook. The Hawks won't take him to arbitration because that would mean a one-year contract, allowing Seabrook to bolt in 2012. Coyle notwithstanding, the Sharks repeatedly flub their late first-round draft picks anyway (if they haven't already been traded away) so who cares about the loss of picks? If Chicago is dumb enough to match, they become even more cap-strapped and get to have another fire sale. DW would be stupid not to offer sheet him and he's shown he isn't afraid of using that with the Hammer sheet last year.

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Just offer sheet Seabrook. The Hawks won't take him to arbitration because that would mean a one-year contract, allowing Seabrook to bolt in 2012. Coyle notwithstanding, the Sharks repeatedly flub their late first-round draft picks anyway (if they haven't already been traded away) so who cares about the loss of picks? If Chicago is dumb enough to match, they become even more cap-strapped and get to have another fire sale. DW would be stupid not to offer sheet him and he's shown he isn't afraid of using that with the Hammer sheet last year.
They won't be nearly as cap-strapped this coming off-season with the bonus money of 4 mil and some change being available to them plus another 3.5 mil in free agents plus whatever potential cap increase there may be.

Offer sheeting Seabrook is not going to be an option.

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That is definitely more in the realms of possibility.

How about:

Setoguchi
Wallin
Joslin
2nd

Seabrook
4th

note I haven't looked at salaries or cap situations, this is more a value proposal
LOL. Sharks do that LAUGHING while Chicago pukes at the proposal.

If only we could get Seabrook for Wallin

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