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01-23-2011, 01:45 AM
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Why are you guys laughing at my proposal?

Let's face facts here:

The Leafs need more offense. They have a surplus of defense.

The Oilers need better defense. They have a surplus of young, talented forwards.

Isn't it obvious that you would swap Hall and Schenn? The Oilers wouldn't be in bad shape. They'd still have Eberle, Omark, and MPS as young forwards. Their D would be terribly better overnight and with some added depth through free agency they could make the playoffs. Same goes with the Leafs. Too many defensemen, not enough scoring forwards. They can afford to lose Schenn for Hall.
when Leafs fans know this is a bad trade for the other team....you have some work to do

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01-23-2011, 01:48 AM
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I think you may be overrating Hall a little bit. I've watched many Oilers games this year, and I've yet to see an amazing goal by him. Most of them are just shots, tips, and garbage goals. I thought I'd see a little more out of him considering he's a finesse player. That's the concern, though: is he in the NHL to score grinder goals or nice goals? Which is why I think it's alright at this time to trade him for Schenn. Schenn isn't THAT good yet but at least he's heading more towards his career path than Hall is. You give up some defensive help to take a risk on an offensive player.

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01-23-2011, 01:58 AM
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I think you may be overrating Hall a little bit. I've watched many Oilers games this year, and I've yet to see an amazing goal by him. Most of them are just shots, tips, and garbage goals. I thought I'd see a little more out of him considering he's a finesse player. That's the concern, though: is he in the NHL to score grinder goals or nice goals? Which is why I think it's alright at this time to trade him for Schenn. Schenn isn't THAT good yet but at least he's heading more towards his career path than Hall is. You give up some defensive help to take a risk on an offensive player.
If your talking career paths Schenn and Hall in my mind have been compared to Adam Foote(Schenn) Mark Messier/Glenn Anderson (Hall)
Now realistically Schenn is a lot closer to becoming Foote than Hall is to becoming Messier/Anderson but EDM would never take that chance..and Toronto would never refuse it.

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Why are you guys laughing at my proposal?

Let's face facts here:

The Leafs need more offense. They have a surplus of defense.

The Oilers need better defense. They have a surplus of young, talented forwards.

Isn't it obvious that you would swap Hall and Schenn? The Oilers wouldn't be in bad shape. They'd still have Eberle, Omark, and MPS as young forwards. Their D would be terribly better overnight and with some added depth through free agency they could make the playoffs. Same goes with the Leafs. Too many defensemen, not enough scoring forwards. They can afford to lose Schenn for Hall.
Taylor Hall is superior at what he does, then at what Schenn does. No offence to Luke Schenn he's a good shutdown guy, but Taylor Hall is going to be a fantastic goal scoring power forward.

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01-23-2011, 02:29 AM
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If you want Hall maybe your genius GM should have thought about those picks he traded first.

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01-23-2011, 02:33 AM
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Omark+Gagner for Schenn+4th

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Omark+Gagner for Schenn+4th
I like this, seems fair.

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01-23-2011, 02:49 AM
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Why a LW? We also need a 1st line Center....

And we are likely to want players that can play on a 1st line now and help the team right away.

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Why are you guys laughing at my proposal?
Maybe because Hall's potential is much higher than Schenn's?

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What do u want from Avalanche? Gali? Stoa? Yippe?...

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01-23-2011, 03:31 AM
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Maybe because Hall's potential is much higher than Schenn's?
I said that already. Re-thinking the original deal, Schenn for Hall, maybe Toronto could add Kadri (since Gagner just won't cut it as a top line center) and Edmonton could add Smid?

So the deal would be Schenn and Kadri for Hall and Smid.

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01-23-2011, 03:34 AM
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I think you may be overrating Hall a little bit. I've watched many Oilers games this year, and I've yet to see an amazing goal by him. Most of them are just shots, tips, and garbage goals. I thought I'd see a little more out of him considering he's a finesse player. That's the concern, though: is he in the NHL to score grinder goals or nice goals? Which is why I think it's alright at this time to trade him for Schenn. Schenn isn't THAT good yet but at least he's heading more towards his career path than Hall is. You give up some defensive help to take a risk on an offensive player.
He's 19, you dont think he deserves a little more than half a season to prove his #1 draft pick pedigree?

im sure you thought stamkos was a bust after his rookie season until he lit it up last year?....hall is already having a better rookie season...just saying

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Why are you guys laughing at my proposal?

Let's face facts here:

The Leafs need more offense. They have a surplus of defense.

The Oilers need better defense. They have a surplus of young, talented forwards.

Isn't it obvious that you would swap Hall and Schenn? The Oilers wouldn't be in bad shape. They'd still have Eberle, Omark, and MPS as young forwards. Their D would be terribly better overnight and with some added depth through free agency they could make the playoffs. Same goes with the Leafs. Too many defensemen, not enough scoring forwards. They can afford to lose Schenn for Hall.
Let's fave the facts here:

The Canucks needs a fourth line center. They have a surplus of defense.

The Oilers need better defense. They have a surplus of fourth line centers.

Isn't it obvious that you would swap Fraser and Edler?. The Canucks wouldn't be in bad shape. They'd still have Hamhuis, Ballard. and Ehrhoff as Defense men. Their fourth line would terribly be better overnight and with some added depth through free agency they could go deep into the playoffs. Same goes with the Oilers. To many fourth liners, not enough defense men. They can afford to lose Edler for Fraser.


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He's 19, you dont think he deserves a little more than half a season to prove his #1 draft pick pedigree?

im sure you thought stamkos was a bust after his rookie season until he lit it up last year?....hall is already having a better rookie season...just saying
Stamkos never got the icetime that Hall is getting right now in his rookie season. There are so many other factors when comparing Stamkos to Hall that I can't believe you're making that comparison.

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Let's fave the facts here:

The Canucks needs a fourth line center. They have a surplus of defense.

The Oilers need better defense. They have a surplus of fourth line centers.

Isn't it obvious that you would swap Fraser and Edler?. The Canucks wouldn't be in bad shape. They'd still have Hamhuis, Ballard. and Ehrhoff as Defense men. Their fourth line would terribly be better overnight and with some added depth through free agency they could go deep into the playoffs. Same goes with the Oilers. To many fourth liners, not enough defense men. They can afford to lose Edler for Fraser.
I don't understand how you came up with that logic. It's nothing similar to what I was saying, and comparing the difference between Hall and Schenn to the difference between Fraser and Edler is frankly appalling. I think where you went wrong with your analogy is the needs of both teams. You are right in saying that the Canucks need a fourth line center, but that is minor compared to the Oilers need for more defense. In fact, the importance of a fourth line center is way less than having good defense. I'd say that my comparison of needing more offense and defense is much more accurate.

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Why are you guys laughing at my proposal?

Let's face facts here:

The Leafs need more offense. They have a surplus of defense.

The Oilers need better defense. They have a surplus of young, talented forwards.

Isn't it obvious that you would swap Hall and Schenn? The Oilers wouldn't be in bad shape. They'd still have Eberle, Omark, and MPS as young forwards. Their D would be terribly better overnight and with some added depth through free agency they could make the playoffs. Same goes with the Leafs. Too many defensemen, not enough scoring forwards. They can afford to lose Schenn for Hall.
You are being laughed at not because of the trade itself but who is involved. Hall's ceiling is leagues above Schenn's. Whether or not this is him being overhyped or merely a case of a slow rookie campaign is irrelevant. Edmonton would never gamble moving Hall to find in three years he could be Stamkos v2. If Schenn had the ceiling of being another Keith, Lidstorm, Doughty, Markov and etc. You have an argument but otherwise while you are addressing needs in your proposal, you are ignoring potential. Hall simply has more of it.

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01-23-2011, 05:38 AM
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As a Pens fan I'd do something around Tangradi and Kulemin.
Why would Toronto? Pens fans better be hoping to the high heavens that Tangradi becomes nearly as good as Kulemin currently is.

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01-23-2011, 09:10 AM
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since EDM is rebuilding anyway.....why not just send Hemsky to TOR for
2012' & 2013' first round picks.......

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As a Pens fan I'd do something around Tangradi and Kulemin.
You mean Jordan Staal + Tangradi + 1st 2011 for Kulemin + Bozak?

C wut I did thar (that would only let toronto LISTENING)

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Omark+Gagner for Schenn+4th
As a leafs fan.

**** YEA SEAKING.

2011-2012
1st line LW - Gagner- Kessel
CooL Lemon - Grabovski - Maca
Versteeg-Bozak-Armdog
Omark (until he's ready to be in our top six) - Kadri - Brown

Kaberle (resigned) - Ehrhoff
Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
Beauchemin/Komi-Aulie

Giggy/Gus
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Leafs need to blow it up, acquire picks and draft some LWs
They haven't figured this out yet, and are doing the exact opposite (trying to add that "final piece" to a pretty crappy team).


To Toronto: Wheeler + Paille + Stuart + Hamill


To Boston: Kaberle + 2012 1st


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Kreider, Gaborik, Drury (assuming he waives)

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Kessel, Kaberle


haha...
that'd be interesting to say the least

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Kreider, Gaborik, Drury (assuming he waives)

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Kessel, Kaberle


haha...
that'd be interesting to say the least
replace Drury with Dubinsky and the leafs will consider.

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Why would Toronto? Pens fans better be hoping to the high heavens that Tangradi becomes nearly as good as Kulemin currently is.
This

I can see Burke having interest in Tangradi (as he drafted him).

That said, it wouldn't be for Kules, possibly a deadline deal for MacArthur (if he isn't resigned)

But then again, it would most likely be Tangradi + pick for MacArthur.

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If you want Hall maybe your genius GM should have thought about those picks he traded first.
Hey, it wasn't a Leaf fan who came up with that doozie, no need to start slagging our mess in T.O., we know all about it.

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replace Drury with Dubinsky and the leafs will consider.
That's a joke, right? Toronto takes the deal as is, and runs with it.

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