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01-23-2011, 10:51 PM
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Setoguchi to Pittsburgh

Dupuis and a 2nd for Seto.

San Jose adds defense, PK ability, and Cup experience to the bottom 6 (while losing no speed or offense), and a decent pick in the draft. Pens get a prospective future scorer who wasn't living up to expectations on the Sharks.

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01-23-2011, 10:58 PM
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Seto has too much upside to be given away for Dupuis and a second. I'm not defending his poor play this season, but this is a very bad return for Seto because Dupuis is somewhat redundant in SJ and he has no upside. Gogo for Seto and the Sharks throw in a second or a mid - high prospect (greiss?). That sounds like a better deal.

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No dice.

Gogo + for Seto and even that makes me go 'meh', nothing against Gogo, just not really what the Sharks need.

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Seto has too much upside to be given away for Dupuis and a second. I'm not defending his poor play this season, but this is a very bad return for Seto because Dupuis is somewhat redundant in SJ and he has no upside. Gogo for Seto and the Sharks throw in a second or a mid - high prospect (greiss?). That sounds like a better deal.
I don't see how Dupuis would be redundant. He'd provide Cup experience to a team that's low on it, he's much better in a bottom 6 role than Setoguchi (who can't seem to produce in the top 6), and his defense could improve the Sharks' mediocre PK.

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No dice.

Gogo + for Seto and even that makes me go 'meh', nothing against Gogo, just not really what the Sharks need.
Defensemen don't get dealt for forwards who are half as productive. Gogs isn't even in the discussion.

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01-23-2011, 11:07 PM
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I don't see how Dupuis would be redundant. He'd provide Cup experience to a team that's low on it, he's much better in a bottom 6 role than Setoguchi (who can't seem to produce in the top 6), and his defense could improve the Sharks' mediocre PK.



Defensemen don't get dealt for forwards who are half as productive. Gogs isn't even in the discussion.
People aren't aware of what a realistic trade looks like on this site so don't even argue.

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01-23-2011, 11:11 PM
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I don't see how Dupuis would be redundant. He'd provide Cup experience to a team that's low on it, he's much better in a bottom 6 role than Setoguchi (who can't seem to produce in the top 6), and his defense could improve the Sharks' mediocre PK.

Defensemen don't get dealt for forwards who are half as productive. Gogs isn't even in the discussion.
Our bottom 6 is overloaded now that we picked up Wellwood and Eager so pass in general. Dupuis doesn't interest the Sharks at all.

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I don't see how Dupuis would be redundant. He'd provide Cup experience to a team that's low on it, he's much better in a bottom 6 role than Setoguchi (who can't seem to produce in the top 6), and his defense could improve the Sharks' mediocre PK.
We have enough cup experience.

Dan Boyle
Antti Niemi
Ben Eager
Niclas Wallin
Kent Huskins


Off the top of my head. And if you want to count coaches Todd won a cup with Detroit as an assistant coach.

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Our bottom 6 is overloaded now that we picked up Wellwood and Eager so pass in general. Dupuis doesn't interest the Sharks at all.
Fair enough. It's too bad they recently filled up their roster with those (albeit different) types...for all the flack Dupuis gets for being miscast as a 1st liner, he'd really be an asset for a team in need of an experienced multi-purpose 3rd line winger.

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01-23-2011, 11:28 PM
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No dice.

Gogo + for Seto and even that makes me go 'meh', nothing against Gogo, just not really what the Sharks need.
Flip the + if anything.

Setoguchi is quite risky with some seriously declining numbers the last 3 seasons.

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Flip the + if anything.

Setoguchi is quite risky with some seriously declining numbers the last 3 seasons.
We'll keep him then, no need dealing him when his value is this low.
Always figured the Pens would overpay as he'd be a great sniper on Crosby's wing. Oh well.

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01-23-2011, 11:35 PM
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Flip the + if anything.

Setoguchi is quite risky with some seriously declining numbers the last 3 seasons.
2 seasons, and last season he was injured much of the year. This year he's been bounced all over the place with Couture coming in and taking his spot.

He just needs to focus on hockey and get some consistent line mates. He'd be phenomenal with Crosby, you guys would be laughing at us for trading him. It's just a maturity issue with Seto, he'll settle down.

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01-23-2011, 11:38 PM
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Fair enough. It's too bad they recently filled up their roster with those (albeit different) types...for all the flack Dupuis gets for being miscast as a 1st liner, he'd really be an asset for a team in need of an experienced multi-purpose 3rd line winger.
See this is where you lost any argument you may have had. Why would the sharks want to give up a 1st/2nd line high ceiling winger thats value may be at an all time low but still will only be a rfa at years end for a multipurpose 3rd line winger? Especially when we could get a winger like eager for nothing more than a 5th rd pick? The 2nd is a non-issue as the sharks are looking to win now not rebuild.

When making a proposal you need to attempt to fill the needs of both teams, not just yours. What do the sharks need? A top end dman. Does your proposal give the sharks what they need? No. Therefore, why even bother making the proposal? If it doesn't meet the needs or some of the needs of both teams, then this is a value of thread not proposal.

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01-23-2011, 11:45 PM
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Pittsburgh isn't going to trade Goligoski for Setoguchi. Their defence is built perfectly for the long haul, and Gogo's multi-year deal is a big part of that. On the flip side, I don't think that San Jose makes that trade either, simply because Goligoski is not the calibre of defenceman they need. He's not a big enough upgrade over the rest of the guys they have.

That being said, I think this is an ideal opportunity for a 3-way. Pittsburgh would problably pay a fairly substantial futures price to get Setoguchi, while SJ has enough urgency to make a move to get a blueliner, and would have to clear some salary in order to get one of the calibre they need.

Maybe something like:
To Pittsburgh: Devin Setoguchi
To San Jose: Dennis Wideman
To Florida: 1st Round Pick (PIT)

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01-23-2011, 11:48 PM
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Dupuis is a terrible return for the Sharks. If he's acquired for his playoff experience, then that's stupid. His playoff stats are garbage anyway. It'd probably be more fair to trade seto for tk or talbot, but I'd rather ship tk.

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See this is where you lost any argument you may have had. Why would the sharks want to give up a 1st/2nd line high ceiling winger thats value may be at an all time low but still will only be a rfa at years end for a multipurpose 3rd line winger? Especially when we could get a winger like eager for nothing more than a 5th rd pick? The 2nd is a non-issue as the sharks are looking to win now not rebuild.

When making a proposal you need to attempt to fill the needs of both teams, not just yours. What do the sharks need? A top end dman. Does your proposal give the sharks what they need? No. Therefore, why even bother making the proposal? If it doesn't meet the needs or some of the needs of both teams, then this is a value of thread not proposal.
Because Setoguchi isn't helping them much at all this year, and Dupuis is not only a much better player than Eager, he would currently bring more to the Sharks than Setoguchi.

And like you say, the Sharks are looking to win now.

But as has already been pointed out, the acquisitions of Wellwood and Eager have created a bit of a forward glut for the Sharks.

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01-23-2011, 11:53 PM
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Because Setoguchi isn't helping them much at all this year, and Dupuis is not only a much better player than Eager, he would currently bring more to the Sharks than Setoguchi.

And like you say, the Sharks are looking to win now.

But as has already been pointed out, the acquisitions of Wellwood and Eager have created a bit of a forward glut for the Sharks.
The potential upside/current price of Setoguchi makes him pretty valuable to the Sharks.

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01-23-2011, 11:54 PM
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Dupuis is a terrible return for the Sharks. If he's acquired for his playoff experience, then that's stupid. His playoff stats are garbage anyway. It'd probably be more fair to trade seto for tk or talbot, but I'd rather ship tk.
Clearly, as a 3rd liner, he wouldn't be acquired for his stats. If you had read the thread, you'd have seen what Dupuis brings.

There's no reason to deal TK for Setoguchi.

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I wouldn't offer much for Seto for a Pens POV. Much too risky for anything of good value like Goligoski who's a guaranteed 40-45 point dman already. His defense is sub-par but paired with the right partner and the experience he'll accumulate as he gets older and he'll be fine. I want a player of less risk if Gogo is being dangled.

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The potential upside/current price of Setoguchi makes him pretty valuable to the Sharks.
That's completely understandable.

With a tentative hold on the #8 spot in a tight Western Conference though, you have to wonder how long the Sharks can afford to give a roster spot to a scoring winger who doesn't score.

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We'll keep him then, no need dealing him when his value is this low.
Always figured the Pens would overpay as he'd be a great sniper on Crosby's wing. Oh well.
He isn't a great sniper right now. He hasn't been playing well at all. The Pens aren't going to overpay for a high risk player. They will overpay for a guy they know is going to help them.

Setoguchi would be an incredibly risky acquisition because we have no idea what is plaguing him, we don't know if a change of scenery will turn him around, and because of that, the Pens won't be giving up a guy like Goligoski.

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That's completely understandable.

With a tentative hold on the #8 spot in a tight Western Conference though, you have to wonder how long the Sharks can afford to give a roster spot to a scoring winger who doesn't score.
With a lineup of Thornton, Marleau, Heatley, Boyle, etc., we should have enough to make the playoffs with or without Setoguchi. The question is, will Gogo help us in our playoff run more than Seto? Maybe, but we really wouldn't take that chance.

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With a lineup of Thornton, Marleau, Heatley, Boyle, etc., we should have enough to make the playoffs with or without Setoguchi. The question is, will Gogo help us in our playoff run more than Seto? Maybe, but we really wouldn't take that chance.
I'm not talking about Goligoski. He's not on the table for a player with as many questions surrounding him as Setoguchi.

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Definitely wouldn't deal Goligoski for Setoguchi. Goligoski is one of the better values in the NHL this year and next year based on production and points vs. salary.

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Truth is, Seto isn't worth much right now. Certainly not worth a D-Man like Goligoski that's outproduced him last year and again this year. That said, he still has potential and is worth more than a rental role player like Dupuis and a 2nd. Just no reason for the Sharks to sell low on him right now.

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That's completely understandable.

With a tentative hold on the #8 spot in a tight Western Conference though, you have to wonder how long the Sharks can afford to give a roster spot to a scoring winger who doesn't score.
??? He has 8 goals and is a 2nd/3rd liner with a 1.8MM contract who is turning it around, why wouldn't they have a spot for him?

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