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01-24-2011, 01:23 AM
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I'm just wondering what teams with a missing 2nd line center are willing to offer.
I would prefer picks over player but if someone has someone of real interest
please offfer.

Keep in mind this is a civil discussion and i'm asking for offers not for questions.
LMAO, NOW he's a 2nd line centre? When you discuss Stoll any other time, he's a 4th line scrub whose should be traded away for a bag of melted down pucks. Would you do all Kings fans a favor and just stop discussing Stoll, since you have some weird hate for him, for absolutely no good reason at all whatsoever.

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01-24-2011, 01:26 AM
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I swear it's Jaret. Maybe im going insane, since I miss him in Oil silks.

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done........ i'm surprised someone is offering a 2nd
Get real. Stoll is worth more than that. I'm surprised anyone takes you seriously in Stoll talks. I think you should be renamed the Stoll Troll, it's absolutely sickening. Stoll is the ideal 3rd line centre who can still fill in very well at 2nd line and chip in 40-50 points a season while being good at faceoffs, defensively and is a proven leader. Yeah, that'll only fetch a 2nd

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i tell you

Schenn is getting the #2 center position.
Williams and Smyth would be great mentors for him and we have to use them as loong as we can.

i also think we should consider Richardson for the 3rd center role with Simmonds and Parse as linemates.

all in all it looks like that:

XXX - Kopitar - Brown
Smyth - Schenn - Williams
Parse - Richardson - Simmonds
Clifford - Lewis - (the 4th line specialist we can get for the Stoll pick)


This would be a huge upgrade over the team we have right now.
Handzus would be traded or if he resists to waive, he will end his career on the press box. In reality he isn't teaching anything to Simmonds
Is your name Dean Lombardi or Terry Murray in real life? Because those are the only two names out there who can say for certain Brayden Schenn is getting the 2nd line centre spot at this point. It wouldn't shock me if Schenn started next year in manchester, and I think that's a greater probability than him being handed the second line centre spot.

Personally, I say Schenn starts on the wing next year and if he can earn that 2nd line centre spot, he gets it then.

As well, on what planet is Richardson better than Stoll? I like Rich too, but no way I put him on the 2nd line over Stoll, or the 3rd for that matter. And how is Handzus not teaching Simmonds, or other young players for that matter, anything? Do you watch hockey even? Handzus is one of the better defenseive forwards in the league, he's a good role model out there as well. Handzus isn't worth $4 million a year, but when has he ever let us down? He's a good role player.

I suppose next Smyth doesn't teach anyone anything either.

Lastly, how does trading Stoll for a pick, which it seems you'd like to turn around and trade for a 4th liner, help us? Stoll for a 4th liner helps us how? Why are you so obsessed with improving the fourth line by gutting the 2nd or 3rd line? How is that logical?

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I would love Stoll back on the Oilers. We need a player that can win a faceoff and the fact that Stoll can play the point on the powerplay is a bonus.

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I would love Stoll back on the Oilers. We need a player that can win a faceoff and the fact that Stoll can play the point on the powerplay is a bonus.
Call back when Kurrilino is our GM. You have him for free. We'd likely pay you a 1st to take him, while Kurrilino personally drives him to Edmonton, equipment, family and everything else.

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Get real. Stoll is worth more than that. I'm surprised anyone takes you seriously in Stoll talks. I think you should be renamed the Stoll Troll, it's absolutely sickening. Stoll is the ideal 3rd line centre who can still fill in very well at 2nd line and chip in 40-50 points a season while being good at faceoffs, defensively and is a proven leader. Yeah, that'll only fetch a 2nd
2nd round picks do have some decent value and there is no way anyone is offering up a 1st for Stoll.

Stoll is a good 3rd line player who can fill in as a 2nd liner in a pinch, he always gives an honest effort and is good defensively and is a good PK'er to go along with being a top faceoff man.

The problem with Stoll is he is wildly inconsistent offensively, this is the second straight season where he has scored 1 goal in 20 games, he has below average game sense and takes many bad offensive zone penalties. He is absolutely horrendous on the PP, but that is more a problem with Kings coaches and Stoll would probably not be a PP player on any other team in the league (atleast not first unit)

If the Kings were to unload Stoll I would prefer to get back a youngish winger more than a draft pick. Stoll could be a valuable piece to a contending team, something the Kings probably won't be before he hits UFA.

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Has Stoll done something to you, Kurri?

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2nd round picks do have some decent value and there is no way anyone is offering up a 1st for Stoll.

Stoll is a good 3rd line player who can fill in as a 2nd liner in a pinch, he always gives an honest effort and is good defensively and is a good PK'er to go along with being a top faceoff man.

The problem with Stoll is he is wildly inconsistent offensively, this is the second straight season where he has scored 1 goal in 20 games, he has below average game sense and takes many bad offensive zone penalties. He is absolutely horrendous on the PP, but that is more a problem with Kings coaches and Stoll would probably not be a PP player on any other team in the league (atleast not first unit)

If the Kings were to unload Stoll I would prefer to get back a youngish winger more than a draft pick. Stoll could be a valuable piece to a contending team, something the Kings probably won't be before he hits UFA.
Agree 110%, but LA is not trading Stoll for picks, and I don't think anyone is of the mindset that they would or should, which is why I say he's not going for a 2nd.

I also don't think SToll is our 2nd line preferred option, as I stated earlier in this thread, but he's not some piece of **** like Kurrilino seems to want the world to believe.

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Warning to Kings it is very hard to replace a great face offf man who is very good at killing penalty's who can also rifle a shot on the power play ask The Oil management

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Warning to Kings it is very hard to replace a great face offf man who is very good at killing penalty's who can also rifle a shot on the power play ask The Oil management
Tell that to Kurri. We still have faceoff problems at times WITH him...

Sure, I hate having on the point instead of JJ on the 1st pp unit(or on the point regardless), but doesn't mean i hate the guy. there is absolutely no one that can handle that 2nd line center role without going through the trade route. Schenn will take over Handzus' role(at most) next year.

BTW, Kurri is also the only one that thinks Richardson is a 2nd line center and does a hell of a better job than Stoll........

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Tell that to Kurri. We still have faceoff problems at times WITH him... Sure, I hate having on the point instead of JJ on the 1st pp unit(or on the point regardless), but doesn't mean i hate the guy. there is absolutely no one that can handle that 2nd line center role without going through the trade route. Schenn will take over Handzus' role(at most) next year.

BTW, Kurri is also the only one that thinks Richardson is a 2nd line center and does a hell of a better job than Stoll........
He is Number 5 in the League at 58.6 same as Toews he is allways ranked in the top you will not replace this

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He is Number 5 in the League at 58.6 same as Toews he is allways ranked in the top you will not replace this
My point being that WITHOUT Stoll.....we would suck REAL bad in faceoffs.

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My point being that WITHOUT Stoll.....we would suck REAL bad in faceoffs.
LOL too true. I think we definitely lose Handzus next year and Schenn gets a center spot so Stoll becomes even more important in critical situations. We keep him.

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My point being that WITHOUT Stoll.....we would suck REAL bad in faceoffs.
yep He is not a player who will not score much 5on5 but his intangibles are great very underated player I am sure lombardi has had many gm's inquire about him

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yep He is not a player who will not score much 5on5 but his intangibles are great very underated player I am sure lombardi has had many gm's inquire about him
He is an ideal 3rd line center on any team. Guy always comes hard to compete in every game. We all whine about why he's on the point, but that's the least of our worries about him. He's got a heck of a shot and is vital to our PK along with Zues.

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Now if he can just control his shots on net a little better... This way the hot dog vendors can stop wearing helmets while on duty...

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One time, never to be repeated offer (nor commented on):

Krejci, Paille, Hamill, Bodnarchuk, and McKelvie 4 Stoll, Toffoli, Teubert, and Forbort.

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One time, never to be repeated offer (nor commented on):

Krejci, Paille, Hamill, Bodnarchuk, and McKelvie 4 Stoll, Toffoli, Teubert, and Forbort.
I'm glad it won't be.

If this had been Krejci a few years ago, I likely would have strongly considered it, but his game seems to have fallen off and other than him, there's not much left to what LA gets other than some so-so prospects or borderline busts. Pass big time.

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2nd round picks do have some decent value and there is no way anyone is offering up a 1st for Stoll.

Stoll is a good 3rd line player who can fill in as a 2nd liner in a pinch, he always gives an honest effort and is good defensively and is a good PK'er to go along with being a top faceoff man.

The problem with Stoll is he is wildly inconsistent offensively, this is the second straight season where he has scored 1 goal in 20 games, he has below average game sense and takes many bad offensive zone penalties. He is absolutely horrendous on the PP, but that is more a problem with Kings coaches and Stoll would probably not be a PP player on any other team in the league (atleast not first unit)

If the Kings were to unload Stoll I would prefer to get back a youngish winger more than a draft pick. Stoll could be a valuable piece to a contending team, something the Kings probably won't be before he hits UFA.
Yet somehow he sits 23rd for goals among centers, only 2 behind Kopitar ,1 more than Thornton,same as Koivu. Hes not a goal scorer and never has been.

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Yet somehow he sits 23rd for goals among centers, only 2 behind Kopitar ,1 more than Thornton,same as Koivu. Hes not a goal scorer and never has been.
And he is not aplaymaker either.........

This is the reason why i want him removed from the roster badly.
Wherever he goes he is decreasing the production of his linemates.
Not to mention what happens to the PP.

For the guys who love his faceoff so much. The last time i checked the teams has
to put a ouck into a net.
We have to invent a new game for all of you faceoff guys. We keep hockey like it is but we remove the goals. That would be a perfect game ofr MUrray as a coach either.

If we finally can get a skilled roster with young creative player who are able to outsmart and outspeed opponents teams i'm even fine with 0% faceoff winning.

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Is your name Dean Lombardi or Terry Murray in real life? Because those are the only two names out there who can say for certain Brayden Schenn is getting the 2nd line centre spot at this point. It wouldn't shock me if Schenn started next year in manchester, and I think that's a greater probability than him being handed the second line centre spot.

Personally, I say Schenn starts on the wing next year and if he can earn that 2nd line centre spot, he gets it then.

As well, on what planet is Richardson better than Stoll? I like Rich too, but no way I put him on the 2nd line over Stoll, or the 3rd for that matter. And how is Handzus not teaching Simmonds, or other young players for that matter, anything? Do you watch hockey even? Handzus is one of the better defenseive forwards in the league, he's a good role model out there as well. Handzus isn't worth $4 million a year, but when has he ever let us down? He's a good role player.

I suppose next Smyth doesn't teach anyone anything either.

Lastly, how does trading Stoll for a pick, which it seems you'd like to turn around and trade for a 4th liner, help us? Stoll for a 4th liner helps us how? Why are you so obsessed with improving the fourth line by gutting the 2nd or 3rd line? How is that logical?
So what is Handzus teaching Simmonds ???????
Simmonds is on pace for 29 points and -5
That is a disaster for Simmonds skillset. He will be one of the players we will complain about in the future about he had all of the skills but somehow didn't develope into the player we all wanted. Like all of our youngsters.

For Smyth i would really like to know what he is teaching the Kinds.
He has 0 creativity and if it comes to shoot or pass he is well below league avarage.
Smyth is all about wrap arounds and his production i coming from Williams.
I don't know why Williams is such an underrated player but if you think a Stoll trade will hurt us, just wait what happens to the team if Lombardi isn't able to sign Williams to a new contract.

That brings me to Richardson. I really have a hard time to believe that the people are so blind if it comes to a skilled playmaking center. Underrated wouldn't even be the right word for him.
He is fast have soft hands great hockey vision and very good passing skills.
Exactly what we miss at the 2nd line.
Why this poor guys has to grind at the 4th line with Westgarth is way beyond me.
He gives 100% and beyond every game and is doing whatever you ask him to do.

This talent handling is the reason why the Kings have won absolutely nothing in their whole franchise.
The only time when we were close to winning something was with a skilled roster.
Why this fact is totally ignored in this ranchise makes absolutely no sense to mee.

The Handzus and Stoll players are pre lockout NHL'ers.
The new NHL asks for skillsets like Simmonds and Clifford as 4th liners.
Don't underestimate the 4th line as powerfull tool. Just ask the late 90's-2002 Red Wings. Their 4th lien had a lot to do with cup winning

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And he is not aplaymaker either.........

This is the reason why i want him removed from the roster badly.
Wherever he goes he is decreasing the production of his linemates.
Not to mention what happens to the PP.


For the guys who love his faceoff so much. The last time i checked the teams has
to put a ouck into a net.
We have to invent a new game for all of you faceoff guys. We keep hockey like it is but we remove the goals. That would be a perfect game ofr MUrray as a coach either.

If we finally can get a skilled roster with young creative player who are able to outsmart and outspeed opponents teams i'm even fine with 0% faceoff winning.
So whose production has gone down because of Stoll? And what exactly happens to the PP because of Stoll?

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stoll is so underrated, when him and greene were traded the oilers pk went from top 5 to bottom 5.

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As a Hawks fan, I'd give a 1st and a 4th for him.

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