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01-24-2011, 02:57 AM
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Flames Rebuild

Ok so Flames fans look at our team its old and were at the Cap limit and were not in the top 8 time to blow it up!

Untouchables-
Bouwmeester (Right deal needs to come by)
Giordano
Borque
Backlund

Trade-able assets-
Regher
Tanguay
Sarich
Hagman
Stajan
Jokinen
Iginla
Glencross
Moss
Babchuk

Non-Tradable but we can try....
Kotalik
Staios
Kostopolous
Kipprusoff (Cap hit is too high and hasn't been performing well)

So If the Flames were looking to blow it up who would go first? I believe most of these guys would only fetch 2nd rnd pick and c prospect at most for someone like Hagman for example.

Which teams could use one of these very very very talented second liners?

Make your offers!

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01-24-2011, 03:30 AM
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I love the reruns. I'll just skip a few days and fast foward to flames fans shooting down iginla proposals or asking for the toronto 1st. I'll splash a dab of lighter fluid though...





Iginla


for


(1) Chris Drury
(1) John Vanbiesbrouk signed goalie stick
(1) hot dog from street vendor on 7th Ave.
(1) moist towlette
(1) bag of marijuana signed by Stephon Marbury
(1) official program from the Tribeca Film Festival 2006 signed by Martin Scorsese "to Jennifer"
(1) map of the New York Port Authority
(1) mezzanine ticket to the Day 1 Night Session of the 2011 U.S. Open


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01-24-2011, 03:30 AM
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Ok so Flames fans look at our team its old and were at the Cap limit and were not in the top 8 time to blow it up!

Untouchables-
Bouwmeester (Right deal needs to come by)
Giordano
Borque
Backlund

Trade-able assets-
Regher
Tanguay
Sarich
Hagman
Stajan
Jokinen
Iginla
Glencross
Moss
Babchuk

Non-Tradable but we can try....
Kotalik
Staios
Kostopolous
Kipprusoff (Cap hit is too high and hasn't been performing well)

So If the Flames were looking to blow it up who would go first? I believe most of these guys would only fetch 2nd rnd pick and c prospect at most for someone like Hagman for example.

Which teams could use one of these very very very talented second liners?

Make your offers!
pretty sure Kipper is moveable he's a top 10 goalie in the NHL EASILY and could even be top 5

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01-24-2011, 03:38 AM
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Ok so Flames fans look at our team its old and were at the Cap limit and were not in the top 8 time to blow it up!

Untouchables-
Bouwmeester (Right deal needs to come by)
Giordano
Borque
Backlund

Trade-able assets-
Regher
Tanguay
Sarich
Hagman
Stajan
Jokinen
Iginla
Glencross
Moss
Babchuk

Non-Tradable but we can try....
Kotalik
Staios
Kostopolous
Kipprusoff (Cap hit is too high and hasn't been performing well)

So If the Flames were looking to blow it up who would go first? I believe most of these guys would only fetch 2nd rnd pick and c prospect at most for someone like Hagman for example.

Which teams could use one of these very very very talented second liners?

Make your offers!

To Canucks:
Morrison + Tanguay

To Flames:
2011 1st round draft pick + 2011 5th round draft pick


This will give the Canucks an option for their 3rd/4th line + a playmaking winger for Kesler. Both Tanguay and Morrison's salary is cheap enough for the Canucks to absorb.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Tanguay-Kesler-Hansen/Samuelsson
Raymond-Morrison-Hansen/Samuelsson
Torres-Malholtra-Glass

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01-24-2011, 03:42 AM
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I love the reruns. I'll just skip a few days and fast foward to flames fans shooting down iginla proposals or asking for the toronto 1st. I'll splash a dab of lighter fluid though...





Iginla


for


(1) Chris Drury
(1) John Vanbiesbrouk signed goalie stick
(1) hot dog from street vendor on 7th Ave.
(1) moist towlette
(1) bag of marijuana signed by Stephon Marbury
(1) official program from the Tribeca Film Festival 2006 signed by Martin Scorsese "to Jennifer"
(1) map of the New York Port Authority


thats incredible...yeah i really hope "krejci, toronto 1st and colborne for iginla and regehr wont show up for the 25387147th time

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01-24-2011, 03:53 AM
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We just have to wait for that Boston Proposal

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01-24-2011, 03:55 AM
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To Canucks:
Morrison + Tanguay

To Flames:
2011 1st round draft pick + 2011 5th round draft pick


This will give the Canucks an option for their 3rd/4th line + a playmaking winger for Kesler. Both Tanguay and Morrison's salary is cheap enough for the Canucks to absorb.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Tanguay-Kesler-Hansen/Samuelsson
Raymond-Morrison-Hansen/Samuelsson
Torres-Malholtra-Glass
I'm pretty sure Flames fans will do this but not sure about Canuck fans both Tanguay and Morrison expires at the end of the season

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01-24-2011, 03:59 AM
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Glencross for 3rd rd pick. That is all.

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Tanguay for Pittsburgh's 2nd

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Does Hagman play a good two-way game? If he does I wouldn't mind The Ducks trade their 2nd rounder for him. I think he might be a good fit with Koivu on the 3rd line next year.

What would you want for Regehr? He's a guy I'd like to see on our defense.

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thats incredible...yeah i really hope "krejci, toronto 1st and colborne for iginla and regehr wont show up for the 25387147th time
Pretty sure we could get Wheeler, Hamill, Colborne, Boston's 1st, Toronto's first, Boston's 2nd and Boston's 3rd for Iginla.

Or maybe we just give you an injured Raitis Ivanans instead. I'd prefer the latter. It's pretty fair.

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01-24-2011, 09:10 AM
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Babchuk for Stralman/Hejda + 3rd

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My only question with the Flames rebuild is how much leway Jay Feaster is going to get to do his thing.

I don't think he would be allowed to Iginla or Kipper until the off-season, if at all.

Guys like Hagman, Glencross and Sarich could all be moved without too much approval from Ken King.


Hagman would actually look good in Anaheim. Glencross could go somewhere like Carolina or Buffalo who are both on the border of playoffs. Sarich would be tough to move but might be suited for a NYR or NYI?

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01-24-2011, 09:17 AM
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To Canucks:
Morrison + Tanguay

To Flames:
2011 1st round draft pick + 2011 5th round draft pick


This will give the Canucks an option for their 3rd/4th line + a playmaking winger for Kesler. Both Tanguay and Morrison's salary is cheap enough for the Canucks to absorb.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Tanguay-Kesler-Hansen/Samuelsson
Raymond-Morrison-Hansen/Samuelsson
Torres-Malholtra-Glass
Vancouver's first round draft pick very likely isn't in play, with Vancouver not having a draft pick till the fifth round last year. Otherwise, I think Tanguay is an adequate player, but certainly not a guy to push you over the top. Doesn't he have a NMC anyway? Morrison is just bad, and I wouldn't want him anywhere near the team at this point in his career.

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Vancouver's first round draft pick very likely isn't in play, with Vancouver not having a draft pick till the fifth round last year. Otherwise, I think Tanguay is an adequate player, but certainly not a guy to push you over the top. Doesn't he have a NMC anyway? Morrison is just bad, and I wouldn't want him anywhere near the team at this point in his career.
I really dont think that Morrisson is bad. He has been playing pretty well this season, especially given his cap hit. He will likely be moved at the deadline as any team (cap or salary) can acquire him and barely pay him any thing at all.

Given the Cancuks' depth, he may not fit well there as he would be a 4th line C, but I could see a team like Nashville having some interest in an experienced Centreman who is actually very multi-dimensional. From playing with younger players on the third line, to recently being a good fit with Iginla on the top line

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pretty sure Kipper is moveable he's a top 10 goalie in the NHL EASILY and could even be top 5
<Tim Thomas
<Cam Ward
<Jonas Hiller
<MA Fleury
<Rob Luongo
<Jaro Halak
<Ondrej Pavelic at times
<Carey Price

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<Tim Thomas - agreed. Obviously
<Cam Ward - sure. I think they are the same level, but sure.
<Jonas Hiller - vezina runner up competitor for Lundqvist
<MA Fleury - no. Just no.
<Rob Luongo - you could make an argument about playoffs, but I'll digress.
<Jaro Halak - you do know he isn't standing on his head anymore right?
<Ondrej Pavelic at times - not yet.
<Carey Price - one half of a good season does not trump many.
Even with the ones you listed, and the ones I disagreed with, he's still top ten no?

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Even with the ones you listed, and the ones I disagreed with, he's still top ten no?
Not with his horrible numbers, age and massive contract.

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Not with his horrible numbers, age and massive contract.
Since you know, playing for a terrible team won't affect your numbers at all....

Typical HF stats fan.

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Even with the ones you listed, and the ones I disagreed with, he's still top ten no?
Kari Lehtonen has also been better this season
Tukka Rask has more value
Pekke Rinne, I left him out
Maybe Tomas Vokun, probably not
Henrik Lundqvist
Nabokov would also be, considering the Islanders move him
I also forgot Ilya Bryzgalov
Some people would argue Cory Schnieder in Vancouver may have more value right now
Jon Quick/Jon Bernier also.


This is based on this season.

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Why is Backlund untouchable? Just because he's young? There's little indication that he'll ever become more than an average to above average 2nd line center. If you can get a good deal for him I'd think you'd move him without hesitation. Unless I'm really missing something.

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I also left out Nicklas Backstrom



I'd seriously put Kipprusoff in a category with guys like JS Gigeure and Brian Boucer for similar value.


So my final list of goalies with higher value than Kipprusoff:

Tim Thomas
Pekke Rinne
Henrik Lundqvist
Tuukka Rask
Jonas Hiller
Tomas Vokun
Rob Luongo
Cam Ward
MA Fleury
Ilya Bryzgalov
Jonathan Quick
Ryan Miller
Carey Price
Jaroslav Halak
Nicklas Backstrom



All of these guys dominate Kipper in GAA SAV% ans wins this year.

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Ok so Flames fans look at our team its old and were at the Cap limit and were not in the top 8 time to blow it up!

Untouchables-
Bouwmeester (Right deal needs to come by) Very touchable
Giordano - You got one right
Borque Very touchable
Backlund

Trade-able assets-
Regher
Tanguay
Sarich
Hagman
Stajan
Jokinen
Iginla
Glencross
Moss
Babchuk

Non-Tradable but we can try....
Kotalik
Staios
Kostopolous Very easy to trade
Kipprusoff (Cap hit is too high and hasn't been performing well) ???? Really?

So If the Flames were looking to blow it up who would go first? I believe most of these guys would only fetch 2nd rnd pick and c prospect at most for someone like Hagman for example.

Which teams could use one of these very very very talented second liners?

Make your offers!
You make this post as we just beat the 2 top teams in the west, and are 5 points back form 8th seed? Im not saying the flames are going to make the playoffs, but poor timing on your part.

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Since you know, playing for a terrible team won't affect your numbers at all....

Typical HF stats fan.
They will, but when your numbers are as god awful as his are, something is wrong. He is not a top 10 goalie in the world anymore.

For example. Luongo was a top 10 goalie in the world when playing for Florida. At that time, one of the worst teams in the league. He consistently had a save % over .915. Kipper is what? Below .900 still? That is totally unacceptable for a guy with his contract. Bad team or not. Top 10 goalies steal games when a team is playing like garbage, not blame their awful numbers on them.

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You make this post as we just beat the 2 top teams in the west, and are 5 points back form 8th seed? Im not saying the flames are going to make the playoffs, but poor timing on your part.
This is where Flames are what we call "INCONSISTENT" If we keep doing this win 2 games lose 3 games then its not going to work.

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