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01-24-2011, 01:51 PM
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Raymond+Ballard

Recently as we all know Raymond hasn't played up to par, making him expandable IMO. Ballard on the other hand hasn't been given a fair chance with the Canucks this season IMO. I'm not saying these two will be traded, just trying to see what kind of value these two would garner around the league.

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01-24-2011, 01:57 PM
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I don't think we should trade them when one's value is at a considerably low level and the other's value is at an all-time low for himself after just being shipped here no less.

I know we haven't had a lot of playoff success, and that's why people seem to expect huge things from him this April, but I think trading Samuelsson might be a start, but I still don't see it happening. I think management will let the team work out it's funk.

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01-24-2011, 02:00 PM
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I don't think we should trade them when one's value is at a considerably low level and the other's value is at an all-time low for himself after just being shipped here no less.

I know we haven't had a lot of playoff success, and that's why people seem to expect huge things from him this April, but I think trading Samuelsson might be a start, but I still don't see it happening. I think management will let the team work out it's funk.
You make valid points. I also agree with rather moving Samuelsson instead of Raymond but like you mentioned, he's the only player on the team with a cup ring and was are leading goal scorer in the playoffs last spring IIRC.

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01-24-2011, 02:01 PM
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Keep Ballard, he will be key depth come playoff time.

Raymond should be packaged along with a prospect for a winger that can create space for Kesler on the 2nd line.

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Keep Ballard, he will be key depth come playoff time.

Raymond should be packaged along with a prospect for a winger that can create space for Kesler on the 2nd line.
Would Penner be available from the Oilers?

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Would Penner be available from the Oilers?
Honestly, I would rather give up Hemsky. But yes Penner would be available for the right price, not straight up for Mason though.

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Keep Ballard, he will be key depth come playoff time.

Raymond should be packaged along with a prospect for a winger that can create space for Kesler on the 2nd line.
What is the status of Trent Hunter. Will he return this year. I would like to see him on the 2nd line with Kelser if he is healthy.

Hunter + 3rd for Raymond + 5th

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Pens offer 1st + Max Talbot to fill Nucks need for 4th line centre for Raymond. Has Raymond played much RW?

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Nah Gillis and Tambellini trash talk to eachother, they'll never make a move unfortunately.

But it does make sense to put Penner on Kesler's line....

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The only way I see Raymond being dealt is in a move that puts Vancouver over the top (ex. Alfredsson).

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Honestly, I would rather give up Hemsky. But yes Penner would be available for the right price, not straight up for Mason though.
Yep, that wouldn't even work cap wise for the Canucks.

To
Dustin Penner
Kurtis Foster

Total:6.05 Million

To
Mason Raymond
Keith Ballard

Total:6.75 Million


Edit- But like HemskeyToHall mentioned I doubt Tambo and MG ever trade together.

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What is the status of Trent Hunter. Will he return this year. I would like to see him on the 2nd line with Kelser if he is healthy.

Hunter + 3rd for Raymond + 5th
Trent Hunter is not worth Raymond, remove Raymond and the 3rd and it's an even trade.

I'm thinking something along the lines of David Booth, Daniel Alfredsson, Dustin Penner, etc.

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01-24-2011, 02:12 PM
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Yep, that wouldn't even work cap wise for the Canucks.

To
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Kurtis Foster

Total:6.05 Million

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Keith Ballard

Total:6.75 Million
I'd take this to be honest.

Why is Ballard the scapegoat, he played pretty well when the Oilers played Edmonton.

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I'd take this to be honest.

Why is Ballard the scapegoat, he played pretty well when the Oilers played Edmonton.
It's not that he's been bad, it's just that AV hasn't given him nearly as much minutes, for example last game against Calgary when Bieksa wen't down early in the 2 nd, AV played Ehrhoff for 33 minutes, while only playing Ballard for under 20.

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Give him a break, he's been injured and they are making sure he's 100% for the playoffs.

Quote this and laugh at me later, but I think he'll be the best Canucks defenseman in the playoffs.

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01-24-2011, 02:21 PM
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Give him a break, he's been injured and they are making sure he's 100% for the playoffs.

Quote this and laugh at me later, but I think he'll be the best Canucks defenseman in the playoffs.
I agree. We have a bunch of over-reactors in our fanbase.

Raymond + pick for a 2nd line winger who can take the puck to the net would be great.

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I agree. We have a bunch of over-reactors in our fanbase.

Raymond + pick for a 2nd line winger who can take the puck to the net would be great.
The problem is you need a guy who is making less then Raymond in order to make it work.

You are not going to find many players better the him for less the 2.5 mil that considered tradable.

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The problem is you need a guy who is making less then Raymond in order to make it work.

You are not going to find many players better the him for less the 2.5 mil that considered tradable.
Some wingers that fit the mold

Matt Moulson
Blake Wheeler
Ryan Callahan
Eric Cole
James Neal
Andrew Ladd

Out of all of these I think Matt Moulson is the most realistic. Would Raymond + a 3rd be an overpayment or does that sound about right?

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Why is Ballard the scapegoat, he played pretty well when the Oilers played Edmonton.
He hasn't played big minutes so some Canucks fans want to replace him with someone who doesn't deserve to play big minutes.

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I agree. We have a bunch of over-reactors in our fanbase.

Raymond + pick for a 2nd line winger who can take the puck to the net would be great.
It's really annoying. Good example re: Bieksa. You got the 20 or so people that say he sucks and should be traded over-reacting. Then you have 10 or so people vehemently defending Bieksa and then proceed to throw Ballard under the bus. Really stupid.

Anyways, going back to actual talk, I think Penner would be a great addition to the Canucks but you have to know what exactly we are giving up in a Raymond or a Ballard. The latter being harder to evaluate, but Raymond's had quite the intriguing year (in a bad way).

Then the addition of Foster, though for a great price maybe a little redundant with shots like Salo or Edler from the point, but what exactly does Foster bring to the table because I haven't seen that much of him. Would we be getting a MA Bergeron whose strengths are his shot and PP capabilities and that's it? Or does he offer something else in his game be it physical, strong defensively or a great teammate or a playoff warrior.

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I would have to sit down and think hard about Raymond and Ballard (and a prospect or pick or something) for Penner and Smid.

Penner and Foster is not enticing.

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Ballard 6 YRS $25,200,000 with a limited NTC. Good luck moving that thing.

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Even members of opposing fan-bases seem to realize how ridiculous it would be to trade Ballard; yet we actually have a contingent of Canucks fans who want to trade him for some reason. It would be a very 'un-Gillis' like move, however; so I don't think there is much chance Ballard is actually moved at all (especially considering he's relatively young, durable, and on an extended contract when we have Bieksa, Salo, and possibly Ehrhoff becoming UFA's this off-season).

Raymond could definitely be available; seems like a guy who could use a change of scenery and as mentioned we could use some more size alongside Kesler.

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Some wingers that fit the mold

Matt Moulson
Blake Wheeler
Ryan Callahan
Eric Cole
James Neal
Andrew Ladd


Out of all of these I think Matt Moulson is the most realistic. Would Raymond + a 3rd be an overpayment or does that sound about right?
the only 2 guys I would consider, BUT Ladd is the Captain in Atlanta, and Neal is MOrrow v. 2.0....and is massively overrated on HFboards....I like him, but some would say Raymond and a 2nd for Neal, which is overpayment in my books.

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Ballard 6 YRS $25,200,000 with a limited NTC. Good luck moving that thing.
Only those in the media want to.

Ballard will be fine!

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