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01-27-2011, 01:27 PM
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thoughts toward a big deal

Haven't fully considered this, and I'd like some feedback as the idea is developed:

What about something along the lines of:

Gaborik + Girardi + Talbot + X
for
Seabrook + Sharp + Y

Basic thought:
Girardi is not as complete as Seabrook but he will do the whole D thing and not embarrass at getting the puck to the offense. Talbot is a good G prospect, CBH may want options in that regard. CBH have ample D prospects in their system.
Gaborik is inconsistent, but he's still a bonafide sniper w/a shot and may well ignite with change of scenery. Losing Sharp hurts, and that's part of what has to be worked out.

for NYR
upgrade at D
another solid two way C

The ? is how much more, in players and swap of picks, do NYR have to give to make this appealing to CBH.

Don't overpay. That's easy.
Try to figure out what is fair value, and then what do you add to that which is enticing enough, on balance, to induce Hawks to say yes...

Thanks in advance for your feedback, particularly any analytical input...

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01-27-2011, 01:35 PM
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Haven't fully considered this, and I'd like some feedback as the idea is developed:

What about something along the lines of:

Gaborik + Girardi + Talbot + X
for
Seabrook + Sharp + Y

Basic thought:
Girardi is not as complete as Seabrook but he will do the whole D thing and not embarrass at getting the puck to the offense. Talbot is a good G prospect, CBH may want options in that regard. CBH have ample D prospects in their system.
Gaborik is inconsistent, but he's still a bonafide sniper w/a shot and may well ignite with change of scenery. Losing Sharp hurts, and that's part of what has to be worked out.

for NYR
upgrade at D
another solid two way C

The ? is how much more, in players and swap of picks, do NYR have to give to make this appealing to CBH.

Don't overpay. That's easy.
Try to figure out what is fair value, and then what do you add to that which is enticing enough, on balance, to induce Hawks to say yes...

Thanks in advance for your feedback, particularly any analytical input...
I'll be honest I don't think that CBH are going to move Sharp with the way he's been playing.I think we missed the boat by not getting him in the off-season when he was available(for cap reason).Seabrook may go for the right package but something tells me CBH are going to be buyers not sellers(as in expiring contracts).

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Terrible trade for the Rangers.

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Don't think the Hawks need another RW'er. They have Hossa and Kane playing on the RW if i'm not mistaken.

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Sharp and Seabrook have a combined cap hit of 7.4 mil.

Gaborik's cap hit is 7.5 mil. Chicago doesn't have the cap space to take on Girardi's cap hit.

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Seabrook is a great player, but why the need to disrupt the chemistry between Staal and Girardi? They know each other, they know the system, and they are excellent together. So yes, Seabrook is better than Girardi, but who's to say Seabrook and Staal will be better than Girardi and Staal?


Also, if Gaborik is to be traded I think a superstar needs to be coming back, or a bigger player than Sharp is.

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What do the Rangers do with another center?

Seabrook also becomes one more player they need to re-sign this offseason.

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Haven't fully considered this, and I'd like some feedback as the idea is developed:

What about something along the lines of:

Gaborik + Girardi + Talbot + X
for
Seabrook + Sharp + Y

Basic thought:
Girardi is not as complete as Seabrook but he will do the whole D thing and not embarrass at getting the puck to the offense. Talbot is a good G prospect, CBH may want options in that regard. CBH have ample D prospects in their system.
Gaborik is inconsistent, but he's still a bonafide sniper w/a shot and may well ignite with change of scenery. Losing Sharp hurts, and that's part of what has to be worked out.

for NYR
upgrade at D
another solid two way C

The ? is how much more, in players and swap of picks, do NYR have to give to make this appealing to CBH.

Don't overpay. That's easy.
Try to figure out what is fair value, and then what do you add to that which is enticing enough, on balance, to induce Hawks to say yes...

Thanks in advance for your feedback, particularly any analytical input...

All JOKING aside...this trade does not help the rangers. Yeah Seabrook is a nice player, but is it really worth it to get him so we can have a slight upgrade over Girardi while dealing Gaborik, our only "bonafide sniper" as you claim even if he is having an off year.

The answer is its not. Sharp is a good player too but you dont get players of gaborik's caliber very often. I'd rather have him and his off year than sharp having a good year.

Now if we were getting Seabrook back for say Gilroy, Top prospect, and a higher round pick I'd be willing to talk. But thats pretty unlikely chicago would do that. The point is I'd take seabrook in a case where we are keeping girardi and just adding Seabrook to the 6 DMen.

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SUPREME LINE?

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SUPREME LINE?
If for the right price kovy could be pried + bundled w/Gabby + to get Malkin/J Staal plus for us, then yeah, I'd give Pens that "supreme line".

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I'll be honest I don't think that CBH are going to move Sharp with the way he's been playing.I think we missed the boat by not getting him in the off-season when he was available(for cap reason).Seabrook may go for the right package but something tells me CBH are going to be buyers not sellers(as in expiring contracts).
Agree. However, in light of even tighter cap there, possibility of
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After seeing how bad Redden is without Chara, I want no part of Seabrook without Keith, thank you very much.

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Does anyone really think Gaborik is going to be part of a trade?

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Gaborik + Girardi + Talbot + X
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HELLS NO

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Does anyone really think Gaborik is going to be part of a trade?
Unless Malkin is involved ... no

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Absolutely not.

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So trade what we lack (scoring) for what we DONT need, a solid center, we need a top top center if we are going to aquire one.

All of these trade Girardi and Gaborik ideas are almost ridiculous. They aren't going anywhere.

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let this team get healthy and make a run they dont need any trades right now

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If for the right price kovy could be pried + bundled w/Gabby + to get Malkin/J Staal plus for us, then yeah, I'd give Pens that "supreme line".
Good stuff...

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Yea we need a first line center and a veteran d-man, but some of the speculation trades people make on this freakin site are ridiculous things THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. 90% of the time they mention players that arent even available. Nobody on the current rangers roster should go anywhere, except for maybe drury and well is 100% UNMOVABLE. Cally will wear the C soon enough anyway, with duby and staal with the A's.

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gaborik + McDounah + WSH 2nd round pick

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A big deal may not be this deal but if there's a front line center (Sharp, Richards, Getzlaf etc.) available anywhere in the NHL, you can probably be sure that the Rangers will be in the mix.

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A big deal may not be this deal but if there's a front line center (Sharp, Richards, Getzlaf etc.) available anywhere in the NHL, you can probably be sure that the Rangers will be in the mix.
I can't see why the Hawks would want to trade Sharp. He's one of the most underrated players in the league. An absolute beast defensevly and a quality offensive player who can create for himself and for others. Getzlaf isn't going anywhere, either.

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I'll be honest I don't think that CBH are going to move Sharp with the way he's been playing.I think we missed the boat by not getting him in the off-season when he was available(for cap reason).Seabrook may go for the right package but something tells me CBH are going to be buyers not sellers(as in expiring contracts).
As I had started to say, agree, although they must have wanted a lot even then for Sharp, considering the moves they made to keep him.

I don't value Seabrook as high as some thinking of him as good as Marc Staal --- possibly and arguably the best shut down D in the league.
However, he is better all around and an upgrade to Girardi.
Seabrook is no Brian Leetch, but probably can help QB our power play --- worth a shot.

Agree they'd want more, the questions are: do we want to move the core principals, and if yes, how much [slight, non-massive] overpayment is enough to induce Chicago to do the deal.

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Don't think the Hawks need another RW'er. They have Hossa and Kane playing on the RW if i'm not mistaken.
It's my understanding they have been switching Sharp around, although yeah, primarily he's a C.
Don't think they'd be against off wing.
Also, if Gabs does catch fire for a year or so, he's a cheaper option [total size of deal/# of years] than Hossa, if they want to move him and his larger contract, right?

But good point.
I'm just thinking aloud outside the box...

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