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Chris Drury for Jeff Finger and Brett Lebda(June 2011)

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01-30-2011, 07:59 PM
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I am not getting into the Kadri/Kreider debate but don't be an idiot, AHL is FAR superior to the NCAA, cut out the "if" bull****.
Yeah, Kadri has also been ahead from a development standpoint from the get go, playing in the CHL when Kreider was still playing prep-school hockey.

This is the classic case of the more "sure, but not too overly attractive" option vs the "project, with homerun potential" option.

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01-31-2011, 07:09 AM
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Yeah, Kadri has also been ahead from a development standpoint from the get go, playing in the CHL when Kreider was still playing prep-school hockey.

This is the classic case of the more "sure, but not too overly attractive" option vs the "project, with homerun potential" option.
Which one is better?

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If the Rangers buy out Drury this summer I'd take him. He'd be cheaper than Moore (if we don't re-sign Dom) and we just bump Thompson up to 3rd line center and put Drury as the 4th. We basically have two 3rd line centers this season with Thompson and Moore's play.

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01-31-2011, 07:38 AM
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Boyout, retirement, LTIR, trade options that aren't ********, letting the guy play out for 5m against a 7.05 cap, trading him to a team that needs to hit the floor, etc, etc.

Lets not pretend we're stuck here. We're as stuck as Toronto is likely to make the playoffs.
Buyout is your only real option. Teams that want to get the cap floor still want players who can contribute... Drury's decline has been pretty evident the past few years, he has what 4 assists this year? NYR can keep him.. or buy him out

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01-31-2011, 07:43 AM
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What the cap on veteran players? Because there is no salary cap in the AHL.
Last I heard ... the AHL had a salary cap of 10 million. Preventing teams from burying players in the minors all season long, and bringing them up for the playoffs... Also helps prevent cap miss-management because you can only hide so many problem contracts (Redden, Finger.. I'm sure there are more)

Edit.. actually I am wrong. I just checked again.. and apparently they do not. My mistake.

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01-31-2011, 07:51 AM
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Sure they are. Kadri is the better one.
They play two completely different games, in two completly different leagues, and all your doing is comparing stats, their merly incomparable at the levels they are at right now.

Sorry, try again.

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Like we did with Gomez?

How short minded people are.
Sather has moved so many contracts without moving a #1 pick/young roster player/top prospect.

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Horrible proposal. Drury is done.
Aren't you the same guy who wrote the Rangers should Redden Drury when they can't?

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They play two completely different games, in two completly different leagues, and all your doing is comparing stats, their merly incomparable at the levels they are at right now.

Sorry, try again.
Exactly. It's moronic to compare them right now.

Now to the trade. The Leafs have no interest in doing this without compensation coming the other way. The only reason we would think of taking on Drury, is if were getting something worthwhile coming back.

The salary is a wash. The Leafs and Rangers hardly care about it. The cap hit is the big issue. Obviously moving a higher cap hit like Drury is beneficial to the Rangers. Losing Drury allows them spend that cap hit elsewhere, which more than likely means Brad Richards.

Drury is not a top 6 player and hasn't been for years. Suggesting he would be on the Leafs makes no sense. He would be our third line center. If Burke thought Drury would be a good fit, and he could move a high cap hit player like Komisarek, he could might do it. The cost to the Rangers would be a pick or nice prospect, otherwise their would be no reason for Burke to do this, unless equal cap hits were moving in both directions. He has no reason to take on more cap space for a third line center, when a third line center could be signed in the offseason for so much less. The only way Drury is leaving the Rangers, is a buyout or if they pay a team off.

Taking on Drury does more than just get rid of the cap hit. It would actually benefit the Ranger's pursuit of Richards (assuming they would be going after him). They hand off cap space to a team that is very likely, also in pursuit of him. Thus that teams chances would be hurt.

So really the trade would be more than Drury and a 2nd for Komisarek. It would actually be Drury and a 2nd (arbitrary compensation here) for Komisarek and the Leaf's chances at Richards.

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This is retarted to really try to continue with this trade proposal. We all know that regardless of what we all think about drury having no market and all, is retarted. No matter what anyone says players of the past that Sather has signed to bad contracts and who have underperformed HAVE BEEN TRADED. Sather has gotten rid of players such as Kotalik, Gomez, Redden, and more and yet everyone still believes nothing can be done. Im not saying he will be traded to the leafs or even at the deadline, but i do believe something will be done about him before next season. Everyone is making him out to be this immovable player with the worst contract in the nhl when well it really isnt that bad. He is a guy who gives it his all and does anything he can to help the team, and his contract yes is 7m but is over at the end of next season and would be a huge cap relief on any team for the upcomming season if dealt before free agency. Sather will figure out what to do with him and free the capspace.

Besides the rangers have other ways that they can free capspace, and with the development of Stepan, Anisimov, and Boyle who knows if we are still going after Brad Richards.

No offense to Maple Leaf fans, id love to have you guys be competitive again but lets face it, your not a playoff team, and i doubt Richards would choose to go to a team that doesnt have a chance to make it far in the playoffs. Hell either sign back with Dallas or with a team that has a legit chance to make some noise.

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No matter what anyone says players of the past that Sather has signed to bad contracts and who have underperformed HAVE BEEN TRADED. Sather has gotten rid of players such as Kotalik, Gomez, Redden,
He wasn't able to trade Redden.

And though Drury does try, unless he starts looking like a 3rd line center who can score 30-35points a season he's not tradeable even if he's willing to be moved.

Right now he looks like a 4th line center and pker at best.

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The Leaf guys want Drury so much. You can have him. Drury to the Leafs for Jeff Finger. Expiring contract for expiring contract. $5M in salary for $3.5M in salary. MLSE can afford the extra $1.5M. Not qualifying John Mitchell and not re-signing Fredrik Sjostrom gives them that $1.5M. Drury is an upgrade over the garbage TO has at forward. Instead of paying Finger $3.5M to play for the Marlies,an extra $1.5M gets them a top 9 forward. The cap is going up by $3M. The free agent forward market is thin. Brad Richards will be a Leaf only if he wants to chase every last dollar which doesn't seem to be the case. Brian Burke and Ron Wilson can work some of the Team USA magic and sell Drury on playing for the Leafs.

No Drury for Mike Komisarek proposals. No proposals with the Rangers including a top prospect,young roster player or #1 pick.

Drury for Finger.
You really think Drury would waive his NMC to go to Toronto?

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He wasn't able to trade Redden.

And though Drury does try, unless he starts looking like a 3rd line center who can score 30-35points a season he's not tradeable even if he's willing to be moved.

Right now he looks like a 4th line center and pker at best.

Doesnt matter if he was able to trade redden or not, his ass is in the AHL, not taking up capspace during the season and hes even been a very positive force for the young upcomming defensmen for the Rangers.

You can say Drury isnt tradeable all you want. the guy has 1 year left on his contract not like Redden with 4 left, is tradeable just like gomez, kotalik, and higgins was tradeable. I love how all you guys say that players are untradeable and yet they still get traded or moved somehow off the team. Yes, hes playing like a 4th liner and pk specialist, but its still a large caphit but that will be removed after next season, when a better crop of free agents will hit the market and im sure would be a very cheap option if a team wanted to resign him.

Either way, the rangers dont really have to do anything with him if they dont want to. They can just let his contract run up, and gain 7m in capspace while already having their core locked up long term from this offseason. The rangers have other ways to be able to get more caproom, so lets see what happens.

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Either way, the rangers dont really have to do anything with him if they dont want to. They can just let his contract run up, and gain 7m in capspace while already having their core locked up long term from this offseason. The rangers have other ways to be able to get more caproom, so lets see what happens.
No argument with you on this one.

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it's nice to know that other fan bases are as stupid as leaf fans.

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Yes exactly. To take Drury off your hands they want a 1st or Kreider. Leaf fans don't actually "want" Drury. They just want to fleece you with a 1st round pick to take on that salary dump. Finger has no bearing on a trade. He is an AHL'er with no NHL cap-hit.

A better trade would be Finger for Redden + 2nd.
well just keep him then. or bury him.

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Not having that $ on the cap is more important then Drury IMO. If it were to include some kind of pick or prospect as incentive I could see it but a straight up Drury for Finger swap just doesn't make sense at all for us.

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well just keep him then. or bury him.
I don't think he can be buried because of his NMC.

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The Leaf guys want Drury so much. You can have him. Drury to the Leafs for Jeff Finger. Expiring contract for expiring contract. $5M in salary for $3.5M in salary. MLSE can afford the extra $1.5M. Not qualifying John Mitchell and not re-signing Fredrik Sjostrom gives them that $1.5M. Drury is an upgrade over the garbage TO has at forward. Instead of paying Finger $3.5M to play for the Marlies,an extra $1.5M gets them a top 9 forward. The cap is going up by $3M. The free agent forward market is thin. Brad Richards will be a Leaf only if he wants to chase every last dollar which doesn't seem to be the case. Brian Burke and Ron Wilson can work some of the Team USA magic and sell Drury on playing for the Leafs.

No Drury for Mike Komisarek proposals. No proposals with the Rangers including a top prospect,young roster player or #1 pick.

Drury for Finger.
Dead from the first sentence

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The Leaf guys want Drury so much. You can have him. Drury to the Leafs for Jeff Finger. Expiring contract for expiring contract. $5M in salary for $3.5M in salary. MLSE can afford the extra $1.5M. Not qualifying John Mitchell and not re-signing Fredrik Sjostrom gives them that $1.5M. Drury is an upgrade over the garbage TO has at forward. Instead of paying Finger $3.5M to play for the Marlies,an extra $1.5M gets them a top 9 forward. The cap is going up by $3M. The free agent forward market is thin. Brad Richards will be a Leaf only if he wants to chase every last dollar which doesn't seem to be the case. Brian Burke and Ron Wilson can work some of the Team USA magic and sell Drury on playing for the Leafs.

No Drury for Mike Komisarek proposals. No proposals with the Rangers including a top prospect,young roster player or #1 pick.

Drury for Finger.
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ummmm cap?? finger isnt even on our cap hit

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You really think Drury would waive his NMC to go to Toronto?
You really think Toronto would have anything to do with Drury`s unmoveable contract, and decline in play? No chance.

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well just keep him then. or bury him.

He cant be buried.
He has a No Movement Clause. That means you cant move him off the "roster" without him waiving his NMC, transferring him to the minors or any other team constitutes a move. Its possible he waives it but ultimately Drury holds all the cards. If he wants to play out his contract on the Rangers then he will without the Rangers being able to do anything with him except making him a healthy scratch, which would not shed his cap hit.

There is pretty big difference between a NMC and a NTC.

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Drury can still play. Look at his numbers last season. At even strength,his numbers were in line with his previous seasons. Drury received no PP time last season. In fact,he has seen little to no PP time since Torts became the coach. This season was ruined with the two broken fingers. Drury missed training camp. Drury has been back for 6-7 weeks and has been marginalized again. Playing on the 4th line and playing 10-12 minutes a game. Drury missing the first 2 1/2 months of the season opened up the door for Stepan and Boyle to establish themselves. Torts has said the young guys are going to play over the older players.

The Leafs have the space to add players but the free agent market for forwards stinks. Burke has been shutout of the free agent forward market the past two summers. Colton Orr and Colby Armstrong. Plan the parade. Leaf fans come up with proposals for top 6 forwards but those players aren't being moved. So if the free agent market stinks and the forwards are not available in a trade,the Leafs have to look in other areas.

The Leafs are paying Finger $3.5M. Burke sent him down to the Marlies which opened up cap space without no one to spend it on. Burke has been sitting on the space for months. Besides leaking names and ideas to TSN and Pierre LeBrun,Burke hasn't done anything.

Burke dumps Finger's contract on the Rangers and gets back a player who can help his team in a terrible free agent market and tough trade market.

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You really think Drury would waive his NMC to go to Toronto?
Would Drury prefer to be bought out instead and lose money? He gets $5M next season in salary and is guaranteed just $1.66 M per for the next 2 seasons. Drury has no role on the Rangers. Kris Newbury is centering the 4th line with Drury playing wing on that line. Kris Newbury.

It's one season. Toronto is not Edmonton.

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