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01-31-2011, 07:48 PM
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Minnesota-Philadelphia

I just had this thought in a Wild thread. Made sense to me for both sides, don't tear me apart

Minnesota
Backstrom 6.00
Zanon 1.93

Philly
Couburn/ Carle 3.2/3.438 ( Don't know who makes more sense?)
Bobrovsky 1.75

Philly reasoning: Backstrom is veteran goalie, who although is expensive, has a lot of experience including playoffs and is frankly very good. He is locked up for a few years and would finally give Philly that true #1 goalie they have lacked since Esche. With Backstrom Philly would have a goalie to make their cup runs with. With Philly's D Zanon slides into the 3rd pairing role with I believe O'Donnell. That is a very good 3rd pairing. Zanon is a great shot blocker and has valuable playoff experience and can play big PK minutes as well as being a capable 17-20 min a night guy.

Minny reasoning: We get rid of a veteran with a big salary while we attempt a mini rebuild. We also get a young top 4 D which we need badly and also we gotta take salary back so Coburn/Carle make sense. Then we get a young goalie with #1 potential to come in and split with Theodore this year and can hopefully take over next season.

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Nnnnnnnnnnooooooo! Hell, we still can't even fit that kind of cap. Bob is our future pretty much anyways. So even more no.

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01-31-2011, 07:57 PM
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The better question is: Why would Philly bother? It's pretty obvious that they're doing just fine with Bob and Boucher.

Why would they give up their possible goalie of the future and an effective defender for an overpaid goalie and a defender that suddenly doesn't fit our system?

I sincerely doubt that there's a team in the NHL that will EVER take Backstrom with his contract.

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Cap would be close. Plus, I think they are only looking for locker room leadership and a guy to plug in on richie/jvr line to balance out that line. Nodl is good, but we are one winger away from being truly scary. Not that we already aren't.

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01-31-2011, 08:07 PM
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Minnesota
Backstrom 6.00
Zanon 1.93

Philly
Couburn/ Carle 3.2/3.438 ( Don't know who makes more sense?)
Bobrovsky 1.75

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01-31-2011, 08:11 PM
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The better question is: Why would Philly bother? It's pretty obvious that they're doing just fine with Bob and Boucher.

Why would they give up their possible goalie of the future and an effective defender for an overpaid goalie and a defender that suddenly doesn't fit our system?

I sincerely doubt that there's a team in the NHL that will EVER take Backstrom with his contract.
we need a goalie I bet if he could be had Burke would be interested

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01-31-2011, 09:37 PM
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Not really interested in Backstrom. He's more expensive than I think he's worth and he's signed for two more years. If we did this trade, we could practically kiss Leino goodbye.

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Not really interested in Backstrom. He's more expensive than I think he's worth and he's signed for two more years. If we did this trade, we could practically kiss Leino goodbye.
That's true. It was one of those idea's that only made sense in the immediate future and not anywhere past that.

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It certainly isn't terrible, but it just doesn't make sense (imo).

The Flyers are looking for a rental, not trading away their hopeful future goalie for another (albeit Backstrom is obviously MUCH better) on a long-term contract and a huge cap-hit, which goes against Paul Holmgren's standing on goalies. Also with that contract, there's pretty much no chance of Leino being re-signed in the offseason.

Zanon in the trade seems like a complete non-factor.

I think if Philadelphia was exploring trade options with Minny, the first player I would expect to be involved would Brunnette. He's on a fairly low cap-hit contract and is UFA at the end of the season. While he may not have a ton of playoff experience I think he'd be a good compliment playing on Richards' wing (or at least better than Nodl or Carcillo), which is what the Flyers are looking for.

Maybe a 3rd or a 4th? I don't know what Wild fans are looking for, I don't know much about the team in general.

tl;dr: It's been said by management that Flyers want more depth at the deadline, not get rid of it. Holmgren is more than likely completely content with his goaltending situation.


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01-31-2011, 10:39 PM
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It certainly isn't terrible, but it just doesn't make sense (imo).

The Flyers are looking for a rental, not trading away their hopeful future goalie for another (albeit Backstrom is obviously MUCH better) on a long-term contract and a huge cap-hit, which goes against Paul Holmgren's standing on goalies. Also with that contract, there's pretty much no chance of Leino being re-signed in the offseason.

Zanon in the trade seems like a complete non-factor.

I think if Philadelphia was exploring trade options with Minny, the first player I would expect to be involved would Brunnette. He's on a fairly low cap-hit contract and is UFA at the end of the season. While he may not have a ton of playoff experience I think he'd be a good compliment playing on Richards' wing (or at least better than Nodl or Carcillo), which is what the Flyers are looking for.

Maybe a 3rd or a 4th? I don't know what Wild fans are looking for, I don't know much about the team in general.

tl;dr: It's been said by management that Flyers want more depth at the deadline, not get rid of it. Holmgren is more than likely completely content with his goaltending situation.
Brunette does have a ton of playoff experience and is hugely clutch in the playoffs. We would be looking for at least a 2nd.

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Brunette does have a ton of playoff experience and is hugely clutch in the playoffs. We would be looking for at least a 2nd.
I really don't consider 43 playoff games for a 37-year old a ton of playoff experience. But yeah, I remember he was great for the Av's a few years ago.

Honestly I think a 2nd would be fair. however, I'd be willing to bet the majority of the Flyers fanbase on here would not, considering it's no secret that they and Calgary have easily the worst prospect pool in the league.

The Flyers also traded their 2nd this season for Meszaros (which is paying dividends at the moment), and I'd be willing to be they don't have their second for at least another decade considering Holmgren hands them out like candy .

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I really don't consider 43 playoff games for a 37-year old a ton of playoff experience. But yeah, I remember he was great for the Av's a few years ago.

Honestly I think a 2nd would be fair. however, I'd be willing to bet the majority of the Flyers fanbase on here would not, considering it's no secret that they and Calgary have easily the worst prospect pool in the league.

The Flyers also traded their 2nd this season for Meszaros (which is paying dividends at the moment), and I'd be willing to be they don't have their second for at least another decade considering Holmgren hands them out like candy .
Yeah and the Wild's run in 2003. Also 34 points in those 43 games. Yeah I did forget that you guys traded your second, but either way that would be the about value. Obviously a prospect of that caliber would get it done too, but maybe since your prospect pool isn't great that isn't a viable option either.

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Flyers want nothing to do with Brunette. He's one of the slowest players in the league and would severely hamper PHI's speed-based transition game.

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Flyers want nothing to do with Brunette. He's one of the slowest players in the league and would severely hamper PHI's speed-based transition game.
He is extremely slow, but his ability to control the puck behind and around the net, and cycle is nearly unmatched. Can you imagine the passes this guy could make on the PP to Carter and Briere? The Wild are a speed based, high tempo team as well, but Bruno works in it simply because he makes his line mates better.

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wow...no thanks

I doubt the Flyers make any big moves. They may acquire a bottom 6th forward, but I can't see them going after anything else

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No thanks, not trading Bob for an old goalie, and I don't see the poing of weakening our D for this deal

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could be possible but makes no sense. Bob is good enough and will be better than Backs in no time

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could be possible but makes no sense. Bob is good enough and will be better than Backs in no time


Will be? Will be? How can you be so sure? I would personally be surprised if Bob will be as good as Backs. I like Bob, but I doubt that he will develop in to a top 10 starter in the NHL. Many young goalies seem promising but then fall down. (think Mason) Backström is a proven goalie, and consistency is a key in the goalie position.

Don´t get me wrong, I like him, but to say that he WILL be better than Backs in no time is funny.

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As a Flyers fan, I'd be willing to deal Carle along with Boucher for Backstrom and Zanon if we could manage to fit those guys under the salary cap. Maybe I'd try to squeeze a little more blood from the stone, though, and ask for a Clutterbuck for Carcillo swap as well. Unfortunately, I think Minnesota would be unwilling to make the latter deal as Clutterbuck is having a very solid season and seems to be a fan favorite. Still, he'd be a great Philadelphia-type player.

This lineup would be amazing for the playoffs:

JVR - Richards - Nodl
Hartnell - Briere - Leino
Zherdev - Carter - Giroux
Powe - Betts - Clutterbuck
Shelley

Pronger - Meszaros
Timonen - Coburn
Zanon - O'Donnell

Backstrom
Bobrovsky

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As a Flyers fan, I'd be willing to deal Carle along with Boucher for Backstrom and Zanon if we could manage to fit those guys under the salary cap. Maybe I'd try to squeeze a little more blood from the stone, though, and ask for a Clutterbuck for Carcillo swap as well. Unfortunately, I think Minnesota would be unwilling to make the latter deal as Clutterbuck is having a very solid season and seems to be a fan favorite. Still, he'd be a great Philadelphia-type player.

This lineup would be amazing for the playoffs:

JVR - Richards - Nodl
Hartnell - Briere - Leino
Zherdev - Carter - Giroux
Powe - Betts - Clutterbuck
Shelley

Pronger - Meszaros
Timonen - Coburn
Zanon - O'Donnell

Backstrom
Bobrovsky
Boucher, Carcillo, and Carle for Backstrom, Clutterbuck, and Zanon? Um, what is the impetus for Minnesota to do that? Is this deal missing a bunch of high draft picks from Philly's end? How does this speed up the Wild's rebuilding?

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Flyers want nothing to do with Brunette. He's one of the slowest players in the league and would severely hamper PHI's speed-based transition game.
Right because Knuble hampered the Flyers being slow. Good players that don't have speed make up for it with positioning generally. Knuble being in front of the net.

If the Flyers could get Brunette under the cap without losing anyone significant it would be a huge help.

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Boucher, Carcillo, and Carle for Backstrom, Clutterbuck, and Zanon? Um, what is the impetus for Minnesota to do that? Is this deal missing a bunch of high draft picks from Philly's end? How does this speed up the Wild's rebuilding?
I know it would never happen. It was just a pipe dream. We'd have to slip something in the Wild GM's drink for that deal to happen.

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Right because Knuble hampered the Flyers being slow. Good players that don't have speed make up for it with positioning generally. Knuble being in front of the net.

If the Flyers could get Brunette under the cap without losing anyone significant it would be a huge help.
I'm with you on that, but lets just bring back mike"the nose"knuble. He played well with richie.

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