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Ilya Bryzgalov to The Flyers

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01-31-2011, 10:30 PM
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something along the lines of Carter + Bobrovsky for Bryzgalov + Prospect/Pick ?
Considering we could most likely get Vokoun for less than our 1st, there is no way we pay the price of Carter for a goalie who isn't really any better than Vokoun. Also, Carter was just signed to an 11 year deal making him one of our franchise forwards (along with Richards) meaning that we won't be trading him any time soon. The guys we'd consider moving him for the other teams would never consider trading their player for Carter so all discussions of him in trade proposals is moot.

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Sure they do as what exactly have they won while he has been there? They could lose him for nothing. Yeah no reason to give him up. I would strongly consider moving JVR + boucher. Expand the package for turris !
And no one in Phoenix would consider listening to that offer.

Seriously.

Bryzgalov would cost you one of Giroux/Richards/Carter and Bobrovsky.

Too much? Probably but Phoenix is battling Edmonton for last in the conference without Bryzgalov.

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And no one in Phoenix would consider listening to that offer.

Seriously.

Bryzgalov would cost you one of Giroux/Richards/Carter and Bobrovsky.

Too much? Probably but Phoenix is battling Edmonton for last in the conference without Bryzgalov.
Heinous overpayment. A deal like that would tear the Flyers apart.

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Phoenix won't move him.

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carter+ so in other words not going to happen
your joking right?

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Though I'm not sure Phoenix would do this (in the playoff race, need the revenue, etc), or Philly for that matter, what's the thought of the value on:

Goalie Bob
JVR
Conditional 1st (Bryz re-signs with Philly)

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Heinous overpayment. A deal like that would tear the Flyers apart.


And trading Bryzgalov would tear the Coyotes apart. He means that much to them that without him they take a nosedive into the conference basement.

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Though I'm not sure Phoenix would do this (in the playoff race, need the revenue, etc), or Philly for that matter, what's the thought of the value on:

Goalie Bob
JVR
Conditional 1st (Bryz re-signs with Philly)
Philly would not trade either of those three alone for Bryzgalov, so you can forget about all three.

Well, maybe a conditional 1st with the condition being the Flyers win the Cup.

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We will keep him for the rest of the season and risk losing him. That's how much he means to the organization. He's priority #1. The only way I see us trading him is if we completely tank February and there's a handshake deal for him to resign after the season.

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Send him here for two first rounders. We will let him go back to you at the end of the year, after we win the cup. Sound good? thanks.

Lets get her done.

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And no one in Phoenix would consider listening to that offer.

Seriously.

Bryzgalov would cost you one of Giroux/Richards/Carter and Bobrovsky.
Too much? Probably but Phoenix is battling Edmonton for last in the conference without Bryzgalov.
that is beyond laughable. Funny you really think that would happen. I hope phoenix doesnt trade him. I then hope they dont make the playoffs. Then the icing on the cake is he walks to sign with a better team. Then they are stuck with nothing but the memories of who they could have acquired if they moved him.

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that is beyond laughable. Funny you really think that would happen. I hope phoenix doesnt trade him. I then hope they dont make the playoffs. Then the icing on the cake is he walks to sign with a better team. Then they are stuck with nothing but the memories of who they could have acquired if they moved him.
Blah blah blah. Don't be mad that us Phoenix fans are a bit skeptical of giving up our Vezina nominated goaltender.

Also, "a better team"? You might be surprised, but many players actually ENJOY playing in Phoenix. (See, Bryz, Morris, Doan, Yandle, etc.)

Lastly, speaking of memories, how's that Stanley Cup defeat lingering? Still a bit rough?

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02-01-2011, 08:18 AM
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Is Bryz worth what some here are suggesting Philly would have to pay? Probably not. But that is what it would take to get him from the Coyotes, he is the most important player in their lineup.

Philly fans should just think about Vokoun.

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Blah blah blah. Don't be mad that us Phoenix fans are a bit skeptical of giving up our Vezina nominated goaltender.

Also, "a better team"? You might be surprised, but many players actually ENJOY playing in Phoenix. (See, Bryz, Morris, Doan, Yandle, etc.)

Lastly, speaking of memories, how's that Stanley Cup defeat lingering? Still a bit rough?
I'm not a flyers fan but even thinking that you could get a carter or a richards or somebody like that for a pending UFA IS laughable. When was the last time a pending UFA fetched a star player under contract? it doesn't happen they go for picks and prospects unless there is a contract worked out with the UFA in question in which case you might get a little more

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Guys, no one is saying that Bryz is worth that asking price, but it is what it would take to get Phoenix to move him unless they really knew they couldn't resign him. Similar to how the Flyers would only deal Giroux for massive overpayment.

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Blah blah blah. Don't be mad that us Phoenix fans are a bit skeptical of giving up our Vezina nominated goaltender.

Also, "a better team"? You might be surprised, but many players actually ENJOY playing in Phoenix. (See, Bryz, Morris, Doan, Yandle, etc.)

Lastly, speaking of memories, how's that Stanley Cup defeat lingering? Still a bit rough?





The only thing that sucks worse than losing in the finals is not getting there.

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I'm not a flyers fan but even thinking that you could get a carter or a richards or somebody like that for a pending UFA IS laughable. When was the last time a pending UFA fetched a star player under contract? it doesn't happen they go for picks and prospects unless there is a contract worked out with the UFA in question in which case you might get a little more
It's crazy to think that Brysgalov is going anywhere! he stated He loves it in phoenix and will resign with the coyotes where he is able to be the number one goalie. They won't deal him so why pipe dream about it.

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Blah blah blah. Don't be mad that us Phoenix fans are a bit skeptical of giving up our Vezina nominated goaltender.

Also, "a better team"? You might be surprised, but many players actually ENJOY playing in Phoenix. (See, Bryz, Morris, Doan, Yandle, etc.)

Lastly, speaking of memories, how's that Stanley Cup defeat lingering? Still a bit rough?
Why would I be mad? With or without him they still wont win anything of substance. It is just like a baseball team with a great closer who also is a pretender. It is a luxury they dont need. They could acquire nice pieces to set them up for the short and long term. Potential playoff $ though is more important. That is a sad state to be in for a team. Winning is secondary. I am sure being on the nhl welfare system will allow them to pick up some players at the deadline though. Since other teams foot the bill might as well try to load up.
Yes a better team, not hard to comprehend. I am sure they do enjoy it there, so what? If they donít enjoy winning more than let them stay there and rot.

Why would the memories of the cup be a bit rough? They lost, oh well. It has no effect on my life. A very funny statement coming from a fan of the that juggernaut franchies called the coyotes..

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Bryz won't be traded at the deadline. However, the ownership mess will determine if he resigns with Phoenix or he signs with another team. If the team is still in AZ he will resign with Phoenix. If the team is gone,then Bryz will sign with any other team and the Flyers have a good shot of signing him if that happens.

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Bryz won't be traded at the deadline. However, the ownership mess will determine if he resigns with Phoenix or he signs with another team. If the team is still in AZ he will resign with Phoenix. If the team is gone,then Bryz will sign with any other team and the Flyers have a good shot of signing him if that happens.
I think the appeal of Bryz for the Flyers is mostly as a rental. The cap situation means they don't really have the cap space to sign him to an actual contract, especially if he wants a raise.

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Lastly, speaking of memories, how's that Stanley Cup defeat lingering? Still a bit rough?
When Winnipeg is in the cup finals will your root for them or against them?

Unless the Coyotes drop completely out of contentions Bryz is not coming to the Flyers at the deadline. Maybe we can make a run at him if he's a UFA

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I think the appeal of Bryz for the Flyers is mostly as a rental. The cap situation means they don't really have the cap space to sign him to an actual contract, especially if he wants a raise.
But a team like Philly can make space for him if the team feels Bryz will be part of the core going forward.

Also if the worst were to happen with the Coyotes gone then I would want to see Bryz win a cup with Phily than Z with Pittsburgh.

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Ya know I think this guy from Philly is right. We should move all of our (few game changing players) to philly so we can set our selves up long term. Maybe we could get a fourth round pick for a package of Yandle, Bryz, Doan and Turris.

first of all no matter how much you want it to be untrue we are a contending team this year, hell we finished very nicely last year. We have a shrewd GM, and the collective bargaining agreement was agreed on by a majority of the owners so it is what it is.

Are we going to win the cup this year? problably not. But then again you never know that is why hockey is played on ice, not message boards. And personally I would think that we arent good trading partners with any teams at the moment, unless we are bundling picks and prospects for an impact center or stud shutdown d-man. We are not trading away our neccesary parts unless there is gross overpayment. The type of deal that gets made when GM's think they are 1 peice away from the cup and are willing to make massive overpayment to go over the top. Is Doan availible? well if Pitsburg calls and asks for Doan straight up for Malkin I am sure that GMDM will take Doan out to lunch and beg and plead for him to go be a Pen. Do i see this happening - not ever. The type of deal you would propose would require a gross overpayment of a simalar nature. Phoenix is a 4 sport town that has a lousy football, baseball and basketball team, and we are a town of imports, bandwagon jumpers and winner followers. (not the 10k regular coyotes fans -the other 8k we need to draw nightly to be succesful.) So bottom line is - were not a good match, unless you have a RFA that you have no chance of signing, - then we have Tikanov and a 2nd availible probblably, unless we get a better offer.

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Blah blah blah. Don't be mad that us Phoenix fans are a bit skeptical of giving up our Vezina nominated goaltender.

Also, "a better team"? You might be surprised, but many players actually ENJOY playing in Phoenix. (See, Bryz, Morris, Doan, Yandle, etc.)

Lastly, speaking of memories, how's that Stanley Cup defeat lingering? Still a bit rough?
We shouldn't be talking like that! The Coyotes have never been out of the 1st round once since moving to AZ and the Flyers are a much more stable franchise than both Phoenix and Pittsbugh combined based on overall team history.


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