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02-01-2011, 11:27 AM
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I've been of the same thinking for a while now. The more I think about it, the more I love the idea of it. I think we have the assets to move into the top-7 at least - try and get a Huberdeau or a Strome.
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The Stars are 6th in the NHL at the moment. Also, they've allegedly told him that he won't be traded.

For a team with financial trouble, the $1m+ earned from each home playoff game is huge.
I would vote NO to Brad Richards because he would cost to much. He's the obvious UFA pick up up come July 1st. I'll be glued to my seat that day.

This year just renta a offensive Dman for some extra players and mid level picks if possible. Does'nt have to be somebody huge just someone offensive to help on the PP

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Oh, I'm 110% on board with going after Richards on July 1st. I even kick the tires if he was offered around the league at the deadline, but I am nearly certain that he won't be.

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Unfortunately, that doesn't mean he'll be available at the deadline. Despite his free agency, I think the chances of Dallas moving Richards where they sit in the standings are close to the chances of the Penguins moving Crosby -- not something the team would consider.
Someone like Crosby or Jonathon Toews will come along eventually. As you were saying, unfortunately (in this situation as well) that doesn't mean he'll be available in next year's draft or the one after, or the one after that. Not to mention Crosby or Toews didn't win the Cup right away (and they also needed help from other high end draft picks like Malkin, Kane, and Staal). I thought Pavel Brendl was an "elite talent." I guess he was, but that didn't help this organization much.

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This year just renta a offensive Dman for some extra players and mid level picks if possible. Does'nt have to be somebody huge just someone offensive to help on the PP
If we're going to move any of our assets, it better not be for a measly, average player. Not worth it. We have enough of those.

Throw this group in fire. See how they do. Half this roster hasn't even sniffed a playoff game. It'll be good to see how they perform under serious pressure. Don't make a move to satisfy your trade-fetish.

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Would love Richards but he's going nowhere, as has been discussed.

Kaberle would fill a huge void but Burke is going to want more than we are willing to offer.

That said, I would definitely bet the farm on us acquiring at least one rental, and also that we will not head into the draft with two 2nds.

Prediction: 2nd + mid level prospect for McCabe.

EDIT: If it were me, hold on to everything, get the kids playoff experience, and use the picks to trade up for Huberdeau/Strome (or less for Puempel). Add the elite piece our system is missing. But that won't happen.

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That said, I would definitely bet the farm on us acquiring at least one rental, and also that we will not head into the draft with two 2nds.

Prediction: 2nd + mid level prospect for McCabe.
While I don't want any of this to happen, I agree, this is probably what will go down. My hope is that he can get away with getting McCabe for a mid level prospect and a third, but I doubt it.

Either way, it's a dumb move and a waste of an asset, a la Antropov.

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1- J-S Giguere (TOR): $ 1,322,581 <--No need but I could see Philly sending a 2nd for him.

2- Bryan McCabe (FLO): $ 1,267,473 <--Adds vet presence at the expense of a younger player sitting. Only makes sense if Drury goes the other way. If Drury goes the other way so will a pick or prospect. Drury may not waive to go to Fla. If it's McCabe alone for a pick or prospect without Drury I think it's a bad move. Good player, but not a significant upgrade over the current defenseman.

3- Tomas Vokoun (FLO): $ 1,256,452 <--No need, but will probably command a pretty good return. Philly will probably have interest here. Wonder if JVR could be headed to Fla?

4- Alex Kovalev (OTT): $ 1,102,151 <--No need whatsoever! Thinking maybe Detroit as a possible destination.

5- Jason Arnott (NJD): $ 991,935 <--No need, missed this boat by 10 years! Maybe the Canucks?

6- Tim Connolly (BUF): $ 991,935 <--No need, right handed shot. Lots of rumors about him to NY but this accomplishes nothing other than another monkeywrench into the center position. No idea who might be interested in him?

7- Tomas Kaberle (TOR): $ 936,828 <--Would be maybe the best fit of all the potential rentals. Worthy of sending a pick and prospect. A mid level prospect anyway. If Drury was the salary dump I would seriously consider sending a 1st with him. The Rangers have 3 in the first two. If it took a number 1 plus Drury who would then come off the books then it might not be the worst idea. Maybe Drury plus the Wash pick could get it done? Burke I am sure will be listening to anyone offering picks. Kaberle to NY i feel is the most likely option on this list with McCabe a close second. If it doesn't involve Drury the other way as a dump then I am not sold on the idea.

8- Cory Stillman (FLO): $ 778,853 <--No need, Enough forward depth here already. Maybe Boston?

9- Chris Phillips (OTT): $ 771,505 <--No need at all yet his name keeps popping up in Rangers rumors. I love physical defenseman, but Phillips better days are behind him. If a Dman is added, it should be a PMD with lots of speed. Or bonafide PP QB. Phillips is not that guy.

10- Craig Rivet (BUF): $ 771,505 <--No need, but I would expect moves here with the new owner. Maybe out West?

11- Jim Vandermeer (EDM): $ 506,989 <--No need, and I love adding a guy that stands up for his teammates, but Vandermeer hampers development becuase his addition would mean subtracting a better player. He is no better than any member of this defesne.

12- Jarkko Ruutu (OTT): $ 286,559 <--Love this kid. Love his game, but with Avery already here and Prust here. Cally now coming back. I don't think a grinder/pest is needed. But...The Canucks could certainly use this type of guy to help them advance out West.


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02-01-2011, 11:38 AM
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Not with our current defense.
5th best team in terms of Goals allowed per game in the NHL, 12th in the NHL in shots allowed per game, 8th in the NHL in penalty kill.

Our Defense isnt a weakness...it's one of the strongest parts of our game.

I'm only interested in Richards or another gamble player like Wolksi, otherwise, stand pat. Leave the D alone, unless we're talking like Gilroy, Christensen and something else for Kaberle, which aint happening obviously.

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I could see Phillips, maybe Connolly if we struggle.

Kaberle is too pricy for our blood, I'm willing to bet. The team that trades for him will likely want to sign him, and I doubt we'd be interested.

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5th best team in terms of Goals allowed per game in the NHL, 12th in the NHL in shots allowed per game, 8th in the NHL in penalty kill.
Understood, but how important are those stats once the puck drops in a 7 game series against teams with depth?

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Our Defense isnt a weakness...it's one of the strongest parts of our game.
Team defense, yes. But individually, even as someone who considers himself optimistic, I'm not so sure.

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We shouldn't waste picks on rentals. I love Kaberle, but I would only be interested in acquiring him if it meant we were going to re-sign him to a reasonable contract, and that would probably preclude us from going after Richards, so no.

Getting back all these guys from injury is akin to getting rentals. We're still not a contender, and we shouldn't waste assets like picks, especially not either of our 2nds. We should wait and try to package those picks to move up during the draft and nab a high-end talent, if possible.
Sadly I fully expect one of those 2nd rounders to be dealt a la Antropov. Was opposed to that deal and I'll likely be opposed to this one too. But like then, the organization had 2 second rounders and felt one was expendable. Wish they would stand pat though...I'd rather make two selections in the second or use them to move up in the first as opposed to wasting it on a rental.

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I want to see what these guys can do with a healthy roster if the hockey gods permit it. Until then they should only rent cars.

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Understood, but how important are those stats once the puck drops in a 7 game series against teams with depth?



Team defense, yes. But individually, even as someone who considers himself optimistic, I'm not so sure.
You need a great top 4, not a good defensive 6 top to bottom. This season, no I would not say that we have a great top 4 but I believe the context of the conversation was about our chances next season if we grab Richards. Next year, with another year of maturity from Sauer, Gilroy, MCD, MDZ and not to mention Staal and Girardi, I think we can be flirting with a legitimate contention level top 4. We just need Del Zotto to settle down his defensive game and return to last year's offensive output within the next season. Sauer just does what he does and if McDonough continues his path we will have a solid and diverse blueline. If we are on the cusp, add a Kim Johnnson type forward like Chicago did last year to solidify the top 4.

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Nevermind the rentals. I wanna see what the kids can do for at least another whole season before we try to piece together a run with free agents. Patience.

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You need a great top 4, not a good defensive 6 top to bottom. This season, no I would not say that we have a great top 4 but I believe the context of the conversation was about our chances next season if we grab Richards. Next year, with another year of maturity from Sauer, Gilroy, MCD, MDZ and not to mention Staal and Girardi, I think we can be flirting with a legitimate contention level top 4. We just need Del Zotto to settle down his defensive game and return to last year's offensive output within the next season. Sauer just does what he does and if McDonough continues his path we will have a solid and diverse blueline. If we are on the cusp, add a Kim Johnnson type forward like Chicago did last year to solidify the top 4.
Until then I don't see what's wrong with obtaining Kaberle if the price is right. Maybe DZ, Gilroy, McDonagh,..etc, learn a lot from him while still maturing? The pp could help this team put teams away, IF, they can set it up.
Not dump and chase, clear, dump and chase, clear...repeat cycle. There's just not enough experience back there as far as getting the puck moving, freezing the defenders, and just setting up a power play in general.

He would most likely be the leader on this team's blue line. He is a star player but, Toronto has struggled mightily for so long. In their team's history, maybe only Salming has been a better all around "D" man.

Kaberle may not score a whole hell of a lot but I can see him help Gaborik's offensive game with his stick handling, speed, and passing ability (it's the whole Czechoslovakian thing ).

For me it's all about Lundqvist and even Staal. One elite goal tender and a (if he's not already) soon to be top of the line elite shut down defenseman who eats up minutes, gives the opposing team's best players fits, can provide some "O" fense and (along with Lundqvist) is the exact type of player the Capitals would love to have so that they can reach the SCF.

But too bad, we have them and (imo) we're just one or two real good puck movers away from contending for the Eastern Conference Crown. Then all Lundqvist has to do is play like Kirk Mclean game 1 (but for 4 straight games) and the Rangers win #5!

Burke loves big players like Colton Orr. The Rangers might only need to give up guys no one around here cares about any way.

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The three that interest me most are Kaberle, Pitkanen, and Phillips.

Pitkanen is highly unlikely, unless Carolina goes on a skid in the next few weeks.

Kaberle, from a needs perspective, would help this team the most. He's a dynamic offensive defenseman, power play specialist, outlet passer. He's a veteran. He's pretty solid defensively. Put him out there on the 2nd pairing with Sauer, play him with Gaborik's line, and see if they could find a spark (akin to the chemistry that Gabby and Del Zotto had last year). That being said, Kaberle would certainly cost the most, both in assets and money (assuming we would want to re-sign him in the offseason). But who knows, Slats seems to know how to fleece people in trades.

Phillips wouldn't really help our power play, but I think he's a solid all-around defenseman. He's been through the grind many times. He uses his size. He wins battles along the boards. He clears the crease. He can skate. I've always liked him. I think he's the type of veteran defenseman that knows how to grind, and would fit in here perfectly for a playoff run and beyond. There's no doubt he would be an improvement over Gilroy, and that's not to take anything away from what Matt has done in the last few months.

I also proposed Gilroy and a 2nd a few weeks ago. I think that would get it done.

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The Rangers are going to need another defenseman--preferably a veteran puck mover. Teams that tend to go far in the playoffs almost always have a spare d-man or two who can step right into the lineup without missing a beat. We lose a couple guys and it means we're bringing up Redden, Valentenko or Kundratek. We already know all we need to know about Redden--does anyone really want Valentenko or Kundratek get their baptism under fire during the playoffs? I know I'd rather not. Teams that go far in the playoffs also tend to have great goaltending and at least very good special teams play. Kaberle would be a good addition in that regard. The Rangers have a really good looking bunch of young d-men but they're going to need help to get beyond the 2nd round--at least this year. Now we can do nothing about that--let the group that's got us this far remain the same. We might still do pretty well but it's very unlikely we'll be winning anything. I think the Rangers are at least going to make a half assed attempt to go for it.

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I'll wander onto an island by myself and say that IF we are going to pick up a rental in the hopes of winning this year, Kovalev is the one I'd pick up, obviously depending on what it would take to get him. His offensive skills are still elitelike, but he's lost interest because of where he is.

Everyone is free to mock me, but to me he remains a difference maker on the offensive side of the ice, and that is the only thing this team sorely needs. I think he might deliver someone some nice offense come playoff time.

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Folks... just realize that Gilroy doesn't have a lot of value due to his RFA status. He is making $1.75M and will be expecting a qualifying offer to actually increase that salary for next year... which is pretty insane. That is a situation that few teams will want to be a part of. Due to that... he is not an attractive asset and has little long term value to the team acquiring him.

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The Rangers are going to need another defenseman--preferably a veteran puck mover. Teams that tend to go far in the playoffs almost always have a spare d-man or two who can step right into the lineup without missing a beat. We lose a couple guys and it means we're bringing up Redden, Valentenko or Kundratek. We already know all we need to know about Redden--does anyone really want Valentenko or Kundratek get their baptism under fire during the playoffs? I know I'd rather not. Teams that go far in the playoffs also tend to have great goaltending and at least very good special teams play. Kaberle would be a good addition in that regard. The Rangers have a really good looking bunch of young d-men but they're going to need help to get beyond the 2nd round--at least this year. Now we can do nothing about that--let the group that's got us this far remain the same. We might still do pretty well but it's very unlikely we'll be winning anything. I think the Rangers are at least going to make a half assed attempt to go for it.
I agree with you.

This team is not as far away from contending for the Cup as some may think. I'm not saying we have a great chance, or that we're one of the favorites or anything. All I'm saying is anything can happen in the playoffs. A hot Lundqvist, some timely goalscoring (maybe Gaborik finds his stride?) and a solid defense, and you can certainly make some noise. I would argue that this team is better equipped to make a run than any Jagr-led post-lockout team (and we were 10 seconds away from being in the Eastern Conference Finals a few years ago).

Also, acquiring somebody like Kaberle or Phillips will not negatively affect guys like Sauer or McDonagh at all. They will still get their minutes and they will still gain valuable big game experience. In fact, a veteran presence would only help them. The only guy who gets affected is Gilroy, who would likely be going the other way in a trade. But that's fine with me, because I don't really see Gilroy in the long term plans here anyway. Not with Del Zotto and company knocking on the door in Hartford.

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Pitkanen was my choice a few weeks ago...but like i said then, if carolina remained in the hunt they would not be dealing him.

I do not want any part of Phillips. His best years are behind him. He is older and slower. He doesnt improve the defense we have right now. The only thing he adds is a veteran presence and that is not enough for me to trade for him. You dont make a move just for the sake of making a move.

We need a puck moving, offensive defenseman badly. We need that more than a center right now considering our centers have done a fine job to this point. Kaberle is the ideal man. It all comes down to how we do in the next few weeks imo. If this team can play well with a healthy squad, and i think it can, then that will convince sather to give up the assets to get Kaberle. Of course sather will not get fleeced, so if its too much he;ll pass. But if its do-able then you make the move. I really think this team, with all its players healthy, can be a force to be reckoned with. There was someone quoted at the All Star break (forget if it was a GM, player, or coach) saying that the rangers have become the toughest team to play against in the NHL. And thats without a full roster. I think they will do damage this month. I think they will not only make the playoffs but also be a serious contender.


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Theres really no reason to pick up a rental - maybe some experience on the blueline, but why? i know theres a few people that think we can really be contenders for the cup, but for the rest of us on planet earth, it makes little sense at this point.

Stand point and see what happens.

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I'll wander onto an island by myself and say that IF we are going to pick up a rental in the hopes of winning this year, Kovalev is the one I'd pick up, obviously depending on what it would take to get him. His offensive skills are still elitelike, but he's lost interest because of where he is.

Everyone is free to mock me, but to me he remains a difference maker on the offensive side of the ice, and that is the only thing this team sorely needs. I think he might deliver someone some nice offense come playoff time.
I'm not going to mock you.

He is also my choice if we are going to add a forward. He still has a great shot and would definitely, without a doubt, help our PP. I'd like to see what he would be able to do with gaborik.

I just dont see other forwards as realistic options.

NO brad richards is not happening so whoever still believes that needs to move on because dallas isnt dealing him.

Highly doubt Calgary moves Iginla. And even if they did we wouldnt be able to fit him under the cap. NO they dont want drury.

I like the idea of Tanguay but I think Kovalev definitely comes cheaper. And I think all we would need offensively is just a little extra boost. Nothing significant, at least nothing that will cost high picks and top prospects. Kovalev wont cost that imo. Tanguay is having a good year. He will garner a good return.

I dont know who else is out there forward wise. Those are the ones off the top of my head.

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We shouldn't waste picks on rentals. I love Kaberle, but I would only be interested in acquiring him if it meant we were going to re-sign him to a reasonable contract, and that would probably preclude us from going after Richards, so no.

Getting back all these guys from injury is akin to getting rentals. We're still not a contender, and we shouldn't waste assets like picks, especially not either of our 2nds. We should wait and try to package those picks to move up during the draft and nab a high-end talent, if possible.
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