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01-31-2011, 08:27 PM
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How has his value declined?
His GM?

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01-31-2011, 08:52 PM
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I like Brouwer but come on. Versteeg is the better player, younger, and outproduces him by 20 points per year. Only thing Brouwer brings to the table over Versteeg is size and grit. It would take Brouwer + to get back Versteeg.

only way I would trade Versteeg is for a good prospect that has 1st line potential or in a package to land a legitimate top 3 forward (center or LW)

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01-31-2011, 09:06 PM
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I like Brouwer but come on. Versteeg is the better player, younger, and outproduces him by 20 points per year. Only thing Brouwer brings to the table over Versteeg is size and grit. It would take Brouwer + to get back Versteeg.

only way I would trade Versteeg is for a good prospect that has 1st line potential or in a package to land a legitimate top 3 forward (center or LW)
Steegers 1st 3 full years in NHL

08-09 78 GP / 22 goals + 31 assists = 53 pts (17:02 ATOI)
09-10 79 GP / 20 goals + 24 assists = 44 pts (15:44 ATOI)
10-11 46 GP / 12 goals + 19 assists = 31 pts (19:28 ATOI)

Brouwers 1st 3 full years in NHL

08-09 69 GP / 10 goals + 16 assists = 26 pts (15:05 ATOI)
09-10 78 GP / 22 goals + 18 assists = 40 pts (16:22 ATOI)
10-11 50 GP / 15 goals + 13 assists = 28 pts (15:12 ATOI)

Honestly outside of there 1st year when Steeger was getting consistant top 6 minutes they have put up similiar #'s and this year Brouwer is playing as well as Steeger with far less ice time

As for the better player that is debatable and Versteeg is only 10 months younger then Brouwer so it is not that big of a difference

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01-31-2011, 09:07 PM
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I like Brouwer but come on. Versteeg is the better player, younger, and outproduces him by 20 points per year. Only thing Brouwer brings to the table over Versteeg is size and grit. It would take Brouwer + to get back Versteeg.

only way I would trade Versteeg is for a good prospect that has 1st line potential or in a package to land a legitimate top 3 forward (center or LW)
Uhh..it's actually the other way around.

6,3 220lbs gritty PWF wingers with finish don't exactly grow on trees. And he's only going to get better at it as well.

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01-31-2011, 09:08 PM
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Is it true that Maple Leaf fans vandalized his car?

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01-31-2011, 09:19 PM
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Seems like most people don't have all the details on Kris...

He's 24 years old
Cap hit of ~$3M/per
Career high 22g/53 points
On pace for 22g/55 points
Pros: Good shot. Great stick handling and patience with the puck. Versatile player, who is solid on both the PK and PP
Cons: Sometimes tries to do too much. eg: Deke out the entire team.


Sounds like a Phil Kessel to me!

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01-31-2011, 09:23 PM
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01-31-2011, 10:41 PM
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Guys on Sportsnet claimed "He Wouldn't Mind A Trade". That doesn't mean he's asking for a trade at all.

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01-31-2011, 10:49 PM
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Versteeg is 24. There's no point in trading him.

And I have to laugh at how his value has somehow plummetted from when he was in Chicago.

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01-31-2011, 10:54 PM
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Apparently he wants out, what would you give up for him?

Toronto willing to add for 1st line talent.
Apparently Toronto fans vandalized his $150K Audi so ensuring that he not only wants out, every GM in NHL knows he wants out. BB will not be dealing from strength.

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Apparently Toronto fans vandalized his $150K Audi so ensuring that he not only wants out, every GM in NHL knows he wants out. BB will not be dealing from strength.
Yet Predators not able to sign Weber means they can get Kadri, Schenn and Kessel for him.

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01-31-2011, 10:59 PM
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Yet Predators not able to sign Weber means they can get Kadri, Schenn and Kessel for him.
If Pred cannot sign Weber, there will be plenty of takers. You cannot possibly be comparing an elite Dman to a support player in terms of supply/demand of league talent? Really?!

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If Pred cannot sign Weber, there will be plenty of takers. You cannot possibly be comparing an elite Dman to a support player in terms of supply/demand of league talent? Really?!
I'm just laughing at the double standard you have. I was never comparing the two, just the situations. Nashville would not be dealing in a position of strength either.

And Weber being "Elite" is very arguable. You would not think he was elite if he ever played in Toronto.

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I'm just laughing at the double standard you have. I was never comparing the two, just the situations. Nashville would not be dealing in a position of strength either.

And Weber being "Elite" is very arguable. You would not think he was elite if he ever played in Toronto.
Uh, OK. Glad you know what I think. Toronto has had elite players in the past on many occassions. Currently, not so much, IF they had Weber, it would be the case again unless they Phaneufed him (though the Phaneufing of Phaneuf actually happened in Calgary before he came to Calgary).

Schenn could be an elite Dman in the league someday.....he is certainly their best right now.

Far from a double standard, it is reality. A double standard would be assuming the trade market for Weber and Versteeg would even be remotely related. One of those players has many equivalent options each and every year. The other is a Dman of calibre very rarely available on the market.

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01-31-2011, 11:33 PM
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I have a source fairly close to Versteeg and he doesn't want out of Toronto, there are 4-5 "solid"(sources word and I never asked what teams they were) offers on the table for him though, so if he does get moved it's not because he wants out. From the sounds of things Burke really likes him and it is going to take an overpayment to get him. For everyone putting up his numbers for this year he was nowhere near 100% for the first two months which is why he put up the numbers he did. I know everyone's source is better then mine so I will leave it at what it is, but he doesn't want out of Toronto.

Honestly trading him at this point would seriously consider making me throw all my Leafs stuff in the trash and burning it. There should be very few "untouchables" on this team but he should be on that list.

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Tor- Hagman, Niemesz OR 3rd rnd pick 2012
Cgy- Versteeg

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02-01-2011, 09:52 AM
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Mikkel Boedker for Versteeg.

Thoughts?

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Tor- Hagman, Niemesz OR 3rd rnd pick 2012
Cgy- Versteeg

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Mikkel Boedker for Versteeg.

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Uhh..it's actually the other way around.
uh actually its not.

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6,3 220lbs gritty PWF wingers with finish don't exactly grow on trees. And he's only going to get better at it as well.
says who?

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Steegers 1st 3 full years in NHL

08-09 78 GP / 22 goals + 31 assists = 53 pts (17:02 ATOI)
09-10 79 GP / 20 goals + 24 assists = 44 pts (15:44 ATOI)
10-11 46 GP / 12 goals + 19 assists = 31 pts (19:28 ATOI)

Brouwers 1st 3 full years in NHL

08-09 69 GP / 10 goals + 16 assists = 26 pts (15:05 ATOI)
09-10 78 GP / 22 goals + 18 assists = 40 pts (16:22 ATOI)
10-11 50 GP / 15 goals + 13 assists = 28 pts (15:12 ATOI)

Honestly outside of there 1st year when Steeger was getting consistant top 6 minutes they have put up similiar #'s and this year Brouwer is playing as well as Steeger with far less ice time

As for the better player that is debatable and Versteeg is only 10 months younger then Brouwer so it is not that big of a difference
Like I said, I like Brouwer and would take him on the Leafs any day. But I wouldn't trade Versteeg for him. I think Versteeg is being underrated here. How many 24 year olds are on pace for 55 points on a WEAK offensive team who, also, will be a RFA (not a UFA) after next season?

In regards to Brouwer, what else would the Hawks be looking for from the Leafs other than Versteeg? Gunnarsson, Damigo + ?

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Like I said, I like Brouwer and would take him on the Leafs any day. But I wouldn't trade Versteeg for him. I think Versteeg is being underrated here. How many 24 year olds are on pace for 55 points on a WEAK offensive team who, also, will be a RFA (not a UFA) after next season?

In regards to Brouwer, what else would the Hawks be looking for from the Leafs other than Versteeg? Gunnarsson, Damigo + ?
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Steeger is playing nearly 20 minutes a game with alot of it PP time so no matter what can be said about Leafs you play 20 min a game you are likely to be scoring at a decent pace

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Steeger is playing nearly 20 minutes a game with alot of it PP time so no matter what can be said about Leafs you play 20 min a game you are likely to be scoring at a decent pace
so every young player that plays ~19 minutes a night with PP time will score 50-60 points? Gotcha

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so every young player that plays ~19 minutes a night with PP time will score 50-60 points? Gotcha
More or less. If PA Parentau can do it (as he's on pace to) just about anyone with some hands can. The problem is Versteeg is useless as a top 6 forward on a contending team (he's even playing the 3rd line in Toronto) and makes too much money for the 3rd line while not being a defensive specialist. Brouwer at least has a Kulemin-like niche that can grab him a top six spot on any team that needs a PF type.

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says who?
Tell you what: Why don't you ask Hawks fans which player they would rather have in their line-up if they had to choose between the two. While some might choose Versteeg, I guarantee you most of them would rather have Brouwer as he addresses a more important need that we're still looking for right now.

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would rather leafs keep him. best backcheck on the team.

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