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02-01-2011, 04:09 PM
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Van - Pit

So heading into the playoffs both these teams have a need which the other can help with.

To Pit

-Raymond
-Bliznak or bolduc
-pick (3rd or 4th?)

To Van

-Goligoski
-Talbot

Pit get a speedy top 6 winger who will be RFA after next year and a 2nd round pick

Van gets their gritty 4th line center and a young depth defenceman who will also be RFA.

I know nucks fans will say we don't need more D, but I am still nervous, we always need more D....sure the nucks are fine for now but extra depth is always nice especially when it isn't too expensive.

What would you add/remove to make it happen?

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02-01-2011, 04:14 PM
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Personally, I'd rather upgrade the Top 6 than deal for another defenseman.

If Raymond goes, you weaken the secondary scoring.

If he goes, someone has to replace him.

And it's not Shirokov.

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I am actually ok with this.

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Pretty good value but I'm not sure where Goligoski fits long term if Ehrhoff is re-signed. Pens would prefer a depth dman coming back that Bliznak or Bolduc.

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Goligoski is on pace to have more points than Raymond while still playing defense. Pass

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Penguins pass. Goligoski is a top 30 offensive D in the league on a sweetheart contract. Talbot is money in the playoffs.

Raymond is an OK 2nd/very good 3rd liner. Don't know the other Canucks involved.

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02-01-2011, 04:26 PM
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so what would make the deal happen from a pens point of view?

would Raymond and a 1st be worth Goski and Talbot? wuld that be overpayment?

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I guess the value is okay and it sorta fits the team's needs but I just don't see it happening. Two teams that are looking like contending teams this year, both of which are tight up against the cap, it probably won't work out.

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so what would make the deal happen from a pens point of view?

would Raymond and a 1st be worth Goski and Talbot? wuld that be overpayment?
I think that's probably closer, but it really doesn't matter because Ray Shero has said Goligoski is not available.

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02-01-2011, 04:43 PM
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I think that's probably closer, but it really doesn't matter because Ray Shero has said Goligoski is not available.
the only reason i brought up goligoski was after reading http://www.nhl.com/ice/post.htm?id=236

wasn't aware Shero made him unavailable.

I'd still try from a nuck's perspective.

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so what would make the deal happen from a pens point of view?

would Raymond and a 1st be worth Goski and Talbot? wuld that be overpayment?
No way Gillis trades his first this year, after trading away last years, besides Goligoski and Raymond probably have pretty equal value - same age Raymond has had some injuries this season, but had a very good season last year - Gogo has been very good offensively and pretty average defensively top 4 dman. Talbot is definitely not worth a late 1st. I could see Raymond, Alberts, 3rd for Gogo and Talbot, but I wouldn't want to give up anything more then that from the Canucks standpoint.

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What if we just simplified it a little?

Shirokov

For

Talbot

Pens fans?

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was just about to suggest something like this. maybe something like

Pitt: Raymond/samuelsson

Van: Rupp, 2nd

pens get top 6 winger and vancouver gets 4th line depth. vancouver could then possibly flip that 2nd for a package involving another top 6 forward rental to replace raymond/samuelsson. and if hodgson plays well i think there is more of a chance of either raymond or samuelsson getting dealt.

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What would the Canucks need to give up for Craig Adams?

Adams and a 4th for Shirokov?

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What would the Canucks need to give up for Craig Adams?

Adams and a 4th for Shirokov?
Pens are keeping Adams. Unless you wanna give us a top prospect.

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What if we just simplified it a little?

Shirokov

For

Talbot

Pens fans?
Talbot is a big game player. A contender like Pittsburgh won't be dealing him at the deadline for a flight risk.

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was just about to suggest something like this. maybe something like

Pitt: Raymond/samuelsson

Van: Rupp, 2nd

pens get top 6 winger and vancouver gets 4th line depth. vancouver could then possibly flip that 2nd for a package involving another top 6 forward rental to replace raymond/samuelsson. and if hodgson plays well i think there is more of a chance of either raymond or samuelsson getting dealt.
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02-01-2011, 05:49 PM
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Pens are keeping Adams. Unless you wanna give us a top prospect.
not to sound like a complete homer, but Shirikov is one of our top prospects. former leading scorer of his KHL team, AHL all star this year and played decently in his recent call up in a top-6 role. Probably the most nhl-ready prospect the canucks have

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Talbot is a big game player. A contender like Pittsburgh won't be dealing him at the deadline for a flight risk.
"Malkin to Shirokov... Scores!"

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If the Pens deal Goligoski, they would then have a 3rd pairing with zero played NHL playoff game experience and a rookie as a 7th dman.

Goligoski is a pretty sweet bargaining chip because of his play/production vs his cap hit but it would create a bigger hole by trading him.

Pens have too many forwards as it is now. If they are going to do anything at the deadline, Godard would likely have to be waived or a forward or two dealt somewhere.

I doubt Talbot is going to be available. Dude is money in the playoffs. Definitely raises the intensity level 10 notches and is glue in the locker room.

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Talbot is too valuable to the Pens in a playoff series, I think.

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not to sound like a complete homer, but Shirikov is one of our top prospects. former leading scorer of his KHL team, AHL all star this year and played decently in his recent call up in a top-6 role. Probably the most nhl-ready prospect the canucks have
I don't think anyone is discounting that. The problem with the Pens trading Adams is he's heavily relied upon by Bylsma. He's one of the top PK guys and he's always out there at the end of a game when there is a lead.

Adams is valuable to a team trying for a cup. If he were on a team not going to make the playoffs, I'm sure you'd be able to scoop him up with that offer.

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I don't think anyone is discounting that. The problem with the Pens trading Adams is he's heavily relied upon by Bylsma. He's one of the top PK guys and he's always out there at the end of a game when there is a lead.

Adams is valuable to a team trying for a cup. If he were on a team not going to make the playoffs, I'm sure you'd be able to scoop him up with that offer.
Yep, and he's the heart and soul of that 4th line. I think it was the last game before the allstar break where he blocked 2 HUUUUGE chances to score in a row by laying down. Even the 4th liners are important for the playoffs. Rupp can go, though. Pens need to keep Talbot and Adams for sure.

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I don't think anyone is discounting that. The problem with the Pens trading Adams is he's heavily relied upon by Bylsma. He's one of the top PK guys and he's always out there at the end of a game when there is a lead.

Adams is valuable to a team trying for a cup. If he were on a team not going to make the playoffs, I'm sure you'd be able to scoop him up with that offer.
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To PIT:
Raymond
Shirokov
Alberts/Rome
?

To VAN:
Goligoski
Talbot

Penguins upgrade at forward (as valuable as Talbot is) and downgrade at defense. They couldn't fit Shirokov onto the roster until the playoffs without sacrificing elsewhere but otherwise it works under the cap.

The Canucks would have to go out and pick up another scoring line forward at the deadline but they'd have an additional few hundred thousand in cap space to do it.

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I don't know. Raymond is better than his stats this year (he's battled a couple of injuries) and has real potential as a top notch scorer, but if I'm a Pens fan I'm not sure I make the deal. I just don't think they have the blueline depth.

From a Canucks perspective, you're exacerbating an existing problem (lack of consistent secondary scoring) to address a less important problem (lack of bottom six depth) and a non-existent problem ("only" six top four and seven top five defensemen). So you make this deal and while you get two good players back, you still have to go out and make another deal to address the loss of Raymond.

I'd be ambivalent about this trade which tells me the value is reasonable.. but I can see why fans of either team might not like it.

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