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Jacques Plante 1971 season

Was looking at Plante's career and something caught my eye.

In 1971 Plante led the league in GAA by a healthy margin. However, the Vezina was given to the Rangers goaltending tandem of Giacomin and Villemure. I thought that maybe Plante's 40 games played weren't enough or something, but the guys who won it played 45 and 35 games apiece.

Unless there's something I don't know about the award, didn't it just go to the goalie/goalies with the lowest GAA in the league at that time (ie: it was what the Jennings is now)?

Anyone know what the deal was?

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Jennings/old Vezina goes to the goalies of the team with the lowest GAA, provided those goalies played more than a certain number of games (I believe more than 20 now).

So it sounds like the other goalies on Plante's team in 1971 (St. Louis, right?) really crapped the bed.

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When they say it's a "team award", they literally mean that. It went to the goalie(s) on the team with the fewest goals against.

Hainsworth won a vezina thanks to Flat Walsh allowing too many goals for Ottawa to take the award one season. Benedict had a lower personal GAA though.

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Jennings/old Vezina goes to the goalies of the team with the lowest GAA, provided those goalies played more than a certain number of games (I believe more than 20 now).

So it sounds like the other goalies on Plante's team in 1971 (St. Louis, right?) really crapped the bed.
No, the Leafs!

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Oh right, 71 was the year when Plante put up amazing stats for the Leafs, and the rest of the goalies were a lot worse. Forgot about that.

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Duh, I'm an idiot. Haha, thanks guys.

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Unrelated, but I know that there are some unofficial sv% stats out there for NHL seasons prior to 1983. Does anyone have a link to that info?

It's widely reported that Plante had a .941 sv% in 1971. I was wondering where that number came from, and if there is info for other years prior to 1983?

And yes, I have just selected Jacques Plante in the ATD

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Unrelated, but I know that there are some unofficial sv% stats out there for NHL seasons prior to 1983. Does anyone have a link to that info?
Hockeydb has them, with some holes, back to 1954.

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Hot damn, when did that happen? Thanks man.

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I can get you a spreadsheet for 1953-2010. Complete with sv%.

1953-1967 from the hockey compendium.
1968-1979 from "goaltenders - the expansion years" - which is from game sheets
1980-1983 from the HSP - which is from game sheets
1984-2010 from hockey-reference.

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I can get you a spreadsheet for 1953-2010. Complete with sv%.

1953-1967 from the hockey compendium.
1968-1979 from "goaltenders - the expansion years" - which is from game sheets
1980-1983 from the HSP - which is from game sheets
1984-2010 from hockey-reference.
I know I'm not a regular poster here, but I'm an avid lurker and would be very curious to see that spreadsheet if possible as well, it sounds like a great...read (?)...look?

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Unrelated, but I know that there are some unofficial sv% stats out there for NHL seasons prior to 1983. Does anyone have a link to that info?

It's widely reported that Plante had a .941 sv% in 1971. I was wondering where that number came from, and if there is info for other years prior to 1983?

And yes, I have just selected Jacques Plante in the ATD
Here's some info you probably didn't want.

Plante played 26 of his 40 games at home that season. He also never faced the league-leading Bruins, and only 4 of his 40 games came against New York and Chicago, the next best regular season teams.

This usage pattern explains at least part of Plante's great numbers that season. Although I'm not sure how much that would affect SV%, it certainly helped his GAA and W%.

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Here's some info you probably didn't want.

Plante played 26 of his 40 games at home that season. He also never faced the league-leading Bruins, and only 4 of his 40 games came against New York and Chicago, the next best regular season teams.

This usage pattern explains at least part of Plante's great numbers that season. Although I'm not sure how much that would affect SV%, it certainly helped his GAA and W%.
I'm sure it helped. I just wonder how much. A "normalization" on that season would be a good idea, as in, instead of playing this imbalanced schedule, what if he played 50/50 home and road, and an equal amount against all strengths of opponents?

It was such a dominant season that I imagine he'd still be the sv% leader, maybe just not by so much.

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So it sounds like the other goalies on Plante's team in 1971 really crapped the bed.
Some bum named Bernie Parent. Actually, it was the guy before him mainly responsible:Bruce Gamble had a 3.87 average

Goaltending
Player
Jacques Plante 2329 40 24 11 4 73 1.88
Bernie Parent 1040 18 7 7 3 46 2.65
Bruce Gamble 1226 23 6 13 1 83 3.87
Murray McLachlan 25 2 0 1 0 4 9.60
Johnny Bower 60 1 0 1 0 5 5.00
Team: 4680 78 37 33 8 206 2.64

Note:Murray McLachlan not to be confused with the guy who sang "Down By The Henry Moore" & "Farmer's Song"

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I can get you a spreadsheet for 1953-2010. Complete with sv%.

1953-1967 from the hockey compendium.
1968-1979 from "goaltenders - the expansion years" - which is from game sheets
1980-1983 from the HSP - which is from game sheets
1984-2010 from hockey-reference.
Yeah man, that would be great. Let me know about that.

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I can get you a spreadsheet for 1953-2010. Complete with sv%.

1953-1967 from the hockey compendium.
1968-1979 from "goaltenders - the expansion years" - which is from game sheets
1980-1983 from the HSP - which is from game sheets
1984-2010 from hockey-reference.
That looks pretty interesting actually. I would certainly like to take a look at this if you don't mind.

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In his Montreal years. Plante was a vocal advocate of awarding the Vezina for personal average rather than team stats -- he didn't want to lose it just because Sawchuk or Bower had a better backup and Hall didn't need one. Odd, because Plante's stand-in, Charlie Hodge, never let him down.

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