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02-03-2011, 01:22 PM
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We have to go 20-7-3......

.....in order to match last season's point total (101 pts.).



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02-03-2011, 01:31 PM
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.....in order to match last season's point total (101 pts.).


who cares about last years total ? The main question is what is the projected points for the 9th place team THIS YEAR ? Without looking at the stats, it doesn't appear that it will take as many points to get in this year as last.

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who cares about last years total ? The main question is what is the projected points for the 9th place team THIS YEAR ? Without looking at the stats, it doesn't appear that it will take as many points to get in this year as last.

A lot of people have said that, this year, it'll take 100 points to get into the playoffs, assuming we're talking about the Western Conference.

But then again, people were saying this around Thanksgiving. Have things changed since then?

Plus, the idea is to improve each year, not regress.

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A lot of people have said that, this year, it'll take 100 points to get into the playoffs, assuming we're talking about the Western Conference.

But then again, people were saying this around Thanksgiving. Have things changed since then?

Plus, the idea is to improve each year, not regress.
what is your idea of "improving" ? I'm sure there are 30 teams in the league that would like to be improving but reality says that your not gonna improve every year. We should be hoping to get into the playoffs, regardless of position.

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02-03-2011, 01:56 PM
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Improving this year, is making the playoffs and WINNING the 1st round AT LEAST, who gives a **** if we do so by getting 101 points or 96 points to get in ...

NOT Improving this year, is getting 102 + points in the regular season and still LOSING in the 1st round of the playoffs !



or of course NOT making the Playoffs ... that's regression too. derp! but I shouldn't have to even say it.

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18-10-2 for 96 points gives us a 99.8% chance of making the playoffs.


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Everything's so tight I doubt many teams will be hitting 100 in the West, outside of the obvious top two or three.

92-93 points is close but likely enough for the playoffs. 94-95 is all but a certainty for the postseason.

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Improving this year, is making the playoffs and WINNING the 1st round AT LEAST, who gives a **** if we do so by getting 101 points or 96 points to get in ...

NOT Improving this year, is getting 102 + points in the regular season and still LOSING in the 1st round of the playoffs !



or of course NOT making the Playoffs ... that's regression too. derp! but I shouldn't have to even say it.
i agree word for word

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Last year's West was much weaker than this season's.

With the only team out of the playoffs being the Oilers, there won't be a lot of teams hitting 100 points.

We're only 3 points out of the 4th in the West. Look it that way. If we ended up at 100 points, we would more than likely be the 4th seed. The West had a lot more punching bags last season.

Even the Jackets are still in the hunt.

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But then again, people were saying this around Thanksgiving. Have things changed since then?
Yes, Teams in the West have averaged 51.06 Games Played....because of the Olympic break, on January 23 of last year teams in the west had averaged 51.4 games played. Looking at the standings last season for that day and the point difference of the team that is currently in that spot in the standings (i.e Vancouver is in first right now with 75 points so the 1st differential is -3):

Team---Last Year-----Points-This Year-Differential
1. San Jose Sharks 78 75 -3
2. Chicago Blackhawks 74 68 -6
3. Colorado Avalanche 64 65 +1
4. Vancouver Canucks 64 61 -3
5. Phoenix Coyotes 63 60 -3
6. Los Angeles Kings 61 60 -1
7. Nashville Predators 61 59 -2
8. Calgary Flames 58 58 0
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9. Detroit Red Wings 58 58 0
10. Dallas Stars 55 57 +2
11. Anaheim Ducks 55 56 +1
12. Minnesota Wild 54 56 +2
13. St. Louis Blues 52 51 -1
14. Columbus Blue Jackets 49 51 +2
15. Edmonton Oilers 38 38 0

The biggest difference is that the top 8 have a combined 17 fewer points than last season, while the bottom 7 have 6 more points. Altogether there are 11 fewer points in the west this year (1 less OT loss point, 5 more losses in East vs West match-ups). What this all means is that despite the point totals off the playoff cutoff being the same there are 9 teams now within 3 points of 8th place compared to 6 last year creating more fluidity in the standings. Last year Colorado was in 8th with 95 points, but Colorado could have had 91 points and still made the playoffs...or we could have had 91 points last season and still made the playoffs as the 8th seed assuming that the 5 extra losses came in games that we beat playoff or Eastern conference teams.

Whether or not we make the playoffs won't be about how many points we get, but who we beat and who we give points to. Beating teams like ANA, SJ, Pho, Minn, Col, and Cal the rest of the times we play them will be extremely beneficial.

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I remember the Oilers in 05 barely made the playoffs by grabbing the 8th seed and look where they ended up.

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If the Kings make the playoffs, they'll deserve it because their play will reflect it. If they don't make the playoffs, they'll deserve to be golfing.

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02-03-2011, 02:56 PM
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"A lot of people have said that, this year, it'll take 100 points to get into the playoffs, assuming we're talking about the Western Conference.

But then again, people were saying this around Thanksgiving. Have things changed since then?

Plus, the idea is to improve each year, not regress."

Look at the standings. Even with the Kings recent losing, they're still tied for 8th in points. The Kings are only 3 points out of 4th. They're only 7 points behind Dallas for 1st in the division.

The Kings may miss the playoff this season. However, it's not going to take a miracle for them to make the playoffs. It's not even completely out of the question that they could still win the division.

We seem to be in such a hurry to define the Kings as either an improved team, or a team in regression. The Kings have to be at point A by year 3, and point B by year 4, and point C by year 5. But the Hawks were here by the 10th minute of the 3rd period of game 36 in the 3rd year. The Penguins were here when they did this or that. Every team is built differently. Different players, different development, different circumstances. Take a breath, relax, and let the season play itself out. We'll see where the Kings stand then.

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I remember the Oilers in 05 barely made the playoffs by grabbing the 8th seed and look where they ended up.
Dead Last this year?

The link in Haik's post is the one to go to.

I'm comfortable with 94 pts as where we finish. To get 94 pts we need to go 17 - 11 - 2. Thats a winning pct of .600 and gives us a 95.8% chance of being in the playoffs. Even 93 pts gives us an 87.7% chance of playoff hockey, 92 pts = 72% chance, while at 91 pts we are only 50%. At 90 pts it drops to 28%.

I'm not concerned with last year. We lost in the first round. Don't want to do that again. We can make it with less, but the chances decrease significantly as you can see.

94 points or BUST

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It's not so much where we finish as long as we nab a playoff spot. I think despite the adversity and the setbacks we've had this year, its only going to make this team (in particularly our young guys) stronger.

I'll be happy if we come out with less points yet nab a playoff spot because the hard times we've been having (the losing streaks) only teaches our boys how to work through adversity. Regardless where we finish, I think it's a win-win for the organization.

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Another thought-

Going 19-11-0 Gives us 96 points on the year, what a non-playoff team like Calgary would have had to have in order to knock of Colorado for the 8th spot. But there's a big difference in the standings depending on who we beat and who beats us. We have 5 games against the East left, 2 against Detroit, Columbus, and Vancouver, and 1 against Edmonton. These are teams who I consider irrelevant to our position in the standings. If we lose 11 of those 12 games, but win the other 19 on our schedule, 96 points will be a guaranteed playoff spot. But if we win those 12, and lose 11 of the 19 other games against the teams currently ranked between 3rd and 13th we won't make the playoffs as we are essentially handing the teams around us 4 point leads every time we lose.

So the game against Calgary on Saturday is critical, the following 6 games against CBJ and the East.....not nearly as important as the other 24 games on our schedule....but picking up points there would still obviously be nice.

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18-12 will get us in IMO.

94 points.

I think this team is going to get hot really soon. But break it down into 3 different 10 game segments (which I do at the beginning of each year:

6-4
6-4
6-4
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18-12.

Like it was mentioned above, if you cant do that then you don't deserve to make it.

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Didn't the Kings basically go 20-7-3 to finish last season? They are only one point off where they were this time last year. They went on a hell of a tear after the ASB.

EDIT: The Kings went on a tear at the end of January - 9-0-0. They wound up going 19-8-6 in their last 33 games.

This season, the Kings are 2-0-1 so far with 30 games remaining.


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Didn't the Kings basically go 20-7-3 to finish last season? They are only one point off where they were this time last year. They went on a hell of a tear after the ASB.

Question is whether or not they can repeat that kind of performance down the stretch.

Good news is we have better goaltending, a better bottom 6 and a well rested Captain.

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Question is whether or not they can repeat that kind of performance down the stretch.

Good news is we have better goaltending, a better bottom 6 and a well rested Captain.
Just as soon as he gets back from being AWOL.

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18-12 will get us in IMO.

6-4
6-4
6-4
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18-12.

Like it was mentioned above, if you cant do that then you don't deserve to make it.

Good post. Each game isn't the season. We have to go 600!... That's tough, that's difficult, but that's also losing 40% of your games.

I cannot believe how close it is this season. The difference between 9th (Kings) and 5th (San Jose) is TWO points! I can't remember when it was that close. We play San Jose and 5 whole spots in the western conference rankings are up to be won in a single game. Crazy!

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I remember the Oilers in 05 barely made the playoffs by grabbing the 8th seed and look where they ended up.
winning nothing and ended up losing their best 2 defenders ????

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.....in order to match last season's point total (101 pts.).


They could go 21-8-1
They could go 20-7-3
They could go 19-6-5
They could go 18-5-7
They could go 17-4-9
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17 - 11 - 2. Thats a winning pct of .600
Fuzzy math.

17-13 is not .600

An OTL is still a loss and doesn't help a team's "winning percentage".


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Question is whether or not they can repeat that kind of performance down the stretch.

Good news is we have better goaltending, a better bottom 6 and a well rested Captain.
we have a Captain ? Haven't we been rolling with 2 A's for the last month ?

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