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02-01-2011, 08:38 AM
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Just waiting on 10 picks by the Lions now... hopefully VI is doing alright.

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...hopefully VI is doing alright.
Nothing an Antti Laaksonen couldn't fix.

The defensive-minded Finn is a Triple Silver Club member: at the 2006 Olympics, 2004 World Cup and 2001 World Championships, the latter tourney at which he scored 2 goals and 6 points with 8 PIM in 9 games. he was North American trained, spending four full years at the U. Of Denver where he got a degree and was an NCAA 2nd team all-star, won the Calder Cup in the AHL, and after his NHL years returned to his homeland to captain the basement-dwelling Lukko to the playoffs before retiring.



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Has good speed, skill and versatility. Can score in streaks and is a solid player in the defensive zone. Kills penalties with aplomb.
http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/...player.cgi?592

I remember him for his great checking work in the NHL. He was in conversations online a few times for Selke consideration midseason, and in arguments for why the Selke is wrongheaded in recognizing those who can also score over the more defensively-minded guys like him. He actually averaged 30 points a season, 16 minutes a game, for the solid 5-year block he played in the NHL:

2000-01 27 Minnesota Wild NHL 82 12 16 28 (16:27)
2001-02 28 Minnesota Wild NHL 82 16 17 33 (16:20)
2002-03 29 Minnesota Wild NHL 82 15 16 31 (15:55)
2003-04 30 Minnesota Wild NHL 77 12 14 26 (16:03)
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2005-06 32 Colorado Avalanche NHL 81 16 18 34 (16:00)

If he had left college to turn pro earlier, if he had been given a chance in the big league earlier, had he played for a Stanley Cup contender instead of an already-defensive-minded expansion franchise, he might have demonstrated himself capable of fulfilling a Bottom-6 and penalty killing role on the MLD level. Liked the guy, respected the guy's game and think him capable of greatness.

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02-02-2011, 12:23 AM
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Wembley selects Grover Sargent, the center of the first ever all-star team, from the 1908 Hod Stuart Benefit game wherein the Montreal Wanderers centered by Ernie Russell faced off against Sargent and a squad of stars from the ECAHC. Sargent was the captain at the time of the previously-fabled Montreal AAA. How long had he captained the AAA? What are his season numbers? I know in the 2003/04 season, Sargent led the AAA in scoring with 12 goals, tying Frank McGee for 6th best in the league, basically outclassed only by the crosstown Victorias' Bowie (27) and Quebec's Herb Jordan (23). The AAA had won the Stanley Cup in 1902 and a Stanley Cup challenge in 1903. Had he been on those teams too?

He was on the cover of a 1907 publication Canadian Pictorial, linked below, with the following descriptor:
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More research needed. A bloody intriguing pick limited by info but everything suggests he was a very good player of his era.

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02-02-2011, 01:06 AM
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Wembley selects winger Mikael Andersson, an injury-prone 16-year NHL pro, most notably with the expansion Lightning, who has just 761 NHL games and 264 points. As a Hartford Whaler, he won the team's Unsung Hero Award in 1989-90 in an injury-shortened season, and the team's True Grit Award in 1991-92, arguably his best NHL season with 18 goals, 47 points and a +/- of +18. He has had a litany of lower body injuries, most notably re-occuring knee and foot injuries. He has played a lot internationally for Team Sweden. He was three times on their world juniors team, was ranked the top European in 1985, NHL drafted in the first round, played in a Canada Cup and a World Cup and won three world championship medals, scoring 10 points in 19 big games internationally. He returned to his homeland to captain a SEL team for the remaining three years of his career.



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Mikael Andersson was a tremendously gifted skater. His speed was the key to his game. He had a great wrist shot but didn't utilize it nearly enough, especially early on in his career. And he tended to over-handle the puck. Though he lacked the strength to be a physical presence in the NHL, Andersson became an effective checker by using his quickness to pounce on loose pucks.
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02-02-2011, 01:44 AM
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Wembley selects 5'11, 227 lbs right winger Andrei Kovalenko, nicknamed "The Tank" because when he parked himself in front of the opponent's net, he was practically immovable. He had won the Soviet championship in 1989 with CSKA and the European championship with them the following year after scoring 11 points in 7 games to win gold at the world juniors. He scored a goal and two assists in the 1991 Canada Cup, and a goal and assist in winning gold at the 1992 Olympics. He scored twice in the 1996 World Cup. His peak production was scoring 4 goals to help Russia earn silver at the 1998 Olympics. He had only scored 379 points in 620 NHL games, 27 goals as a rookie in a career high 68-point season in 1992-93. He scored 32 goals with Edmonton in 1996-97, the year he was 5th in NHL powerplay goals with 14. He has the freaky historical distinction of having scored the last goal at the old Montreal Forum and the first goal at the new replacement RBC Center. He was top-5 in NHL shooting percentage for three consecutive seasons from 1994-95 to 96-97 and 7th in 1998-99.



The guy was a partier and that lack of dedication to the sport first and foremost is what suggests he has drunk away his chance for all-time greatness.

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Neilson said he isn't worried about Kovalenko's off-ice reputation. Flyers general manager Bob Clarke, who was attending a league GMs' meeting yesterday in Palm Springs, Calif., said when he made the trade that he had discussed Kovalenko's lifestyle with Marc Crawford, who coached Kovalenko in Quebec/Colorado, and former Flyers coach and GM Bob McCammon, an assistant coach in Edmonton last season. Neither Crawford nor McCammon thought Kovalenko would be a problem, Clarke said.

Neilson certainly didn't seem worried yesterday.

"The guy slept in one time," Neilson said. "He got in at 6 today and managed to get up in time for the practice, so I don't think there's going to be any problem."
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02-02-2011, 01:49 AM
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The forwards for my squad are done.

I'll do the bottom defensemen and goaltenders tomorrow.

((Thank you guys for your patience. I am finally all moved into my new apartment, but the Internet won't be connected until next week because of the Lunar New Year holiday here, which officially is three days but really is all this week in terms of getting any service.))

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02-02-2011, 02:21 AM
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So, no one drafted Greg Polis?

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02-02-2011, 02:25 AM
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So, no one drafted Greg Polis?
No. Polis and Joey Johnstone are the only 3 time all-star game players to go unselected.

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I'm surprised, especially since Todd Elik was picked.

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02-02-2011, 09:56 AM
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I'm surprised, especially since Todd Elik was picked.
On one hand, I'm not surprised, because his three best seasons are 49, 49, and 47 points. but on the other hand... he's a LW and standards are lower for wingers at this point.

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On one hand, I'm not surprised, because his three best seasons are 49, 49, and 47 points. but on the other hand... he's a LW and standards are lower for wingers at this point.
Another LW I thought might get picked is Zdeno Ciger aka Jesus from Houseboat.

And on D, Adam Burt.


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02-03-2011, 07:14 PM
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Wembley selects 6'3, 215 lbs Frantisek Musil, the Czechoslovakian world juniors all-star who defected in the mid-80s after playing as a 20 year old in the 1984 Canada Cup and scoring a goal and an assist in winning gold in the 1985 world championships. The rearguard went on to have a 797 NHL career with solid plus-minus numbers, Minnesota's top +/- in 1987-88 and 4th in the NHL in 1993-94 and a career +93. He was an all-situations second pairing guy. After the end of Soviet occupation, he played in another Canada Cup as team captain, and the following year he scored three goals and earned a medal as a tourney 1st team all-star in the 1992 world championships. The durable defensive defenseman earned ten medals in all internationally and would have had more if he hadn't missed half a decade due to his defection. A string of injuries limited his career, Edmonton nominating him for the Masterton because of it. He had a neck gash from a skate that required 22 stitches, had a spinal cord injury in a practice which cost him a full season, another neck injury involving nerve damage happened early in 2001 to end his increasingly freak-injury-plagued career.



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... a big, physical defender, combining strong skating and balance with a desire to play physically and unafraid. He even had a bit of a mean streak.

Musil was mostly a defensive-minded defenseman, more often than not making the correct safe play to get the puck out of the zone.

He made few contributions in the offensive zone. He had all the tools, just not the toolbox. He was a good skater with speed and mobility. He could handle the puck well under pressure. He had no great shot to brag about, but he he occassionally would slip down low for a back door goal.

Despite a promising array of talents, Musil seemed content to play ultra-safe on every play. He would always force a puck carrier wide rather than step up and take control. He would unfailingly fall back off the blue line rather than contain the point. He would carry the puck only a few strides, just enough to get to center ice and dump it in.

As one reporter put it, he was a reactive player rather than an active player.
http://flameslegends.blogspot.com/20...ank-musil.html

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Musil's journey to freedom began on July 15, 1986, while he was on vacation with his girlfriend at a resort in Yugoslavia. On that day, he left his girlfriend behind at the hotel to join Minnesota general manager Lou Nanne and Edmonton-based player agent Rich Winter, who had played the key role in coordinating Musil's defection. Musil got into a car with Nanne and Winter, and the trio began to look for way out of Yugoslavia. It took them two days, but they were able to get Musil through the border by using a temporary American work visa, thereby duping guards who did not know Musil's true identity as a hockey star. On July 17, 1986, the three men flew to London and then to New York on the Concorde. Shortly before midnight on July 17, carrying only a small bag with some of his possessions, Musil made it to Minnesota. He had managed to get out of Czechoslovakia without telling his family or girlfriend of his plans to defect. He had secretly studied English to prepare for the defection and had even refused to sign a five-year contract with the Czechoslovakian national team in the spring of 1986, because the contract would have required that he promise not to defect. Despite having done this, the Czechs were still willing to give him the holiday visa to go to Yugoslavia. Musil was never officially considered a defector by the U.S. government because he had come to the United States on a work permit rather than as an individual seeking political asylum. In fact, the North Stars had spent three years arranging for Musil's legal entry into the United States. In addition, Musil completed the last of his military obligations in June 1986 so that he could never be considered an army deserter and so that he would be eligible for legal holiday visas. Nevertheless, the Czechs still viewed him as a defector, and Musil knew he could not return to the Communist country until he had gained U.S. citizenship. This became a moot point seven years later when the Communist regime collapsed, however he had already returned by then, making a trip back in 1991.
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02-03-2011, 08:05 PM
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Wembley selects Quebec's first star goaltender, Frank S. Stocking, who played the 2nd most games among goaltenders in the 1890s. He pitched the idea of a hockey net on a steel frame to the ECHA in 1897 and they implemented the idea immediately, giving up the two poles convention previously used.

How good was the Quebec starter? There were none who beat him out for the job for the better part of a decade in Quebec. More research needed, of course, which is why he's such a B draft candidate. I need to get my hands on the essay "Quebec's Gallant Goalie--Frank Stocking, 1873-1961," which was distributed in printed form by Bill Fitsell at a 2008 SIHR meeting; Fitsell apparently told the story to Marc Durand of the Radio-Canada (CBC's French network). Anyone with information as to its whereabouts is urged to contact me asap. With more info, I'm pretty sure this guy belongs in an A/AA/AAA draft.

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Stocking is definitely deserving of selection. I was between him and Chittick for my starter (and the only reason I didn't select him as my back-up was I didn't want two netminders from the same era)

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Stocking is good, but he was picked in the right order IMO - after Chittick, who was after Collins, who was after Paton.

Musil had two seasons where a team ever gave him 20+ minutes a game - and one of them was the 51-point 1988 North Stars. He was a 14-18 minute defenseman practically his entire career - a #6 guy. I fail to see the upside here. He is not a what-if or if-only; he played 872 games and was mediocre.

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When will I be able to throw some picks in that thread?

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When will I be able to throw some picks in that thread?
Looks like JOOTG has four picks left.

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Wembley rounds out its line-up with the godfather of Slovakian/Czechoslovakian hockey, coach Ladislav Horsky, Stanley Cup champion Shamrocks goalie James McKenna, and the Shamrocks two-time Stanley Cup champion defensemen Frank Tansey and Frank Wall.

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Go ahead. Knock yourself out.

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NHL Captains Unselected

D Russ Anderson (82-83 Hartford)
RW Lou Angotti (67-68 Philadelphia)
D Nick Beverley (77-78 Minnesota)
D Brad Bombadir (01, 03 Minnesota)*
D Helge Bostrom (32-33 Chicago)
D Bob Boughner (02 Calgary)
D Brad Brown (01-02, 03 Minnesota)*
C Ron Chipperfield (79-80 Edmonton)
D Mike Christie (80 Colorado)
LW Gary Croteau (79-80 Colorado)
D Gord Dineen (93-93 Ottawa)
C Jim Dowd (01, 04 Minnesota)*
D Steve Finn (90-91 Quebec)
RW Dan Frawley (87 Pittsburgh)
C Jeff Halpern (05-06 Washington)
D Alex Henry (05 Minnesota)*
C Bill Hogaboam (76-77 Minnesota)
RW Mike Hough (91-92 Quebec)
D Bill Houlder (99 Tampa Bay)
LW Matt Johnson (02 Minnesota)*
LW Joey Johnston (75-75 California)
D Larry Johnston (73-74 Detroit)*
D Dean Kennedy (93 Winnipeg)
LW Andrew Ladd (10-11 Atlanta)
D Mark Lamb (93-94 Ottawa)
D Paul Laus (01-02 Florida)
LW Troy Loney (93-93 Anaheim)
RW Blair MacDonald (80-81 Edmonton)
C Alyn McCauley (03-04 San Jose)*
LW Keith McCreary (72-75 Atlanta Flames)
C Richard Park (03 Minnesota)*
RW Mark Parrish (06, 07 Minnesota)*
C Dennis Polinich (76-77 Detroit)
RW Jeff Odgers (95-96 San Jose)
D Nick Schultz (08 Minnesota)*
D Todd Simpson (97-99 Calgary)
D Brad Shaw (93-94 Ottawa)
D Steve Staois (00-01 Atlanta)
C Tim Taylor (06-08 Tampa Bay)
LW Paul Woods (79 Detroit)
D Bob Woytowich (67-68 Minnesota)*
C Sergei Zholtok (03 Minnesota)*



* = rotation

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Unselected All-Stars

G Craig Billington (New Jersey, 1993)
G Tim Cheveldae (Detroit, 1992)
G Gerry Desjardins (Buffalo, 1977)
G Michel Dion (Pittsburgh, 1982)
G Rick DiPietro (NY Islanders, 2009)
G Dave Dryden (Buffalo, 1974)
G John Garrett (Vancouver, 1983)
G Mario Gosselin (Quebec, 1986)
G Jonas Hiller (Anaheim, 2011)*
G Christobal Huet (Montreal, 2007)
G Patrick Lalime (Ottawa, 2003)
G Manny Legace (St. Louis, 2009)
G Clint Malarchuk (Quebec, Rendez-vous 87)
G Carey Price (Montreal, 2009, 2011)*
G Peter Sidorkiewicz (Ottawa, 1993)
G Wayne Stephenson (Philadelphia, 1976, 1978)
G Jocelyn Thibault (Chicago, 2003)
G Wayne Thomas (Toronto, 1976)
G Ron Tugnutt (Ottawa, 1999)
D Norm Barnes (Philadelphia, 1980)
D Nick Boynton (Boston, 2009)
D Petr Buzek (Atlanta, 2000)
D/RW Dustin Byfuglien (Atlanta, 2011)
D Erik Karlsson (Ottawa, 2011)*
D Mike Komisarek (Montreal, 2009)
D Kris Letang (Pittsburgh, 2011)*
D Lars Lindgren (Vancouver, 1980)
D Bob Manno (Toronto, 1982)
D Frank Martin (Chicago, 1955)in
D Noel Picard (St. Louis, 1969)
D Marc Staal (NY Rangers, 2011)
D Bob Woytowich (Pittsburgh, 1970)
D Keith Yandle (Phoenix, 2011)*
C Matt Duchene (Colorado, 2011)*
LW Denis Dupere (Washington, 1975)
RW Miroslav Frycer (Toronto, 1985)
RW Claude Giroux (Philadelphia, 2011)*
LW Tim Ecclestone (St. Louis, 1971)
LW Loui Eriksson (Dallas, 2011)
C Roland Eriksson (Minnesota, 1979)
RW Phil Kessel (Toronto, 2011)
C Espen Knutsen (Columbus, 2002)
RW Sergei Krivokravsov (Nashvilel, 1999)
RW Bob Kudelski (Florida, 1994)
RW Ed Johnstone (NY Rangers, 1981)
LW Joey Johnstone (California, 1973, 1974, 1975)
RW Blair MacDonald (Edmonton, 1980
RW Hector Marini (New Jersey, 1983)
RW Al McDonough (Atlanta, 1974)
LW Paul Meger (Montreal, 1951, 1952)
C Danny O’Shea (Minnesota, 1969, 1970)
RW Mark Parrish (NY Islanders, 2002)
LW Greg Polis (Pittsburgh, 1971, 1972, 1973)
RW Leon Rochefort (Philadelphia, 1968)
RW Reg Sinclair (NY Rangers 1951, Detroit 1952)
RW Bob Sirois (Washington, 1978)
C Jeff Skinner (Carolina, 2011)*
C Steve Stamkos (Tampa Bay, 2011)*
C Darren Turcotte (NY Rangers, 1991)
LW Mike York (NY Rangers, 2002)

* = ineligible for selection due to games minimum


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Unselected WHA Post-Season All-Stars:

G Dave Dryden (1st, 78-79)
G John Garrett (1st, 76-77)
G Don McLeod (1st, 73-74)
D Larry Hornung (2nd 72-73)
D Darryl Maggs (1st, 76-77)
D Kevin Morrison (1st 74-75)
C Wayne Carleton (2nd, 73-74)
LW Gary Jarrett (2nd 72-73)
RW Blair MacDonald (2nd, 78-79)
C Ron Ward (2nd 72-73)
RW Tom Webster (2nd 72-73)

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Unselected IIHF Hall of Fame Members:

G Sven Bergqvist, Sweden
G Gerry Cosby, USA
G Jim Craig, USA
G Mike Curran, USA
G Jack McCartan, USA
D Carl Erhardt, Great Britain
D Henryk Gruth, Poland
D Kobi Kolliker, Switzerland
D Marshall Johnston, Canada
D Jacques Lacarriere, France
D Barry MacKenzie, Canada
D Terry O'Malley, Canada
D Harry Sinden, Canada
F Ernest Aljancic Sr, Slovenia
C Vladimir Bouzek, Czechoslovakia
RW Philippe Bozon, France
F Ferdinand Cattini, Switzerland
F Hans Cattini, Switzerland
F Billy Christian, USA
F Bill Clearly, USA
LW Dieter Hegen, Germany
F Rudi Hiti, Slovenia
C Fran Huck, Canada
F Matti Keinonen, Finland
LW Vic Lindquist, Canada
F Tord Lundstrom, Sweden
RW Jackie McLeod, Canada
F Josef Puschnig, Austria
F? Hans Rampf, Germany
F Thomas Rundqvist, Sweden
F? Alois Scholder, Germany
C Juhani Wahlsten, Finland
F? Joachim Ziesche, Germany


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NHL Captains Unselected

D Russ Anderson (82-83 Hartford)
RW Lou Angotti (67-68 Philadelphia)
D Nick Beverley (77-78 Minnesota)
D Brad Bombadir (01, 03 Minnesota)*
D Helge Bostrom (32-33 Chicago)
D Bob Boughner (02 Calgary)
D Brad Brown (01-02, 03 Minnesota)*
C Ron Chipperfield (79-80 Edmonton)
D Mike Christie (80 Colorado)
LW Gary Croteau (79-80 Colorado)
D Gord Dineen (93-93 Ottawa)
C Jim Dowd (01, 04 Minnesota)*
D Steve Finn (90-91 Quebec)
RW Dan Frawley (87 Pittsburgh)
C Jeff Halpern (05-06 Washington)
D Alex Henry (05 Minnesota)*
C Bill Hogaboam (76-77 Minnesota)
RW Mike Hough (91-92 Quebec)
D Bill Houlder (99 Tampa Bay)
LW Matt Johnson (02 Minnesota)*
LW Joey Johnston (75-75 California)
D Larry Johnston (73-74 Detroit)*
D Dean Kennedy (93 Winnipeg)
LW Andrew Ladd (10-11 Atlanta)
D Mark Lamb (93-94 Ottawa)
D Paul Laus (01-02 Florida)
LW Troy Loney (93-93 Anaheim)
RW Blair MacDonald (80-81 Edmonton)
C Alyn McCauley (03-04 San Jose)*
LW Keith McCreary (72-75 Atlanta Flames)
C Richard Park (03 Minnesota)*
RW Mark Parrish (06, 07 Minnesota)*
C Dennis Polinich (76-77 Detroit)
RW Jeff Odgers (95-96 San Jose)
D Nick Schultz (08 Minnesota)*
D Todd Simpson (97-99 Calgary)
D Brad Shaw (93-94 Ottawa)
D Steve Staois (00-01 Atlanta)
C Tim Taylor (06-08 Tampa Bay)
LW Paul Woods (79 Detroit)
D Bob Woytowich (67-68 Minnesota)*
C Sergei Zholtok (03 Minnesota)*



* = rotation
Wow, the rotation option just opens up the floodgates.

Keith McCreary was an 'A' pick. Good player.

If I had to pick a 5-man lineup from these guys, it would be:

- Alyn McCauley. He had that big playoff, got Selke votes one year and was pretty good in a few other years.
- Lou Angotti. Pretty decent offensive numbers, good defensive guy, the captaincy is just gravy
- Andrew Ladd. Yes, he's at that point now. Ironman streak, captain, two cups, consistent 38+ point scorer, about to score 60 this year.
- Todd Simpson. Because there aren't many great choices here, and he was at least a full two-season captain. no one else here was.
- Nick Schultz. Impressive PK stats in terms of usage and how good the Wild have been. However, Hockey Prospectus showed me he's less responsible for those numbers than others on the team. So I backed off.

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Unselected All-Stars

G Craig Billington (New Jersey, 1993)
G Tim Cheveldae (Detroit, 1992)
G Gerry Desjardins (Buffalo, 1977)
G Michel Dion (Pittsburgh, 1982)
G Rick DiPietro (NY Islanders, 2009)
G Dave Dryden (Buffalo, 1974)
G John Garrett (Vancouver, 1983)
G Mario Gosselin (Quebec, 1986)
G Jonas Hiller (Anaheim, 2011)*
G Christobal Huet (Montreal, 2007)
G Patrick Lalime (Ottawa, 2003)
G Manny Legace (St. Louis, 2009)
G Clint Malarchuk (Quebec, Rendez-vous 87)
G Carey Price (Montreal, 2009, 2011)*
G Peter Sidorkiewicz (Ottawa, 1993)
G Wayne Stephenson (Philadelphia, 1976, 1978)
G Jocelyn Thibault (Chicago, 2003)
G Wayne Thomas (Toronto, 1976)
G Ron Tugnutt (Ottawa, 1999)
D Norm Barnes (Philadelphia, 1980)
D Nick Boynton (Boston, 2009)
D Petr Buzek (Atlanta, 2000)
D/RW Dustin Byfuglien (Atlanta, 2011)
D Erik Karlsson (Ottawa, 2011)*
D Mike Komisarek (Montreal, 2009)
D Kris Letang (Pittsburgh, 2011)*
D Lars Lindgren (Vancouver, 1980)
D Bob Manno (Toronto, 1982)
D Frank Martin (Chicago, 1955)in
D Noel Picard (St. Louis, 1969)
D Marc Staal (NY Rangers, 2011)
D Bob Woytowich (Pittsburgh, 1970)
D Keith Yandle (Phoenix, 2011)*
C Matt Duchene (Colorado, 2011)*
LW Denis Dupere (Washington, 1975)
RW Miroslav Frycer (Toronto, 1985)
RW Claude Giroux (Philadelphia, 2011)*
LW Tim Ecclestone (St. Louis, 1971)
LW Loui Eriksson (Dallas, 2011)
C Roland Eriksson (Minnesota, 1979)
RW Phil Kessel (Toronto, 2011)
C Espen Knutsen (Columbus, 2002)
RW Sergei Krivokravsov (Nashvilel, 1999)
RW Bob Kudelski (Florida, 1994)
RW Ed Johnstone (NY Rangers, 1981)
LW Joey Johnstone (California, 1973, 1974, 1975)
RW Blair MacDonald (Edmonton, 1980
RW Hector Marini (New Jersey, 1983)
RW Al McDonough (Atlanta, 1974)
LW Paul Meger (Montreal, 1951, 1952)
C Danny O’Shea (Minnesota, 1969, 1970)
RW Mark Parrish (NY Islanders, 2002)
LW Greg Polis (Pittsburgh, 1971, 1972, 1973)
RW Leon Rochefort (Philadelphia, 1968)
RW Reg Sinclair (NY Rangers 1951, Detroit 1952)
RW Bob Sirois (Washington, 1978)
C Jeff Skinner (Carolina, 2011)*
C Steve Stamkos (Tampa Bay, 2011)*
C Darren Turcotte (NY Rangers, 1991)
LW Mike York (NY Rangers, 2002)

* = ineligible for selection due to games minimum
Wow, a ton of mediocre players have played in the ASG.

If I had to pick, I'd take Wayne Stephenson in net, Frank Martin & Bob Woytowich on D (Woytowich was a big minute muncher for the early expansion teams, and I'm intrigued that Martin made the 1955 ASG when I had never heard of him) At forward, I'd take Greg Polis (gotta respect the three appearances), Stamkos (I could have sworn he was already taken) and Phil Kessel (two top-20s in goals including once for a good team and once for a bad team, and one time was injury-shortened as well, I thought he'd go for sure)

2nd team would be Dave Dryden in net (that he appears on the next list means he might be overlooked), Byfuglien on D (gotta respect the cup and multi-positionality, plus he's having an epic season right now), and Lars Lindgren to join him. At forward, Darren Turcotte for being a decent producer, great PKer and winner of the skating speed competition, Tim Ecclestone for his handful of 48-point seasons and deceent PKing, and Espen Knutsen, probably a perfect example of a what-if who scored 0.8 points per game at the height of the dead puck era but joined the NHL when he was likely too old to acclimate properly.

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Unselected IIHF Hall of Fame Members:

G Sven Bergqvist, Sweden
G Gerry Cosby, USA
G Jim Craig, USA
G Mike Curran, USA
G Jack McCartan, USA
D Carl Erhardt, Great Britain
D Henryk Gruth, Poland
D Kobi Kolliker, Switzerland
D Marshall Johnston, Canada
D Jacques Lacarriere, France
D Barry MacKenzie, Canada
D Terry O'Malley, Canada
D Harry Sinden, Canada
F Ernest Aljancic Sr, Slovenia
C Vladimir Bouzek, Czechoslovakia
RW Philippe Bozon, France
F Ferdinand Cattini, Switzerland
F Hans Cattini, Switzerland
F Billy Christian, USA
F Bill Clearly, USA
LW Dieter Hegen, Germany
F Rudi Hiti, Slovenia
C Fran Huck, Canada
F Matti Keinonen, Finland
LW Vic Lindquist, Canada
F Tord Lundstrom, Sweden
RW Jackie McLeod, Canada
F Josef Puschnig, Austria
F? Hans Rampf, Germany
F Thomas Rundqvist, Sweden
F? Alois Scholder, Germany
C Juhani Wahlsten, Finland
F? Joachim Ziesche, Germany
Jacques LaCarriere almost made the HHOF but was a couple letters off!

It's really tough choosing between these guys because so many of them had issues with competition level (i.e. they played so far back or played in recent years but in the B and C pools)

In net, I choose Jack McCartan. He was very close to getting the call for Melville in this draft.

On D, Marshall Johnston proved to be a pretty good NHL defenseman for a while.

The other D is Henryk Gruth. Gruth was a two-time Polish player of the year and a staple of the Polish national team for 19 straight years. In 10 of those tournaments they were in the A pool. He was poland's captain in 3 olympics and was on the B-pool all-star team once. He was 35 points in a whopping 132 international games.

At Forward, Bill Christian definitely gets the nod. He scored really well, and in the A-pool, and it's not like it was against nobodies back in the 40s, either.

Tord Lundstrom is my next choice. Despite a failed tryout with Detroit in 1974, he had a great career including 79 points in 90 international games from 1965 to 1976.

Lastly, Dieter Hegen is a guy who has crossed my radar multiple times since studying for AAA10. Hegen was a prolific scorer in germany for 2 decades and an international career that includer 85 points in 146 games.

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Unselected WHA Post-Season All-Stars:

G Dave Dryden (1st, 78-79)
G John Garrett (1st, 76-77)
G Don McLeod (1st, 73-74)
D Larry Hornung (2nd 72-73)
D Darryl Maggs (1st, 76-77)
D Kevin Morrison (1st 74-75)
C Wayne Carleton (2nd, 73-74)
LW Gary Jarrett (2nd 72-73)
RW Blair MacDonald (2nd, 78-79)
C Ron Ward (2nd 72-73)
RW Tom Webster (2nd 72-73)
hmm, no two-timers. how uninteresting...

Yeah, Dryden being here means he was probably slightly overlooked.

I definitely considered Maggs, as far back as the AAA draft.

Tom Webster was selected back when JOOTG called himself VI.

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