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02-04-2011, 01:38 AM
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theScore Blog: 'Mikka Kipprusoff: Only a Franchise Player in Your Head

Just was searching around on twitter and found a link to this horrible blog. The poster is named Jonathan Willis and he's an Oiler fan... Go figure.

Here's the link http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2011/0...-in-your-head/

Just wonder what your guys thoughts on this.

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Just was searching around on twitter and found a link to this horrible blog. The poster is named Jonathan Willis and he's an Oiler fan... Go figure.

Here's the link http://*******/eyilsU

Just wonder what your guys thoughts on this.
1: Your link is censored
2: Who are you? The blog writer? (Never seen you around here before for all I know.)
3: Miikka Kiprusoff is spelled wrong in your thread title.

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1: Your link is censored
2: Who are you? The blog writer? (Never seen you around here before for all I know.)
3: Miikka Kiprusoff is spelled wrong in your thread title.
Yeah my bad, was on my phone when creating the thread, and I'm fairly new to the forum, been on for about 2 weeks.

Oh and the link is fixed

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Kiprusoff is a franchise player for the Flames so the point is kind of moot. If the writer used a different term like superstar or elite goalie, we could be having a discussion.

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Iginla is the franchise player, not Kiprusoff... so its all the in the writers head

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Can you have more than one franchise player on a team?

What is the definition of a franchise player?

If the definition is a franchise player is someone the team NEED to win then Kipper is definite a franchise player. Without him playing at his best, this team is going no where. Nobody on the Flames is more valuable.

Has Kipper always been at his best this year? That's a different discussion

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Well we can all agree that Kipper is basically one of the franchise players for this team however you want to put a spin on it.
I agree with saillias though. Seems like the writer is getting his mind confused between elite 'tender and franchise player.

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Well we can all agree that Kipper is basically one of the franchise players for this team however you want to put a spin on it.
I agree with saillias though. Seems like the writer is getting his mind confused between elite 'tender and franchise player.
IMO you can only have 1 franchise player... and I don't think every team has one either

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IMO you can only have 1 franchise player... and I don't think every team has one either
Then who is the Canuck's franchise player? Henrik, Daniel, or Luongo?
Dallas' franchise player? Benn or Neal?
What about Tampa Bay? Lecavalier? St. Louis? Stamkos?
Montreal's player might be Subban or Price?
Carolina chooses between what, Staal and Ward?
Phaneuf or Kessel or Grabovski for Toronto?

Don't think there's just 1 franchise player on each team. Makes more sense that multiple franchise players can exist on one team. That being said, I can at least agree that not every team has one... can't think of one for the Wild, for instance, maybe Havlat?... but lots of franchises definitely have multiple franchise players.

In our case, it's Kiprusoff and Iginla, with other core players in third place tie... and Kiprusoff is undoubtedly a franchise player as much as Iginla, because of his importance of his position to our team, and how well he plays it. Iginla could argue he has priority on that title due to his career-long dedication to us, but nonetheless, still debatable.

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Then who is the Canuck's franchise player? Henrik, Daniel, or Luongo? - The Sedins are pretty much one entity, its them... they are the only I would consider having 2 franchise players, and part of that is because they are Twins
Dallas' franchise player? Benn or Neal? - Right now neither... Richards is the closest they have... maybe Eriksson
What about Tampa Bay? Lecavalier? St. Louis? Stamkos? - Stamkos and its not even close
Montreal's player might be Subban or Price? - Neither yet
Carolina chooses between what, Staal and Ward? - Staal and there shouldn't be a debate
Phaneuf or Kessel or Grabovski for Toronto? - easily Kessel
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Don't think there's just 1 franchise player on each team. Makes more sense that multiple franchise players can exist on one team. That being said, I can at least agree that not every team has one... can't think of one for the Wild, for instance, maybe Havlat?... but lots of franchises definitely have multiple franchise players.
That Koivu guy is pretty good

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In our case, it's Kiprusoff and Iginla, with other core players in third place tie... and Kiprusoff is undoubtedly a franchise player as much as Iginla, because of his importance of his position to our team, and how well he plays it. Iginla could argue he has priority on that title due to his career-long dedication to us, but nonetheless, still debatable.
clearly we have different meaning of Franchise Player... to me the franchise player is not only one of your best players but the guy you market the most... and Vancouver is the only place where the top 2 guys are in everything together

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The terms core and franchise players seems to get blurred. Iginla is the franchise player, Kipper, Regehr etc are core players

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A general rule for defining a Franchise player is a player that you could build an entire team around.

I think there are some teams that have 2 of these types of players, for example Crosby/Malkin (yeah I know Malkin is having an off year). I would venture to say that Datsyuk/Zetterberg could be included in the conversation. I would also say that both Kipper and Iggy could each qualify at different points in their career.

The NFL has tried to revise the definition to say there is only one per team (for contract reasons of course), but clearly there is potential to have more than one of that class of player on a team.

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A general rule for defining a Franchise player is a player that you could build an entire team around.

I think there are some teams that have 2 of these types of players, for example Crosby/Malkin (yeah I know Malkin is having an off year). I would venture to say that Datsyuk/Zetterberg could be included in the conversation. I would also say that both Kipper and Iggy could each qualify at different points in their career.

The NFL has tried to revise the definition to say there is only one per team (for contract reasons of course), but clearly there is potential to have more than one of that class of player on a team.
I would not call Malkin a franchise player... he seems soft and floats a lot. Crosby is pure guts and glory... takes the team (be it Penguins or Olympic team) on his shoulders and gets it done.

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