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02-06-2011, 03:05 PM
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Kessel to Nashville

IF (Nashville)Ownership is serious about taking that next step, then this move needs to be made ... what players, less Weber/Suter/Wilson would it take

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IF (Nashville)Ownership is serious about taking that next step, then this move needs to be made ... what players, less Weber/Suter/Wilson would it take
I'd rather do something around Kessel and Beauchemin + for Weber (+ depending on what else is going back). I'd trade most anything for Weber.

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don't know what value of threads annoy me the most

Kessel's or Kovelchuck from the devils

either player is moving for a long time

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Lol Kessel + Beauch for Weber

To land Weber it would require at least

Kessel
Schenn
Kadri
2012 first

Then Nashville might not hang up

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02-06-2011, 03:26 PM
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Nashville doesn't have anyone (Weber/Suter included) that could get Kessel out of Toronto. They already have too few top line forwards and too many assets committed on the blueline.

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Nashville doesn't have anyone (Weber/Suter included) that could get Kessel out of Toronto. They already have too few top line forwards and too many assets committed on the blueline.
You wouldn't trade Kessel for Weber???? wow.

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Nashville doesn't have anyone (Weber/Suter included) that could get Kessel out of Toronto. They already have too few top line forwards and too many assets committed on the blueline.


The real answer is that Kessel won't be going anywhere because that would entail Big Burkie admitting he made the biggest mistake of the last decade in flipping the Leafs' future for an unmotivated, one-dimensional second-liner now playing third line minutes on one of the most shallow offenses in the league.

Preds should target a center anyway IMO.

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Nashville doesn't have anyone (Weber/Suter included) that could get Kessel out of Toronto. They already have too few top line forwards and too many assets committed on the blueline.


Homerism of the day.

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Nashville doesn't have anyone (Weber/Suter included) that could get Kessel out of Toronto. They already have too few top line forwards and too many assets committed on the blueline.
Weber is a game changer and an absolute beast, someone you can actually build a team around... unfortunately for TOR, Kessel is none of the above, so yes you would absolutely trade Weber for Kessel, but again, it would take A LOT more to land Weber

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You wouldn't trade Kessel for Weber???? wow.
I think Jfried's being a little inciendiary here, but he's right. It's not so much that Weber and Suter aren't fair value truthfully, Kessel alone couldn't return either but it simply doesn't address the Leafs' needs. In all likelihood, Brian Burke is looking to add to his forward corps, and Kessel's the biggest piece he has.

So, while Weber's an elite player, he still wouldn't trade Kessel for him. It just opens up more holes on our roster, and doesn't address the team's biggest needs.

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You wouldn't trade Kessel for Weber???? wow.
No I wouldn't. Weber is going to make upwards of $6.5m on his next contract. They can't afford to have $13m+ committed to Phaneuf/Weber and Phaneuf just doesn't hold enough value to fix the the massive holes in our forward group (notably what would then be the entire top line). Toronto has to stop committing assets (both trade bait and dollars) on the blueline.

Crackface has it right -- I'm not saying Kessel is more valuable than Weber, that really doesn't matter. Weber does not fit into what the Leafs need to accomplish this offseason, especially at the contract he will command. It's a simple case where Toronto is better off with Kessel at $5.4m than they are with Weber at ~$7m. His value is grossly inflated on these boards -- remember that he's one year away from unrestricted free agency, so any significant discount over his free agent market value (where his "futures value" is theoretically zero) will come out of the goodness of his heart.

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The real answer is that Kessel won't be going anywhere because that would entail Big Burkie admitting he made the biggest mistake of the last decade in flipping the Leafs' future for an unmotivated, one-dimensional second-liner now playing third line minutes on one of the most shallow offenses in the league.

Preds should target a center anyway IMO.
No, the real answer is that Toronto is overloaded with assets on the blueline and weak up front, especially at the top of the lineup. Phil Kessel is the only leaf player who actually belongs on a top line, and Toronto needs to add to that rather than subtracting. The only way Kessel goes is if a better top line forward is coming back.

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Weber is a game changer and an absolute beast, someone you can actually build a team around... unfortunately for TOR, Kessel is none of the above, so yes you would absolutely trade Weber for Kessel, but again, it would take A LOT more to land Weber
That may be the case, but for better or worse our D is built around Phaneuf/Schenn, while we need to add to Phil Kessel up front.


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The real answer is that Kessel won't be going anywhere because that would entail Big Burkie admitting he made the biggest mistake of the last decade in flipping the Leafs' future for an unmotivated, one-dimensional second-liner now playing third line minutes on one of the most shallow offenses in the league.

Preds should target a center anyway IMO.
My thoughts exactly...

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Weber

NSH

Couture
Clowe
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Lol Kessel + Beauch for Weber

To land Weber it would require at least

Kessel
Schenn
Kadri
2012 first

Then Nashville might not hang up


thats RICHHHHHHHHHHHHH


weber is really good but lets not get carried away here

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Why would Nashville want him?
Kessel prevented himself from being dealt to NSH before he was subsequently dealt to TOR.
Overrated one-trick pony.

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Weber is a game changer and an absolute beast, someone you can actually build a team around... unfortunately for TOR, Kessel is none of the above, so yes you would absolutely trade Weber for Kessel, but again, it would take A LOT more to land Weber
I would happily add to Kessel to aquire Weber.

Kessel+Aulie+high 2nd round pick

or we can work something out maybe around Kessel+Kaberle if he will waive to nashville. Suter+Kaberle sounds intriguing.

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My thoughts exactly...

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NSH

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Almost as good as Kadri, Kessel, Schenn, 2012 First.

You're a gem!

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Kessel-Suter.

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Lol Kessel + Beauch for Weber

To land Weber it would require at least

Kessel
Schenn
Kadri
2012 first

Then Nashville might not hang up
But Toronto will fly first class to Nashville to slap them upside the head.

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thats RICHHHHHHHHHHHHH


weber is really good but lets not get carried away here
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Almost as good as Kadri, Kessel, Schenn, 2012 First.

You're a gem!
You're talking about trading away the face of an entire franchise, so yea it's going to require a lot...

Kessel - one-dimensional, soft and overpaid forward
Kadri - still a prospect
Schenn - someone would have to fill in some of the defensive game once Weber is gone

Couture - One season so far, let's not get carried away here
Clowe - 2nd line forward

For landing Shea F-ing Weber a true Franchise D-Man

And yes, I am a gem, I've heard that many a times, but usually from women

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Wilson for kessel straight up?

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Wilson for kessel straight up?
No, we need Wilson to grow with the team.

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You're talking about trading away the face of an entire franchise, so yea it's going to require a lot...

Kessel - one-dimensional, soft and overpaid forward
Kadri - still a prospect
Schenn - someone would have to fill in some of the defensive game once Weber is gone

Couture - One season so far, let's not get carried away here
Clowe - 2nd line forward

For landing Shea F-ing Weber a true Franchise D-Man

And yes, I am a gem, I've heard that many a times, but usually from women


this guy is hopeless

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Wilson for kessel straight up?
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No, we need Wilson to grow with the team.

doesnt work for either side, wilson is unproven, we already traded the ****ing world to aquire kessel, lets not pawn him off for much less

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Why would Nashville want him?
Kessel prevented himself from being dealt to NSH before he was subsequently dealt to TOR.
Overrated one-trick pony.
Kessel said before and after the trade he would have played in Nashville(having grown up with Suter in Madison) it came down to money. Nashville wouldn't go higher than 4.75 for 5 years, Toronto offered 5.4.

With that said, these theatrics likely wouldn't endear him to David Poile and Barry Trotz anyway, so all's well that ends well.

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