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02-07-2011, 01:59 PM
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Boohoo, I miss Sergei. The guy was nothing but a piece of **** in the locker room and did not care about anyone but himself. The guy didnt even play hard in our uniform.

**** him, he can do whatever the hell he wants in Nashville.

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Boohoo, I miss Sergei. The guy was nothing but a piece of **** in the locker room and did not care about anyone but himself. The guy didnt even play hard in our uniform.

**** him, he can do whatever the hell he wants in Nashville.
He played 3 seasons with us... not only last year.

Ribeiro was an ass, Latendresse is fat, Patrick Roy was a jerk, Grabovski is a *****, etc.

We know the drill... the minute a guy leaves Mtl, for whatever reason, he sucks and he should be ashamed to not recognize the chance he had to wear the habs uniform.

... please, a little more "critical spirit" would be appriciated.

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He played 3 seasons with us... not only last year.

Ribeiro was an ass, Latendresse is fat, Patrick Roy was a jerk, Grabovski is a *****, etc.

We know the drill... the minute a guy leaves Mtl, for whatever reason, he sucks and he should be ashamed to not recognize the chance he had to wear the habs uniform.

... please, a little more "critical spirit" would be appriciated.
Where did I say either of these things?

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He played 3 seasons with us... not only last year.

Ribeiro was an ass, Latendresse is fat, Patrick Roy was a jerk, Grabovski is a *****, etc.

We know the drill... the minute a guy leaves Mtl, for whatever reason, he sucks and he should be ashamed to not recognize the chance he had to wear the habs uniform.

... please, a little more "critical spirit" would be appriciated.
haha this is so true!!!!

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Boohoo, I miss Sergei. The guy was nothing but a piece of **** in the locker room and did not care about anyone but himself. The guy didnt even play hard in our uniform.

**** him, he can do whatever the hell he wants in Nashville.
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02-07-2011, 04:39 PM
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Where did I say either of these things?
1. His first season, as a rookie, he was dynamite. He played hard, hustle, fought, did everything you could ask of a 20yo... don't deny it.

2. Well... You think Sergei is ****... did you always fell this way when he was in the organization ? I doubt that... and I also doubt you'd be unhappy if he performed with us the way he's doing with Nashville.

The fact is that he's an incredibly gifted player and the organization somehow was able to let him get away. It's not the first time it happens and it's not only the player's fault.

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Sergei's on pace for 47 points. He has 30 points in 49 GP. In his first year with us he had 27 points in 52 GP. Very similar. I don't see how someone can say "I TOLD YOU SO" about sergei when he's got 3 more points in 3 less games than he did in his rookie year. What a MONSTER progression? Really? Relax. No one said sergei wasn't talented. He was VERY talented. People said he was a problem in the locker room, and talk about Martin all you want...even Carey Price called him out. Anyone forget that? In any case, good for Sergei, but I can hardly care less. People need to stop worrying about what we lost and worry about what we have.

Every year it's the same nonsense.

OMG, we lost halak...okay, but now mention how Price has played better this year and realize it was a good move and not just ignore the fact that management appeared to, at the very least, couldn't go wrong with either goalie. Not to mention, Eller and the potential of another tough costumer in Schultz is a win IMO. We increased the size of our prospects up front big time. Isn't that what people keep *****ing about?

Lats vs pouliot...no offense to latendresse, but one came in shape and didn't hurt his groin. The result? One may argue Lats is currently the better player, but his skills don't matter on the IR.

We got **** all for sergei, nashville CLEARLY won the deal, but please, pouliot in montreal>lats in montreal. So really, it's getting annoying hearing people use selective memory to explain our 'poor' management decisions. Pouliot, Eller, Price and likely others benefited from JM coaching. People may not see the results now, but they will be core young guys on our team.

Management has dropped the ball sometimes, but fact of the matter is they also have done a lot of right. It happens, if you wanna bash them for the bad, praise them for the good. Many teams let studs walk away. Sharp was drafted by Philly, where he had an 'amazing' 15 pts and -4 in 66 GP. I believe he got traded right before he turned 25 years old. In his 4 full years with chicago he has 3 20+ goal seasons, and another with 30+ goals. He's currently on pace for 41 Goals. All while being a leader and two-way player. Philly really dropped the bomb there. Kris versteeg(while a TML, is still a very versatile, two-way player) was traded for a minor leaguer in Brandon Bochenski by the bruins. There's a lot more examples and here we are, crying cuz a guy who didn't want to report the minors and was speculated to be a locker room problem was traded and is on pace for 47 pts?

No way am I suggesting ignore the team's failures or mistakes. All i'm saying is **** happens, and we have a lot of talented young guys and veterans we can appreciate instead of *****ing about what we don't have. Be positive instead of worrying. IMO, the only one we have a legit concern about is ribs(even tho i wasn't a fan) who turned out pretty good in dallas, but it seems to be the general consensus being sent to dallas did him a lot of good, that he may not have recieved if he remained here. Which, for the record isn't a question of management, but a question of location. Montreal is a very distracting city, and for players, the pressure, the focus and so on, may deviate someone from reaching their maximum performance.

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02-07-2011, 07:03 PM
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Sergei's on pace for 47 points. He has 30 points in 49 GP. In his first year with us he had 27 points in 52 GP. Very similar. I don't see how someone can say "I TOLD YOU SO" about sergei when he's got 3 more points in 3 less games than he did in his rookie year. What a MONSTER progression? Really? Relax. No one said sergei wasn't talented. He was VERY talented. People said he was a problem in the locker room, and talk about Martin all you want...even Carey Price called him out. Anyone forget that? In any case, good for Sergei, but I can hardly care less. People need to stop worrying about what we lost and worry about what we have.

Every year it's the same nonsense.

OMG, we lost halak...okay, but now mention how Price has played better this year and realize it was a good move and not just ignore the fact that management appeared to, at the very least, couldn't go wrong with either goalie. Not to mention, Eller and the potential of another tough costumer in Schultz is a win IMO. We increased the size of our prospects up front big time. Isn't that what people keep *****ing about?

Lats vs pouliot...no offense to latendresse, but one came in shape and didn't hurt his groin. The result? One may argue Lats is currently the better player, but his skills don't matter on the IR.

We got **** all for sergei, nashville CLEARLY won the deal, but please, pouliot in montreal>lats in montreal. So really, it's getting annoying hearing people use selective memory to explain our 'poor' management decisions. Pouliot, Eller, Price and likely others benefited from JM coaching. People may not see the results now, but they will be core young guys on our team.

Management has dropped the ball sometimes, but fact of the matter is they also have done a lot of right. It happens, if you wanna bash them for the bad, praise them for the good. Many teams let studs walk away. Sharp was drafted by Philly, where he had an 'amazing' 15 pts and -4 in 66 GP. I believe he got traded right before he turned 25 years old. In his 4 full years with chicago he has 3 20+ goal seasons, and another with 30+ goals. He's currently on pace for 41 Goals. All while being a leader and two-way player. Philly really dropped the bomb there. Kris versteeg(while a TML, is still a very versatile, two-way player) was traded for a minor leaguer in Brandon Bochenski by the bruins. There's a lot more examples and here we are, crying cuz a guy who didn't want to report the minors and was speculated to be a locker room problem was traded and is on pace for 47 pts?

No way am I suggesting ignore the team's failures or mistakes. All i'm saying is **** happens, and we have a lot of talented young guys and veterans we can appreciate instead of *****ing about what we don't have. Be positive instead of worrying. IMO, the only one we have a legit concern about is ribs(even tho i wasn't a fan) who turned out pretty good in dallas, but it seems to be the general consensus being sent to dallas did him a lot of good, that he may not have recieved if he remained here. Which, for the record isn't a question of management, but a question of location. Montreal is a very distracting city, and for players, the pressure, the focus and so on, may deviate someone from reaching their maximum performance.
Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you LL!

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02-07-2011, 07:20 PM
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1. His first season, as a rookie, he was dynamite. He played hard, hustle, fought, did everything you could ask of a 20yo... don't deny it.
Great, that is awesome. I liked what he brought to the team, he was also awesome in the playoffs that year, particularly against Boston. What did he do? He made the club, and tried to free ride his spot. He regressed in terms of effort and as a team player. He thought he was bigger than himself once he solidified a spot on the team.

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I dont understand where you keep saying I have said he wasnt a good player. Where did I say that? I was saying he had a piss poor attitude and wasnt willing to sacrifice himself for the team. I cheer for all players on the team, I supported Sergei until he turned out to be not a team player. I dont want players on my team that arent respected in the room, that dont give full efforts, or that try to show off on the ice.

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The fact is that he's an incredibly gifted player and the organization somehow was able to let him get away. It's not the first time it happens and it's not only the player's fault.
Your right, its not the first time, nor is it the last. Some players need a wakecall or a change of scenary until they start producing or being a team player. Sergei is just another on the long list.

I just love how people ***** and complain about these players that leave the organization and become average or mediocre players. Dagonstini, Obyrne, S Kostitsyn, Grabovski, these are not players I even cared about if they left, they were not willing to improve, nor did they show the capacity to do so here. I dont care about non-team players, I would rather have Pyatt who is willing to sacrifice himself rather than a Dagonstini, who IMO was a lazy player.

Its also not a coincidence these players get traded to lesser teams, have less pressure, get more icetime, and are put in a better position to put up points than here that makes people whine and curl on here about them.

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haha this is so true!!!!
It wouldnt be a Sergei thread without these two homers involved. The funniest thing is when I make a post about a player that didnt do **** here for the team, I get labeled as a hater by the people who are clearly so biased in regards to what players they like.

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Its also not a coincidence these players get traded to lesser teams, have less pressure, get more icetime, and are put in a better position to put up points than here that makes people whine and curl on here about them.
Ok then, I'm whining and you got your pink goggles on... you're no better than anyone here.

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Ok then, I'm whining and you got your pink goggles on... you're no better than anyone here.
I am not saying I am. It just baffles my mind when people put certain players ahead of their own team. Like seriously, people are upset over losing players like Dagger, Kostitsyn, Grabovski, Obyrne? Sure, they may put up points on their respective teams, but are these the type of players you build your team around to win when it matters? In my opinion, not at all.

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It wouldnt be a Sergei thread without these two homers involved. The funniest thing is when I make a post about a player that didnt do **** here for the team, I get labeled as a hater by the people who are clearly so biased in regards to what players they like.
Actually, it wouldn't be a Sergei thread if Sergei didn't produce so well and show what he is capable of when given the chance. Suddenly, he doesn't seem like a party animal, cancer of a lockeroom and lazy player anymore.

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Actually, it wouldn't be a Sergei thread if Sergei didn't produce so well and show what he is capable of when given the chance. Suddenly, he doesn't seem like a party animal, cancer of a lockeroom and lazy player anymore.
He was given many chances, not sure why you would say that. He was on the team for almost 3 seasons. It also wouldnt be the first time someone plays well after being traded.

Funny enough, when players go somewhere else and produce, its because he wasnt given the chance, or he was mismanaged. Yet, HE is the one playing well right now, HE is the one improving, yet it has nothing to do with him, only the team.

And like LL astutely pointed out, his pace right now isnt even that much greater than what he has done in the past for the Habs. The only reason this is brought up, this thread bobs like a ****ing apple, is when a player goes on a streak. Whenever someone is cold, who gives a **** right? You dont hear anyone talking about Halak in this thread right now.

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Sergei is almost a PPG player in Nashvile since he play on the first line and Pp time you can all say all you want about his attitude the kid have a good season. Sure he might cool off but he might also become better

All the Sergei didn't bring here thing is none sense. He was a raw young player with skills , I really dont understand what you guys expect on the ice from a young player like him. The Habs didn't want to be patient with him for whatever reason and now he become a good top6 player somewhere else. The Habs mishandled him big time and they made a mistake.

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He was given many chances, not sure why you would say that. He was on the team for almost 3 seasons. It also wouldnt be the first time someone plays well after being traded.

Funny enough, when players go somewhere else and produce, its because he wasnt given the chance, or he was mismanaged. Yet, HE is the one playing well right now, HE is the one improving, yet it has nothing to do with him, only the team.

And like LL astutely pointed out, his pace right now isnt even that much greater than what he has done in the past for the Habs. The only reason this is brought up, this thread bobs like a ****ing apple, is when a player goes on a streak. Whenever someone is cold, who gives a **** right? You dont hear anyone talking about Halak in this thread right now.
Sergei was sent down to Hamilton when guys like Chipchura, MaxPac, D'Ago, Latendresse, Lapierre and even White didn't have a better camp than Sergei last season..

You are a hockey player, you started the season late because of an injury but you still manage to play better than some of your teammates but in the end, you get send down in Hamilton for no reasons. I don't blame him for asking for a trade if he feels the coach doesn't like him or that the team doesn't need him.

In the end, Sergei was traded, Habs lost another young talented player, Sergei is playing well in another team and his salary will go up. So Sergei is the winner. We have a 7.3M$ 45-50 pts player, and we sent Nashville a 45-50 pts player that cost 500 000k.

If you guys are happy that we build this team by bringing overpaid players and UFAs, then good for you but I rather develop young talents and give them a real chance instead of trading all of them away.

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Sergei was sent down to Hamilton when guys like Chipchura, MaxPac, D'Ago, Latendresse, Lapierre and even White didn't have a better camp than Sergei last season..

You are a hockey player, you started the season late because of an injury but you still manage to play better than some of your teammates but in the end, you get send down in Hamilton for no reasons. I don't blame him for asking for a trade if he feels the coach doesn't like him or that the team doesn't need him.

In the end, Sergei was traded, Habs lost another young talented player, Sergei is playing well in another team and his salary will go up. So Sergei is the winner. We have a 7.3M$ 45-50 pts player, and we sent Nashville a 45-50 pts player that cost 500 000k.

If you guys are happy that we build this team by bringing overpaid players and UFAs, then good for you but I rather develop young talents and give them a real chance instead of trading all of them away, pretending they all have their chances.
Don't bother with explanations, making sense is talking nonsense for them, haters gonna hate.

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12 games, 0 goals, 2 assists and - 6
Ouch...

Is he the fourth line center? If not were does he play? This doesn't look good, traded players usually play with some fire to prove themselves.

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If you guys are happy that we build this team by bringing overpaid players and UFAs, then good for you but I rather develop young talents and give them a real chance instead of trading all of them away.
In my opinion, they kept the best ones, Price, Subban and Pacioretty. They also acquired good ones in Pouliot and Eller. This is how good teams compete, they have a good core of players(over paid or not) and they pick and chose the players they develop to be the ones on the team. Not every single prospect you have is going to stay with the club, there has to be a hierarchy of experience and talent they must break into to make an impact. You draft well, you have a good team, you are going to lose certain young players it is just how it works.

And yes, I would much rather have Gomez than Sergei, every single day of the year.

Do you ever stop posting about Gomez even when this has nothing to do with him?

I swear some of you would rather have a forward group of young players, so you dont have to overpay or some crap, why dont you take a look at teams like st louis, colorado, edmonton, florida and see if they are effective at this strategy.

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Sergei was sent down to Hamilton when guys like Chipchura, MaxPac, D'Ago, Latendresse, Lapierre and even White didn't have a better camp than Sergei last season..

You are a hockey player, you started the season late because of an injury but you still manage to play better than some of your teammates but in the end, you get send down in Hamilton for no reasons. I don't blame him for asking for a trade if he feels the coach doesn't like him or that the team doesn't need him.

In the end, Sergei was traded, Habs lost another young talented player, Sergei is playing well in another team and his salary will go up. So Sergei is the winner. We have a 7.3M$ 45-50 pts player, and we sent Nashville a 45-50 pts player that cost 500 000k.

If you guys are happy that we build this team by bringing overpaid players and UFAs, then good for you but I rather develop young talents and give them a real chance instead of trading all of them away.
Kostitsyn missed the team bus and had a terrible attitude heading into that season. That isn't "no reason".

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In my opinion, they kept the best ones, Price, Subban and Pacioretty. They also acquired good ones in Pouliot and Eller. This is how good teams compete, they have a good core of players(over paid or not) and they pick and chose the players they develop to be the ones on the team. Not every single prospect you have is going to stay with the club, there has to be a hierarchy of experience and talent they must break into to make an impact. You draft well, you have a good team, you are going to lose certain young players it is just how it works.

And yes, I would much rather have Gomez than Sergei, every single day of the year.

Do you ever stop posting about Gomez even when this has nothing to do with him?

I swear some of you would rather have a forward group of young players, so you dont have to overpay or some crap, why dont you take a look at teams like st louis, colorado, edmonton, florida and see if they are effective at this strategy.

So except Plekanec, Pacioretty is the only forward we develop properly and kept in the last 5-7 years? That's how a good team competes? Since AK is a piece of **** that is on his way out right?

A good team is build with good drafting and be able to develop their talent.

So you use bottom ranked team to make your point because they are rebuilding huh?

I rather take a look at Detroit, Vancouver, Philadelphia, Washington, Tampa Bay, Chicago, Dallas, Anaheim etc.. who builds their team (forwards) with the draft and development.

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So except Plekanec, Pacioretty is the only forward we develop properly and kept in the last 5-7 years? That's who a good team competes? Since AK is a piece of **** that is on his way out right?
Would you not consider Pouliot and Eller as developing them ourselves? Doesnt really matter if they are drafted by us. Where did I say AK is piece of ****? You really are a piece of work.

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So you use bottom ranked team to make your point because they are rebuilding huh?

I rather take a look at Detroit, Vancouver, Philadelphia, Washington, Tampa Bay, Chicago, Dallas, Anaheim etc.. who builds their team (forwards) with the draft and development.
And how many do they have? 3, 4 or 5 major contributors?

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I am not saying I am. It just baffles my mind when people put certain players ahead of their own team. Like seriously, people are upset over losing players like Dagger, Kostitsyn, Grabovski, Obyrne? Sure, they may put up points on their respective teams, but are these the type of players you build your team around to win when it matters? In my opinion, not at all.
Are Pyatt, Moen, Eller (who has clearly shown so far he doesn't belong in the NHL) and Picard the type of players you build around to win?

Excusing managements repeated poor assessments of talent also baffles the mind.

There's definitely a pattern here that has to be broken.

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Are Pyatt, Moen, Eller (who has clearly shown so far he doesn't belong in the NHL) and Picard the type of players you build around to win?

Excusing managements repeated poor assessments of talent also baffles the mind.

There's definitely a pattern here that has to be broken.
Not necessarily, but at least they play for the team and buy into the system. Those players are willing to sacrifice themselves for the team, the others not so much.

And in the case of Picard Pyatt and Eller, they are willing to spend time in the press box or get limited ice time to help the team win.

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I swear some of you would rather have a forward group of young players, so you dont have to overpay
no, i would rather have a 7.3 million dollar center who plays as if he's i dunno, worth 5.3 million....? I could definitely stomach that.

7.3 million dollar center who plays like he's worth 1 million for the first 50 games ... no thanks, I rather Seregi's over Gomez's at this point.

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