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02-07-2011, 10:09 PM
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trade him while we can still get value.

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02-07-2011, 10:11 PM
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trade him while we can still get value.
MDZ had tons of value last year, his value dropped to an all time low this year, you don't sell low, you sell high and buy low.

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02-07-2011, 10:20 PM
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trade him while we can still get value.
Agreed. He's already 20... not much room left for any sort of improvement. I actually expected him to play until he was 40 years old, with no set backs in his development, and be a future HOFer. So, this "sophomore slump" nonsense is really not acceptable...

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Agreed. He's already 20... not much room left for any sort of improvement. I actually expected him to play until he was 40 years old, with no set backs in his development, and be a future HOFer. So, this "sophomore slump" nonsense is really not acceptable...
1) Not much room for any sort of improvement? Most defensemen don't develop fully until they are 22-23 years old. Even Doughty is having a terrible slump.

2) You expected him to be a HOFer? Talk about setting expectations WAY TOO HIGH.

3) Your post is 'not acceptable'

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02-07-2011, 10:25 PM
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1) Not much room for any sort of improvement? Most defensemen don't develop fully until they are 22-23 years old. Even Doughty is having a terrible slump.

2) You expected him to be a HOFer? Talk about setting expectations WAY TOO HIGH.

3) Your post is 'not acceptable'
He was being sarcastic...I think

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02-07-2011, 10:29 PM
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MDZ our new leetch!! should be in the AHL. our idiot coach thinks this is helping him. torts is becoming part of the problem with this team right now. he's a pigheaded @ss.

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1) Not much room for any sort of improvement? Most defensemen don't develop fully until they are 22-23 years old. Even Doughty is having a terrible slump.

2) You expected him to be a HOFer? Talk about setting expectations WAY TOO HIGH.

3) Your post is 'not acceptable'
... what's the definition of sarcasm?

My post served its purpose... it was irrational... just like the majority of posts these days about MDZ. He's absolutely struggling... not denying that... but the criticism towards him is nuts. An uber talented, 20 year old dman, is now the "whipping boy"... he could make the smallest mistake, and people will complain he had a terrible game. But if on Friday he scores two goals against the Thrashers and minimizes his mistakes defensively, I bet there would be some posts about "how he's turned the corner".

It's definitely an interesting read/ride right now as an outside observer...

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02-07-2011, 10:36 PM
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... what's the definition of sarcasm?

My post served its purpose... it was irrational... just like the majority of posts these days about MDZ. He's absolutely struggling... not denying that... but the criticism towards him is nuts. An uber talented, 20 year old dman, is now the "whipping boy"... he could make the smallest mistake, and people will complain he had a terrible game. But if on Friday he scores two goals against the Thrashers and minimizes his mistakes defensively, I bet there would be some posts about "how he's turned the corner".

It's definitely an interesting read/ride right now as an outside observer...
My apologies. My Sarcasm Detector broke when I smashed it after the last few minutes of this game.

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02-07-2011, 10:42 PM
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It's funny how MDZ wasn't NHL ready according to Torts a few weeks ago, then suddenly after filling (badly at that) in for a hurt Girardi he's
ready for prime time all of a sudden?

MDZ just recently said that he took the comment from torts about not having a PPQB on the team personally. He shouldn't be worried about having to be that for his club @ 19! Another example of Torts burning out the youth.

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02-07-2011, 11:03 PM
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Del Zotto is the biggest disappointment this season. I am starting to think we need to trande him ASAP, I don't see any improvement in any area only regression.

Maybe we should trade him and sign or trade for a real offensive defenseman.

Trading Sanguinetti turned out to be the right move his career is really in question at this point. And Del Zotto is going in the similar direction.

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It's funny how MDZ wasn't NHL ready according to Torts a few weeks ago, then suddenly after filling (badly at that) in for a hurt Girardi he's
ready for prime time all of a sudden?

MDZ just recently said that he took the comment from torts about not having a PPQB on the team personally. He shouldn't be worried about having to be that for his club @ 19! Another example of Torts burning out the youth.
I said the same thing in another thread, guess the orders for Del Zotto to play must be coming from above cause Torts defintely did not want him here before the break and it is hard to say in what aspect he has looked improved at all?

In the other thread they were talking that Gilroy or Eminger are more likely being shopped as rentals, but who really knows? Could they be showcasing (hahah) Del Zotto as part of a package to bring back a young d-man who can help now? I doubt it, I really do, but stranger things have happened.

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trade him while we can still get value.
All 20 year olds struggling in the NHL should be traded asap. Brilliant logic.

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MDZ our new leetch!! should be in the AHL. our idiot coach thinks this is helping him. torts is becoming part of the problem with this team right now. he's a pigheaded @ss.
Only a fool would compare MDZ and Leetch. Two totally different players, actually.

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It's funny how MDZ wasn't NHL ready according to Torts a few weeks ago, then suddenly after filling (badly at that) in for a hurt Girardi he's
ready for prime time all of a sudden?

MDZ just recently said that he took the comment from torts about not having a PPQB on the team personally. He shouldn't be worried about having to be that for his club @ 19! Another example of Torts burning out the youth.
Team hasn't been scoring. Torts probably wanted the more offensive dmen in the line-up against a team that knows how to defend.

MDZ had a few 20-minute games last season. You can critique Torts for overusing him (and Gilroy) last season, but he's consistently skimped their TOI this season. Burning the youth, you say?

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Del Zotto is the biggest disappointment this season. I am starting to think we need to trande him ASAP, I don't see any improvement in any area only regression.

Maybe we should trade him and sign or trade for a real offensive defenseman.

Trading Sanguinetti turned out to be the right move his career is really in question at this point. And Del Zotto is going in the similar direction.
Compare MDZ's NHL stats to Sanguinetti's AHL stats. Bobby couldn't even survive Torts's ****ing hell-camp. He collapsed like a baby during hell week. Go and take a look at how he's doing this season, btw~

The biggest dissapointment here, is how some guys are expecting a 20 year old to play the hardest position on the ice with ease. Look at how many sophomore dmen this season are struggling. Bogosian and Myers ring a bell, and both are superior to Del Zotto. You think Atlanta and Buffalo are looking to get rid of their prized young dmen, because they're struggling their second year in the pro? Grow up.

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02-08-2011, 04:58 PM
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All 20 year olds struggling in the NHL should be traded asap. Brilliant logic.

Only a fool would compare MDZ and Leetch. Two totally different players, actually.

Team hasn't been scoring. Torts probably wanted the more offensive dmen in the line-up against a team that knows how to defend.

MDZ had a few 20-minute games last season. You can critique Torts for overusing him (and Gilroy) last season, but he's consistently skimped their TOI this season. Burning the youth, you say?

Compare MDZ's NHL stats to Sanguinetti's AHL stats. Bobby couldn't even survive Torts's ****ing hell-camp. He collapsed like a baby during hell week. Go and take a look at how he's doing this season, btw~
The biggest dissapointment here, is how some guys are expecting a 20 year old to play the hardest position on the ice with ease. Look at how many sophomore dmen this season are struggling. Bogosian and Myers ring a bell, and both are superior to Del Zotto. You think Atlanta and Buffalo are looking to get rid of their prized young dmen, because they're struggling their second year in the pro? Grow up.
Agree with everything, a lot of you are going to look like idiots a few years down the road.

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Send DZ down. Bring Vtank up, I wanna see his shot on the PP.


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You think Atlanta and Buffalo are looking to get rid of their prized young dmen, because they're struggling their second year in the pro? Grow up.
Umm...I'm all for keeping MDZ, I think he's got a bright future but...
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MCKENZIE:It was only a matter of time until the Zach Bogosian trade rumors surfaced.
http://tsn.ca/blogs/bob_mckenzie/?id=353002

Personally I think Atlanta is foolish and the Rangers should take advantage of it if they can.


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MDZ had tons of value last year, his value dropped to an all time low this year, you don't sell low, you sell high and buy low.
I think this is a strong FANTASY hockey strategy, while being a rather weak one with real teams. The market dictates the value of players, not their stats. Even with MDZ having a rough sophomore year, a team might see that as an opportunity to put in a proposal that might help them save salary by dumping a high value/high contract player for a decent return.

keep in mind Milbury had sell low trading partners that wound up getting massive deals as Milbury was constantly betting on those players returning with enough in the tank to be valuable contributers to the NYI cause (which at the time he constantly felt was a borderline playoff team that could begin a serious playoff push, while at the same time selling his own players low as they were very early in their development processes.

It's impossible to fully judge what teams are willing to part with what players in return for futures be they prospects or picks.

As far as MDZ goes his play early on was atrocious. The kid is a festering minus machine still. But deciding he should be on the chopping block this early in his development due to poor defensive zone coverage (when he's obviously being groomed as a PP styled offensive d-man), would be cutting bait way too early.

Slats should definitely entertain offers should they come his way, and pursue a serious home-run deal. Anything short of that sure be walked away from, as this team is multiple players away from being a deep playoff threat anyhow, and the core is still young enough where MDZ's development would coincide with a bunch of them beginning to meet their potential

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Del Zotto needs more time in AHL or maybe traded. He isn't doing much good in NHL.

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How many games is he going to lose for us by himself? He is terrible.

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Del Zotto needs more time in AHL or maybe traded. He isn't doing much good in NHL.
Yup.

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The funny thing is you guys probably want to crucify him for the play that led to the trip.

The mistake was actually the initial pass around the wall to Wolski.

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The funny thing is you guys probably want to crucify him for the play that led to the trip.

The mistake was actually the initial pass around the wall to Wolski.
What about his slide on the Thrashers' 1st goal?

And where is his offense? Where is Gilroy's offense?

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Gilroy and Del Zotto both suck.

I like Wolski and all but can we have Rozy back?


Send Del Zotto down though. He's absolutely awful right now. Forget the turnover/trip, there are little details that he's not doing well. Just not using his stick or keeping his lanes while the opposition enters the zone.

I blame this on Torts/Sather for having a kid in there who shouldn't be. And Gilroy too to be honest.

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What about his slide on the Thrashers' 1st goal?

And where is his offense? Where is Gilroy's offense?
I'm not defending him...MDZ is just mentally screwed up right now.

His decision to make the pass to Wolski was a bigger mental blunder than the puck hitting his stick and going in front to Antropov.

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Bring up Valentenko

send down or trade Gilroy and Del Zotto for some real defenseman.

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Gilroy and DZ both need to go far away from this team. Absolute horrendous games from both of them yet again. But no, Torts, 6-game winless streak but just keep playing them and keep sitting Eminger. It makes sense.


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I'm not defending him...MDZ is just mentally screwed up right now.

His decision to make the pass to Wolski was a bigger mental blunder than the puck hitting his stick and going in front to Antropov.
I never disagreed. 2 of the 3 goals against are thanks to Del Zotto's incompetence.

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