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02-07-2011, 09:58 PM
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A Setoguchi acquisition would only make sense if we had an elite playmaker to play with him, and both of our scoring line centers are out with no timetable for return.
I'd still trade for Setoguchi if the opportunity was there.

It's not like he'd be a rental just for the playoffs. It would be more of a long-term deal that would help in the short-term to.

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02-07-2011, 10:09 PM
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Three way trade with Toronto so SJ can get Beauchemin or Kaberle?

Or with Ottawa so SJ can get Phillips + Ruutu?


Something like:

To Toronto: PIT 1st rnd pick
To San Jose: Kaberle or Beauchemin + Tyler Kennedy
To Pittsburgh: Setoguchi
Setoguchi isn't worth a 1st round pick, let alone a 1st round pick and a contributing roster player.

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02-07-2011, 10:41 PM
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Setoguchi isn't worth a 1st round pick, let alone a 1st round pick and a contributing roster player.
How would you fix that deal to be more even then?

The big problem I would see is that Setoguchi could pretty much land them any d-man they want on the rental market.

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02-07-2011, 11:09 PM
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I'm not going to post what I would give because San Jose fans will freak.

What I'll say is that he's so incredibly risky, and I don't think SJ fans will get for him (if he's traded at all) what they think he's worth. Just like Poni last season with Toronto. They were asking for a 1st and a top prospect and he got Luca Caputi...

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I'm not going to post what I would give because San Jose fans will freak.

What I'll say is that he's so incredibly risky, and I don't think SJ fans will get for him (if he's traded at all) what they think he's worth. Just like Poni last season with Toronto. They were asking for a 1st and a top prospect and he got Luca Caputi...
Ponikarovsky was also a UFA rather than Seto's RFA status. That makes a difference in value...substantially.

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02-07-2011, 11:49 PM
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I'd also say Setoguchi > Ponikarovsky.

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"In San Jose's case, assuming Sharks GM Doug Wilson is willing to consider moving Setoguchi, a young defenceman such as 25-year-old Alex Goligoski may have to be included."

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/dregerreport/

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"In San Jose's case, assuming Sharks GM Doug Wilson is willing to consider moving Setoguchi, a young defenceman such as 25-year-old Alex Goligoski may have to be included."

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/dregerreport/
Is Hfboards Dreger's scoure? .

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"In San Jose's case, assuming Sharks GM Doug Wilson is willing to consider moving Setoguchi, a young defenceman such as 25-year-old Alex Goligoski may have to be included."

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/dregerreport/
If Goose is traded for a guy like Setoguchi it wont be one for one. I'd expect something like Coyle coming back as well. Goligoski is signed for an extra year, is more productive, and plays a more important role. Doubt sharks fans would do that though.

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If Goose is traded for a guy like Setoguchi it wont be one for one. I'd expect something like Coyle coming back as well. Goligoski is signed for an extra year, is more productive, and plays a more important role. Doubt sharks fans would do that though.
Seto is still an RFA after this season though, so it's not like he's a rental.

Coyle isn't going anywhere. Not a chance.

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Ponikarovsky was also a UFA rather than Seto's RFA status. That makes a difference in value...substantially.
Poni also was a 50 point player last season (and a 60 point player the year before that), where as Setoguchi is on pace for 30, and has been in decline mode going on his 2nd season. That evens out the RFA-UFA, IMO. It's not like we're dealing with some sort of superstar here. It'd be different if Seto was putting up 25 goals and 50 points and then was going into RFA. He's not. He's quite risky.

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Poni also was a 50 point player last season (and a 60 point player the year before that), where as Setoguchi is on pace for 30, and has been in decline mode going on his 2nd season. That evens out the RFA-UFA, IMO. It's not like we're dealing with some sort of superstar here. It'd be different if Seto was putting up 25 goals and 50 points and then was going into RFA. He's not. He's quite risky.
My point is that you can't compare the value of a rental to that of an RFA...regardless of their play level. It makes no sense to do it. If the Sharks deal Setoguchi, it's going to get them the d-man that they want, plain and simple. They're not going to deal him for draft picks simply because someone may view Ponikarovsky as his superior and that's what he got as a rental. That doesn't make any sense.

I wouldn't mind Goligoski on the Sharks but I don't see the Sharks, nor the Pens for that matter, liking the deal centered around Setoguchi going the other way. The Sharks want three scoring lines going into the playoffs and they have that right now. Dealing Setoguchi creates a hole in that department.

If there's a young winger to be had, it's Jamie McGinn. Not Devin Setoguchi.

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Seto is still an RFA after this season though, so it's not like he's a rental.

Coyle isn't going anywhere. Not a chance.
Yeah, and Goligoski is a top 4 defenceman signed for 1.83 next year and RFA after that. 21 Defenceman have more points than Goose. 204 forwards have more points than Seto. Neither guy is a rental, but Goligoski is far and away the better asset.

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Seto + Douglas Murray <---> Gogo + Dupuis (rental)

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You're getting picks and prospects from Pittsburgh. Shero won't deal roster players, specifically ones who are contributing.

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Seto is simply not worth Alex Goligoski.

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