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I really dont see ottawa moving Michalek. The price is going to be expensive if he does get moved. Although this has been a horribel season. I dont think a complete rebuild is in store. Michalek would be a great 2nd liner if the Sens can find a 1st line winger for Spezza like they have stated that they want to and have an oppurtunity to do so with Kovalev and Leclaire leaving soon.
Considering the biggest thing plaguing the Pens is the long-term injuries to our two biggest stars, adding a forward who is also quite the injury risk doesn't seem like a smart move.
Also, at this point I think I'm actually less interested in giving up Kuhnhackl than I am Jeffrey. Mainly it's because the Pens, when everyone is healthy, is fine at center and thus Jeffrey's more expendable. Whereas Kuhnhackl, though an outside shot right now, has the makings of a potential answer to the Pens' top six wing situation in about 4 or 5 years.
We have 13M in cap space to re-sign Phillips. Everything else is gravy. There is no reason for us to trade a top line/top 6 two-way forward for prospects that could become as good as Michalek.
I can understand Pens fans refusing the deal as Jeffrey is a nice piece.
Ottawa has lots of secondary, depth prospects already. We could use Michalek a lot more than those pieces.
For frame of reference... in it's first 15 years of drafting, Ottawa turned only two 2nd rounders into anything close to Michalek (Fisher & Vermette). The rest never made it and a couple played parts of 2-3 seasons. Ottawa was considering very good at drafting for approximately the first 10 of those years.
For frame of reference... in it's first 15 years of drafting, Ottawa turned only two 2nd rounders into anything close to Michalek (Fisher & Vermette). The rest never made it and a couple played parts of 2-3 seasons. Ottawa was considering very good at drafting for approximately the first 10 of those years.
2nds generally have a higher chance of turning into something nowaways compared to the late 90s and early 2000s.
Want proof? It's looking likely that Silfverberg, Lehner and Wiercioch will turn into players for us.
2nds generally have a higher chance of turning into something nowaways compared to the late 90s and early 2000s.
Want proof? It's looking likely that Silfverberg, Lehner and Wiercioch will turn into players for us.
I've seen a lot of prospects come and go over the years; lots of them were 2nd rounders. The only pick Ottawa has consistently put into the NHL are 1st rounders.
Michalek only has 22 points in 49 games this year. Goligoski has 28 in 54. I take Gogo all day. Kuhn has a shot at being a very good scoring winger in the future, Jeffrey has been looking fantastic in the time he's been up, and our first round pick, if moved, is going to be moved for a better asset than Michalek.
Ottawa has lots of secondary, depth prospects already. We could use Michalek a lot more than those pieces.
For frame of reference... in it's first 15 years of drafting, Ottawa turned only two 2nd rounders into anything close to Michalek (Fisher & Vermette). The rest never made it and a couple played parts of 2-3 seasons. Ottawa was considering very good at drafting for approximately the first 10 of those years.
As the Sens are rebuilding they should be looking to create as much depth and open up as much cap space as they can.
I see no issue building a forward group that has one 1st line, two second lines and a third line in terms of depth and talent. Maybe that's just me though.
I'd love to add Milan, but I wouldn't be interested in moving a roster player like Jeffrey who has been great thus far.
What about something based around our 1st?
1st+Kuhnhackl?
If Shero moves his 1st round pick, it'll be for a game-changer like Hossa. Don't think he's going to deal a 1st for a Michalek-caliber player. Not meant to be a knock on Michalek, it's just the Pens strategy to usually keep their first rounders.
As the Sens are rebuilding they should be looking to create as much depth and open up as much cap space as they can.
I see no issue building a forward group that has one 1st line, two second lines and a third line in terms of depth and talent. Maybe that's just me though.
Teams don't rebuild "in one year". Ottawa is re-tooling.
Cap space is irrelevant to Ottawa in the near future. Cowen, Rundblad and Lottery pick will drive down the cost of the team.
Your proposal has nothing to do with adding any potential 1st line calibre prospects. You're merely adding 3 mediocre pieces and we'd be damn lucky if any of them turned into Michalek in the next 5 years. We can get pieces like that for UFA's this year and next.... while maintaining a decent team for the prospects to join.
If Shero moves his 1st round pick, it'll be for a game-changer like Hossa. Don't think he's going to deal a 1st for a Michalek-caliber player. Not meant to be a knock on Michalek, it's just the Pens strategy to usually keep their first rounders.
Pens 1st = Ottawa 2nd
Why would Ottawa be even remotely interested in moving Michalek for a late 1st??? And you are even saying you wanna get an impact star player for that? lollllll
Teams don't rebuild "in one year". Ottawa is re-tooling.
Cap space is irrelevant to Ottawa in the near future. Cowen, Rundblad and Lottery pick will drive down the cost of the team.
Your proposal has nothing to do with adding any potential 1st line calibre prospects. You're merely adding 3 mediocre pieces and we'd be damn lucky if any of them turned into Michalek in the next 5 years. We can get pieces like that for UFA's this year and next.... while maintaining a decent team for the prospects to join.
If the goal is to win a cup it's simply not going to happen trying to plug holes with a lack of depth behind it.
If you think Jeffrey is mediocre then you can't possibly think we have anything of substance 25 or younger among forwards.
I think the Sens should be dropping as much money as they can, adding tons of young depth and see what sticks. Then they can buy talent when the youth has matured and it's ready.
You said so yourself
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I've seen a lot of prospects come and go over the years; lots of them were 2nd rounders.
Would it not make sense to load up on as much youth as possible? We have those young D... it would be nice to develop 10-15 young forwards with them and see what blooms.
Before Sens fans think I'm crazy, but I'd rather have Kovalev on the Pens than Michalek and here's why.
The Pens forwards are a bunch of grinders that put pressure in the offensive zone through forechecking under Bylsma's system. With Malkin hurt, Crosby is the only other forward on the team who can effectively carry the puck in the offensive zone. On the defensive side, Letang is slick and is great at carrying the puck in.
Take Crosby out of the equation and the Pens then become a dump/chase team. Adding Kovalev to the mix gives them another option for someone who can carry the puck in the zone. Plus he loved playing in Pittsburgh and Lemieux likes him a lot, so maybe it would light a fire under his ass.
Why would Ottawa be even remotely interested in moving Michalek for a late 1st??? And you are even saying you wanna get an impact star player for that? lollllll
He never said it would be a 1st for an impact player straight up.
He even referenced the Hossa trade where a first was part of a bigger package.
If the goal is to win a cup it's simply not going to happen trying to plug holes with a lack of depth behind it.
If you think Jeffrey is mediocre then you can't possibly think we have anything of substance 25 or younger among forwards.
I think the Sens should be dropping as much money as they can, adding tons of young depth and see what sticks. Then they can buy talent when the youth has matured and it's ready.
You said so yourself
Would it not make sense to load up on as much youth as possible? We have those young D... it would be nice to develop 10-15 young forwards with them and see what blooms.
That to me sounds promising
Ottawa has depth, on the team and in the prospect pool. The key areas to address are #1 goalie and upwards of two 1st line calibre offensive forwards. That's top end talent, not depth.
Perennial losers with no contributing veteran leadership produce some very flawed players who never lead their teams anywhere and never have any concept of what it takes to win. Actively stripping down the cap instead of just trading expiring salaries as they come or prospects actually prove they can replace vets is a terrible idea.
Recent Cup winners have had a mix of vets and youngsters, typically gaining great value on the youngsters' low ELC's to build teams that are better value than the cap.
Why would Ottawa be even remotely interested in moving Michalek for a late 1st??? And you are even saying you wanna get an impact star player for that? lollllll
No, I'm saying the Pens acquiring a Despres/Bennett caliber prospect is more valuable to a team like Pittsburgh- especially for an organization that's relatively light in terms of the caliber of prospects in the system right now.
Ottawa has depth, on the team and in the prospect pool. The key areas to address are #1 goalie and upwards of two 1st line calibre offensive forwards. That's top end talent, not depth.
Perennial losers with no contributing veteran leadership produce some very flawed players who never lead their teams anywhere and never have any concept of what it takes to win. Actively stripping down the cap instead of just trading expiring salaries as they come or prospects actually prove they can replace vets is a terrible idea.
Recent Cup winners have had a mix of vets and youngsters, typically gaining great value on the youngsters' low ELC's to build teams that are better value than the cap.
Sens players not set to hit UFA within two years
Spezza, Alfredsson, Michalek, Fisher
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Youth
Regin, Foligno, Butler, Regin, Smith, Silfverberg, O'Brien and the 2011 first
You honestly think that there will be a forward core capable of winning a cup?
1. It's not good enough
2. The Sens will not attract prime UFA aged players for the first line... only 1-2 hit UFA anyways
So how does one go about finding top line talent? Need to build the depth up, open cap space and then see what sticks and trade the excess depth in packages for top end talent.
What you want the Sens to do is not possible. The Sens will not attract the UFAs you think they will...
