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Bogosian/Seabrook offered for top 4 picks?

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02-09-2011, 12:33 AM
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Bogosian/Seabrook offered for top 4 picks?

Just seeing the recent rumours and trying to put two and two together.

Edmonton is rumoured with both Bogosian and Seabrook from fairly reliable sources.

Bruins have received an "intriguing" offer for the Tor 1st. Bruins could use some help on the blueline and have cap space. Especially if Savard is out for life.

Both Atlanta and Chicago could use any of the top 4 players in this years draft.

/Canucks offer a 1st and Schneider for either.

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02-09-2011, 12:50 AM
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Boston? No way. They've got no cap space, 3 incredible centers with concussion history. They're drafting the best d-man available. They might get paid to move down a few spots, but they're drafting a d-man IMO>

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I hope that if Larsson is off the board and the Islanders have the 3rd/4th overall pick, they trade it for Bogosian, Seabrook, or EJ.

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You know if Bogosian and Seabrook were moved it actually would probably make some sense for Hawks and Thrashers too hook up again in trade

Bogosian + Thrashers 1st in 2011 for Seabrook

Thrashers get a shutdown dman who is young but proven ,, Hawks get a young dman in need of change of scenery + another asset for reload

Dudley is said to be working phones desperately and the Thrashers are in free fall

For Hawks it would be bitter pill to sell fans but they could always say they couldn't afford Seabrook longterm and got young assets for reload + free cap room for free agency

We have seen Hawks loading up on young defensive prospects in recent years so maybe they have been planning for possibility that Seabrook would want too much $$$ and we couldn't afford him longterm

Nick Leddy (1st round 2009 draft) (Trade with Wild) is currenly on NHL roster

Dylan Olsen (1st round 2009 draft)
Ivan Vishnevskiy (1st round 2006 draft) (Trade with Thrashers)
Shawn Lalonde (3rd round 2008 draft)

All 3 are in Rockford

Stephen Johns and Justin Holl were both picked in 2nd round of 2010 draft ,, Adding another young dman such as Bogosian to go with Keith , Campbell and Hjalmarsson and 1 or 2 of those dman would make some sense

Not saying I support trading Seabs or want Bogosian but I think this makes some sense in my head

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02-09-2011, 04:37 AM
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Just seeing the recent rumours and trying to put two and two together.

Edmonton is rumoured with both Bogosian and Seabrook from fairly reliable sources.

Bruins have received an "intriguing" offer for the Tor 1st. Bruins could use some help on the blueline and have cap space. Especially if Savard is out for life.

Both Atlanta and Chicago could use any of the top 4 players in this years draft.

/Canucks offer a 1st and Schneider for either.
Snow wanted Bogo on draft day,but couldn't land him.

Unless the isles scouts have fallen hard for a particular prospect,I expect Snow will be shopping his first rounder this yr for Bogo.At 20,he'd fit right into the youth movement,has a high ceiling and has a few more yrs development then the 2011 prospects.

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You know if Bogosian and Seabrook were moved it actually would probably make some sense for Hawks and Thrashers too hook up again in trade

Bogosian + Thrashers 1st in 2011 for Seabrook
Adding a first seems steep for a generally sideways movement. Bogosian is still a VERY VERY good dman and prospect

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It's my opinion that at least Atlanta would be looking for legit NHLers in return. They're in the playoff hunt, and they're looking to win. This year. The fan base needs something to go on. Selling for draft picks is only going to help the people of Winnipeg. The city of Atlanta needs to see some success and soon.

And as for Chicago, I could see rentals to get them over the hump and in the west's top 8.

I just don't see Edmonton (one of the rumored teams) giving up their obviously high pick. It's possible I'm wrong though.

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You know if Bogosian and Seabrook were moved it actually would probably make some sense for Hawks and Thrashers too hook up again in trade

Bogosian + Thrashers 1st in 2011 for Seabrook

Thrashers get a shutdown dman who is young but proven ,, Hawks get a young dman in need of change of scenery + another asset for reload

Dudley is said to be working phones desperately and the Thrashers are in free fall

For Hawks it would be bitter pill to sell fans but they could always say they couldn't afford Seabrook longterm and got young assets for reload + free cap room for free agency

We have seen Hawks loading up on young defensive prospects in recent years so maybe they have been planning for possibility that Seabrook would want too much $$$ and we couldn't afford him longterm

Nick Leddy (1st round 2009 draft) (Trade with Wild) is currenly on NHL roster

Dylan Olsen (1st round 2009 draft)
Ivan Vishnevskiy (1st round 2006 draft) (Trade with Thrashers)
Shawn Lalonde (3rd round 2008 draft)

All 3 are in Rockford

Stephen Johns and Justin Holl were both picked in 2nd round of 2010 draft ,, Adding another young dman such as Bogosian to go with Keith , Campbell and Hjalmarsson and 1 or 2 of those dman would make some sense

Not saying I support trading Seabs or want Bogosian but I think this makes some sense in my head
That is stacking in Black Hawks favour. They might trade Bogosian for Seabrooke even up, no way includes a first round pick with it. Be closer the other way, Hawks include a #1 pick. Given Bogosian's upside.

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Boston? No way. They've got no cap space, 3 incredible centers with concussion history. They're drafting the best d-man available. They might get paid to move down a few spots, but they're drafting a d-man IMO>
Sure they have cap room to add a player now that Savard is on LTIR. If they could get a Seabrook or Bogosian for that Tor pick, they most certainly will.

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i dont see either player being dealt for a pick considering their situations and goals for the season. If chicago gets nothing but DP for Seabrook they are out before the playoffs even start... they likely dont even make the playoffs. ATL i can see being as good off without BOGO as with him if they were healthy... so they could deal for a DP and not lose on the present.

In the end both teams are looking for assets to use now... the Seabrook trade would definently require a significant asset coming back.

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That is stacking in Black Hawks favour. They might trade Bogosian for Seabrooke even up, no way includes a first round pick with it. Be closer the other way, Hawks include a #1 pick. Given Bogosian's upside.
You can't be serious.

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That is stacking in Black Hawks favour. They might trade Bogosian for Seabrooke even up, no way includes a first round pick with it. Be closer the other way, Hawks include a #1 pick. Given Bogosian's upside.

Strongly disagree. There have been a ton of guys who were highly drafted and had "upside" that never made it in the NHL. Seabrook is already a #1 d-man (can play 25 minutes a night in any situation on a play-off team), and is only 25 YO. The small chance that Bogosian turns out better than Seabrook is RIGHT NOW (which would mean ZB becomes a franchise d-man and consistent Norris candidate), isn't worth the certainty of having a guy who has proven what he can contribute.

And I'm a big ZB fan. I just think that Seabrook has signficantly higher trade value right now.

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Strongly disagree. There have been a ton of guys who were highly drafted and had "upside" that never made it in the NHL. Seabrook is already a #1 d-man (can play 25 minutes a night in any situation on a play-off team), and is only 25 YO. The small chance that Bogosian turns out better than Seabrook is RIGHT NOW (which would mean ZB becomes a franchise d-man and consistent Norris candidate), isn't worth the certainty of having a guy who has proven what he can contribute.

And I'm a big ZB fan. I just think that Seabrook has signficantly higher trade value right now.
Seabrook maybe better but Bogosian is already pretty good and also plays over 22mins\night. Bogosian is younger and cheaper and is not far away from being a top pairing D. To a team pushing for playoffs and a lot of cap room Seabrook would hold more value but to a team like the Islanders, Oilers and even the Hawks (cap concious) Bogo fits in better then Seabrook.

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Well if they are chasing after our 1st, they'd probably better look elsewhere. We are rebuilding and that pick is not on the table.

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Well if they are chasing after our 1st, they'd probably better look elsewhere. We are rebuilding and that pick is not on the table.
both teams are looking to make the playoffs this year. OP's logic is flawed. A top 4 pick is not the traget. It will be a young cheap scorer who can help get them to the playoffs + a Dman or a pick

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i highly doubt seabrook for a top pick

why woudl the hawks do that? with bonus' the top draft pick will have a cap hit of what? say 3.75 or so..

so its not exactly a salary cap saving move is it

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I can't see Atlanta trying to build a fan base by 'selling hope' like the Oilers do. If Bogosian is traded, it's for an overkill of assets, right now.

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I think Atlanta would be stupid to trade Bogosian so early, unless it's a ridiculous return. He has a ton of potential. I wouldn't trade him for anyone in this draft.

That being said it is possible due to the team struggling both financially and in the standings. Wouldn't be surprised if they go for the quick fix.
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Well if they are chasing after our 1st, they'd probably better look elsewhere. We are rebuilding and that pick is not on the table.
Thanks for the input Edmonton GM

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I can't see Atlanta trying to build a fan base by 'selling hope' like the Oilers do. If Bogosian is traded, it's for an overkill of assets, right now.
Came in to post this. Picks will sweeten any deal, but Atlanta needs ready players.

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You know if Bogosian and Seabrook were moved it actually would probably make some sense for Hawks and Thrashers too hook up again in trade

Bogosian + Thrashers 1st in 2011 for Seabrook

Thrashers get a shutdown dman who is young but proven ,, Hawks get a young dman in need of change of scenery + another asset for reload

Dudley is said to be working phones desperately and the Thrashers are in free fall

For Hawks it would be bitter pill to sell fans but they could always say they couldn't afford Seabrook longterm and got young assets for reload + free cap room for free agency

We have seen Hawks loading up on young defensive prospects in recent years so maybe they have been planning for possibility that Seabrook would want too much $$$ and we couldn't afford him longterm

Nick Leddy (1st round 2009 draft) (Trade with Wild) is currenly on NHL roster

Dylan Olsen (1st round 2009 draft)
Ivan Vishnevskiy (1st round 2006 draft) (Trade with Thrashers)
Shawn Lalonde (3rd round 2008 draft)

All 3 are in Rockford

Stephen Johns and Justin Holl were both picked in 2nd round of 2010 draft ,, Adding another young dman such as Bogosian to go with Keith , Campbell and Hjalmarsson and 1 or 2 of those dman would make some sense

Not saying I support trading Seabs or want Bogosian but I think this makes some sense in my head
You do know that Seabrook is a 1 year away from UFA, right ? He can sign one deal, then bolt. Bogosian + 1st for 1 year of Seabrook is a rip off. HUGE overpayment.

Hell, Montréal will sign Markov to a 1 year deal, then trade him to Atlanta for Bogosian and a 1st.

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Seabrook is not available. Dreger absolutely crushed the rumors this morning on Neilson and Chase on The Team 1260.

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Seabrook is not available. Dreger absolutely crushed the rumors this morning on Neilson and Chase on The Team 1260.
How do you know that's Dreger? Maybe it's Eklund trying to play you for a sucker

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Seabrook is not available. Dreger absolutely crushed the rumors this morning on Neilson and Chase on The Team 1260.
So is Dreger working for the Hawks now? All he can 'crush' are Seabrook to EDM rumors but to claim he will not be traded is incorrect.
Like the good ol Ted said, everybodys got a price !!

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How do you know that's Dreger? Maybe it's Eklund trying to play you for a sucker
Ya I'm quite sure if it was Eklund he would of been like Seabrook to the oilers for Cogliano Hemsky, Gagner, Joey Moss and 2 First round draft picks, and squealed in his weaselly voice "E5 E5 E5!" I actually haven't ever heard him speak but I'm sure its like a weasel. Look at the guy!


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So is Dreger working for the Hawks now? All he can 'crush' are Seabrook to EDM rumors but to claim he will not be traded is incorrect.
Like the good ol Ted said, everybodys got a price !!
Ya he said he asked the Hawks on MANY occasions and they said the same thing every time. He is not available. He is too valuable to their team.

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