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01-31-2011, 06:45 AM
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Ran some summer cap numbers-$68,640,000 projection based on $62.4M cap projection. 10% bump in the summer cap.



Gaborik
Drury
Wolski
Avery
Stepan
Prust
Christensen
Boogaard
Staal
Girardi
Lundqvist
Biron

Those players account for $39,562,500

Group II's with estimates. Dubinsky and Callahan QO's are their current salaries. Same goes for Gilroy. Sauer and Boyle get 110% bumps and AA gets a 105% bump.

Dubinsky-$4M
Callahan-$4M
Boyle-$2M
Anisimov-$1.8M
Sauer-$1.5M
Gilroy-$1.5M

$14.8M

$54,362,500

2 way contracts. Pro-rated on the number of days spent on the NHL roster the previous season. If these 3 players spend the rest of the season with the Rangers

MDZ(160 days)-$935,483
Zuccarello-(107)-$1,006,720
McDonagh(98)-$684,946

$2,627,149 against the summer cap instead of the full $4.1M.

$56,989,649

Add Wade Redden. $6.5M. All one way contracts count. If the Rangers sign Kreider to an ELC,he doesn't count against the summer cap. If the Rangers don't bring up Valentenko this season and he signs a 2 way contract,he won't count against the summer cap.

$63,489,649

$5,150,351 in space

So many two contracts which will eat away at the above number.

Weise(25 days).He is a group II this summer. He will get a 2 way QO. His next NHL salary will be close to the NHL minimum which will be $525,000 next season. He will get more AHL money for less NHL money when signs his next contract. 25 days for $525,000 cap hit is $70,564.

Grachev(14). $816,666 cap number. $61,469 so far. If Grachev spent the rest of this season with the Rangers,$364,426 for 83 days.

Newbury is signed for next season. His NHL stint counts against the summer cap.

Kennedy and Dupont are group II's. Kolarik will be a group 6. If the Rangers qualify or sign these players to 2 way contracts,it adds to the summer cap based on days spent on NHL roster.

Rangers can't add money past this season. Can't carry any cap penalty from this season.

And, that's why I don't think we'll be seeing much of Propsal in a Ranger uniform this year. Either, he doesn't return to the lineup, or, he plays, and gets dealt shortly after.

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Well, look at the Sabres and it becomes clearer why they let Kennedy go.

But we're running Boyle, Anisimov, Wolski up front... Callahan, Avery, and Zucc are really the only small guys we have right now.
Drury too...on the Defense MDZ is listed as 6ft, but I thought that might be a little generous.

Prust is also under 6ft but as wel all know he doesn't play like he is.

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Now since the Devils are for sale, it's possible Zach Parise is thinking of not staying in Jersey. Would it be possible that the Rangers sign him without an offer sheet? What I'm trying to ask is, when is the deadline for RFA's to be signed and not be considered a UFA?

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Now since the Devils are for sale, it's possible Zach Parise is thinking of not staying in Jersey. Would it be possible that the Rangers sign him without an offer sheet? What I'm trying to ask is, when is the deadline for RFA's to be signed and not be considered a UFA?
would u give up 5 first round draft picks to get Zach Parise? Because anything less than that and the Devils would match...

Is Zach Parise worth:
Dylan McIlrath
Chris Kreider
Michael Del Zotto
Alexei Cherepanov (if he was still alive)
and Bobby Sanguinetti

for Parise?


Granted, looks like Sangs is a bust, Cherepanov died, etc. But those are still some damn good prospects, Cherepanov would at least be a 25/25 guy in the NHL, Kreider looks like he could be a boom of a pick, MDZ, while having a down year, is unquestionably talented, and the jury is out on McIlrath. Its an interesting question to ask, personally, i wouldnt do it.

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Now since the Devils are for sale, it's possible Zach Parise is thinking of not staying in Jersey. Would it be possible that the Rangers sign him without an offer sheet? What I'm trying to ask is, when is the deadline for RFA's to be signed and not be considered a UFA?
If I was GM for a day, he would be my number 1 target.

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Now since the Devils are for sale, it's possible Zach Parise is thinking of not staying in Jersey. Would it be possible that the Rangers sign him without an offer sheet? What I'm trying to ask is, when is the deadline for RFA's to be signed and not be considered a UFA?
This summer, it won't happen. Worse comes to worse, if he doesn't to sign, he'll ask for a 1 year deal out of arbitration, and the Devils can decline if they don't want to pay what he's awarded. That won't happen.

Most likely scenario is that he signs a 1 year award, then becomes a UFA, and we take Chris Drury's cap dollars and send them Parise's way.

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Does anyone have an exact capspace analysis if A) all players realize their full bonuses & B) Boogey and Frolov are placed on LTIR for the rest of the year and C) all the AHL roster moves/callups are included and coverted into cap hits on the squad?
Would be fun to see...the exact number...if anyone possibly has it?


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02-07-2011, 06:20 AM
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Ran some summer cap numbers-$68,640,000 projection based on $62.4M cap projection. 10% bump in the summer cap.



Gaborik
Drury
Wolski
Avery
Stepan
Prust
Christensen
Boogaard
Staal
Girardi
Lundqvist
Biron

Those players account for $39,562,500

Group II's with estimates. Dubinsky and Callahan QO's are their current salaries. Same goes for Gilroy. Sauer and Boyle get 110% bumps and AA gets a 105% bump.

Dubinsky-$4M
Callahan-$4M
Boyle-$2M
Anisimov-$1.8M
Sauer-$1.5M
Gilroy-$1.5M

$14.8M

$54,362,500

2 way contracts. Pro-rated on the number of days spent on the NHL roster the previous season. If these 3 players spend the rest of the season with the Rangers

MDZ(160 days)-$935,483
Zuccarello-(107)-$1,006,720
McDonagh(98)-$684,946

$2,627,149 against the summer cap instead of the full $4.1M.

$56,989,649

Add Wade Redden. $6.5M. All one way contracts count. If the Rangers sign Kreider to an ELC,he doesn't count against the summer cap. If the Rangers don't bring up Valentenko this season and he signs a 2 way contract,he won't count against the summer cap.

$63,489,649

$5,150,351 in space

So many two contracts which will eat away at the above number.

Weise(25 days).He is a group II this summer. He will get a 2 way QO. His next NHL salary will be close to the NHL minimum which will be $525,000 next season. He will get more AHL money for less NHL money when signs his next contract. 25 days for $525,000 cap hit is $70,564.

Grachev(14). $816,666 cap number. $61,469 so far. If Grachev spent the rest of this season with the Rangers,$364,426 for 83 days.

Newbury is signed for next season. His NHL stint counts against the summer cap.

Kennedy and Dupont are group II's. Kolarik will be a group 6. If the Rangers qualify or sign these players to 2 way contracts,it adds to the summer cap based on days spent on NHL roster.

Rangers can't add money past this season. Can't carry any cap penalty from this season.
Since all of the AHLers have been returned

Grachev(16)-$70,250
Newbury(20)-$55,107
Weise(25)-$70,564 based on Weise getting the $525,000 NHL minimum and get $70,000 AHL. Weise is a group II.

$195,921

The other AHL players are group II's or a group 6 like Kolarik. Toss up if they are qualified or re-signed. Duponts,etc. Wouldn't be that much money but every penny counts in the summer cap.

$4,954,430 in summer cap space BASED on the contracts projections for the group IIs and commitments for next season.

Sheldon who?

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Since all of the AHLers have been returned

Grachev(16)-$70,250
Newbury(20)-$55,107
Weise(25)-$70,564 based on Weise getting the $525,000 NHL minimum and get $70,000 AHL. Weise is a group II.

$195,921

The other AHL players are group II's or a group 6 like Kolarik. Toss up if they are qualified or re-signed. Duponts,etc. Wouldn't be that much money but every penny counts in the summer cap.

$4,954,430 in summer cap space BASED on the contracts projections for the group IIs and commitments for next season.

Sheldon who?
Looks like a Drury buyout creates plenty of needed space to sign Richards.

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When a team buys out a contract is it the buy out figure that counts against the Cap or the annual salary figure ? Somedays it is hard enough to follow the on ice action and also follow the cap figures . You guys that have this stuff down to a science...deserve full marks for that task !

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The buyout figure is what is counted against the cap.

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All kidding aside, may be Drury will retire after this season. He has been hurt the entire season, for the most part and one he has been playing he has not been able to sniff more then the 4th line.

More then likely wishful thinking, but he probably will not leave $5 million in real money on the table.

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Are the numbers from the CapGeek Daily Tracker before or after the player bonuses?

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Are the numbers from the CapGeek Daily Tracker before or after the player bonuses?
CapGeek doesn't count bonuses. It states the numbers don't count performance bonuses. The Rangers don't have the room for a $7M player if Prospal's bonus hits.

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Are the numbers from the CapGeek Daily Tracker before or after the player bonuses?
Our current bonuses are $3,050,000. Our projected cap space is $2,394,266. Whatever bonuses are earned will be taken out of whatever cap space we have left at the end of the year, with the remainder rolling over into next year.

Right now, we are looking at having $655,734 roll over into next year, assuming all bonuses are earned. That number will increase if we take on more salary. As much as I like Prospal, we would have been better off cap-wise if he didn't come back, because of his 1.4 mil bonus for 10 games played.

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Kennedy at his QO would be a nice cheap 3rd line LW option if he won it out over his competition (Hagelin, Kreider, Grachev)

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capgeek says we can acquire 8.4m in cap hit at the deadline....is this including all the roster bonuses that we dont want going into next years cap?

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capgeek says we can acquire 8.4m in cap hit at the deadline....is this including all the roster bonuses that we dont want going into next years cap?
No it's not including bonuses.

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Prospal plays 5 more games and he gets the $1.4M bonus. Less than $1M is left in space.

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Brooks wrote about the summer cap situation in relation to any trade deadline additions signed past this season.

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Even if the summer cap is close to $70 million, the Rangers have to be careful if they intend to be in on Brad Richards, which they most certainly do.

The Blueshirts have about $41.1 million on the summer cap, including $6.5 million for Wade Redden but not including a nickel for Group II free agents Ryan Callahan, Brandon Dubinsky, Brian Boyle, Artem Anisimov and Sauer, who likely will combine for $13-15 million.

That $41.1 million number also does not include Chris Drury, who will be in at $7.05 million if he remains on the roster, or $3.717 million if there's a June buyout.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...#ixzz1EDYVlYQ6

For the summer cap to be close to $70M,the cap will need to increase from $59.4M to $63.5M. $69.85M. Earlier this season,Brooks wrote it was not a guarantee the NHLPA would exercise their 5% bump. Escrow deductions have decreased as the season has progressed.

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This is the most key to me:

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That $41.1 million number also does not include Chris Drury, who will be in at $7.05 million if he remains on the roster, or $3.717 million if there's a June buyout.
Even Brooks is assuming Drury is gone next year.

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Richards is the key to all of this. If he is available, the Rangers game plan will be much different than if he is not. It will be extremely tight to get him, but the following MUST happen for all of this to work... barring a team-altering trade of some kind.

They WILL NOT re-sign UFAs Prospal, Feds, Frolov, or Eminger. Prospal and Feds will be considered if Richards massive cap hit isn't eating into the Rangers salary cap. They are gone if Richards is here. There is just no salary room... no matter how well Prospal or Feds play or how connected they are to the coach.

Cally, Dubi, Boyle, AA, and Sauer will all get raises. The Boyle and AA situation will be interesting depending on whether Richards is here, because of the logjam at center and salary cap issues. I don't think anyone expected BOTH of these guys to get solid raises originally, so that might be an issue. Both are definitely re-signed if Richards is not here. Sauer is given a qualifying offer and re-signed for cheap... bank on it. People are overestimating what he will make next year.

Gilroy is done. No way he gets re-signed, because his agent will push for a qualifying offer that will put his cap hit near $2M... which is insane. He should be playing for the minimum at this point.

Drury is all dependent on Richards. If Richards is available on buyout day, then Drury will be bought out... 100%. If BR re-signs somewhere, then my guess is that Sather lets Drury play out the final year, so we don't have to hamper the cap any longer than we need to. It doesn't matter how you feel about the Drury situation, it is black and white in terms of getting Richards.

Oh... and stop it with Parise. It will NEVER happen. It's not even remotely possible, so why even talk about it.

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Keeping all our RFAs and signing no UFAs would result in the following roster;

Dubi-Stepan-Gaborik
Wolski-Anisimov-Callahan
Avery-Boyle-Zuccarello
Boogaard-Drury-Prust
Christensen

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Sauer
MDZ-Gilroy

So we could technically field a roster next year with no "new" additions, as unlikely as that may be.

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Keeping all our RFAs and signing no UFAs would result in the following roster;

Dubi-Stepan-Gaborik
Wolski-Anisimov-Callahan
Avery-Boyle-Zuccarello
Boogaard-Drury-Prust
Christensen

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Sauer
MDZ-Gilroy

So we could technically field a roster next year with no "new" additions, as unlikely as that may be.
Eh. That lineup smells like 6th-8th place again.

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Keeping all our RFAs and signing no UFAs would result in the following roster;

Dubi-Stepan-Gaborik
Wolski-Anisimov-Callahan
Avery-Boyle-Zuccarello
Boogaard-Drury-Prust
Christensen

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Sauer
MDZ-Gilroy

So we could technically field a roster next year with no "new" additions, as unlikely as that may be.
wouldn't that lineup be like 10 mil under the cap?

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