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02-10-2011, 10:42 PM
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what annoys me about Kopitar, is that he never tries to take over a game. Even in simple situations like on the pp, why is it that when one of JJ/Doughty/Martinez have the puck in their own zone, their first plan is to rush up the ice with speed, get over the blue line and make something happen.

Kopitar has the puck in his own zone on the pp, his first though is to hand it off to 1 of the dmen to rush it up

haha ye and that Zeus attempt was so painful to watch, it was like he was in the matrix he was so slow. He had so much time and space he could have skated down into the low slot and pinged a wrister, but he literally stood still while time stopped around him and still managed to shank his wrister

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02-10-2011, 10:44 PM
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Dustin Brown is hands down the worst captain in the NHL. Captain Obvious regurgitating the same tired old cliches.

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02-10-2011, 10:46 PM
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Dustin Brown is hands down the worst captain in the NHL. Captain Obvious regurgitating the same tired old cliches.
I'm glad someone agrees with me. I've been saying this for years! Well ever since he's been Captain!

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02-10-2011, 11:06 PM
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You wanna be a world class player you have to be in world class shape... The only thing Anze Kopitar ever elevates is the fork to his mouth... he certainly can't elevate his game (like the top #1 centers in hockey).

You put Sid Crosby on a line with the Pope and the Pontiff would score 20 goals a season. He elevates himself and the other players around him and he never makes excuses because he doesn't take games off. Kopitar doesn't make anyone else better. He took the rest of tonight off after the 1st period. He's overrated.

Do the Kings need a left wiong to play with him? Yes... is that a guarantee Kopitar will be a consistent performer? No.

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02-10-2011, 11:07 PM
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Methinks you guys are being too harsh on your team. I was at the game tonight and it really was an excellent match, you have a fine team. Good luck guys, the Kings are a great team to watch.

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02-10-2011, 11:10 PM
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You wanna be a world class player you have to be in world class shape... The only thing Anze Kopitar ever elevates is the fork to his mouth... he certainly can't elevate his game (like the top #1 centers in hockey).

You put Sid Crosby on a line with the Pope and the Pontiff would score 20 goals a season. He elevates himself and the other players around him and he never makes excuses because he doesn't take games off. Kopitar doesn't make anyone else better. He took the rest of tonight off after the 1st period. He's overrated.

Do the Kings need a left wiong to play with him? Yes... is that a guarantee Kopitar will be a consistent performer? No.

uhh Kopitar isnt Crosby though. There are very few players (read <5) who are good enough to elevate the game of the people around them

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02-10-2011, 11:32 PM
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It's not games like these that will define the Kings season. It's that 2-10-0 stretch that's already over and done with. 20 points given away is just too many.

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02-10-2011, 11:34 PM
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I don't know why Kopitar would tire himself out. He didn't drive to the net or attack the Penguins.

If anyone is tired, it should be Doughty. He drove to the net, hustled back, played behind the net. He was everywhere tonight. He looked even faster in the third than he did in the first.

I wish Kopitar could have played with just a little bit of that.
Kopitar always coasts into contact. If he is in position to deliver a hit he will stop skating and simply bump into the player rather than really taking the body. I don't like it, change it.

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I don't think he's injured. I think he had enough with his rotating line mates. Brown is in his own world, he's not helping Kopi out. He just got tired of always doing it himself imo.
If that is true, he sure gets tired fast. He does IT himself for all of about 3 shifts each game. I will give him this though, generally he plays a good game in his own zone. He is just way too passive in the offensive zone.

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02-10-2011, 11:39 PM
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For three seasons we have watched a team that cannot finish. This is getting old and tired.
Should we really be surprised?

This is a sandpaper, grind it out, try and win 2-1 team. The Kings have a great defensive system that will keep them in most every game they play, even against powerful teams. But the lack of skill and any kind of offensive creativity causes us to let depleted teams like the Pens and Blues to hang in there and then the game comes down to a bounce or two.

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02-10-2011, 11:52 PM
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Should we really be surprised?

This is a sandpaper, grind it out, try and win 2-1 team. The Kings have a great defensive system that will keep them in most every game they play, even against powerful teams. But the lack of skill and any kind of offensive creativity causes us to let depleted teams like the Pens and Blues to hang in there and then the game comes down to a bounce or two.
Actually when was the last time a sanpaper, grind it out and just react instead act win the cup ?????

Just asking

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02-11-2011, 12:01 AM
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Looked like Fleury was really fighting the puck for the first half of the game. Teams like Philly, Detroit and Vancouver would have put it out of reach in that time. Luckily Stoll flubbed a shot and scored or they would have gotten nothing out of it.

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02-11-2011, 12:08 AM
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A few nights ago I watched Columbus Blue Jackets completely outwork the Pens. The lack of skill was apparent too, yes Columbus had a big skill advantage. This is a game the Kings should have won..

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02-11-2011, 12:14 AM
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MURRAY: “We were just too casual, on the whole play. Right from the breakout, through the middle of the ice. We tried a backhand hand and it doesn’t connect. We’re too casual, then, at our own blue line. When we have an opportunity, just keep it going back the other way, or make a real strong play. You know you’re going to get a 2-on-1 in the situation (otherwise). It’s an opportunity to jump on a loose puck. It was casual, and I thought our second period was casual. You get two shots on net, and the second shot in that period comes at the end of the period, on a shot from the blue line. That’s where our best players have to step up. These games are everything for us. This was an opportunity here tonight that slipped away on us.”
WTF? Isn't that your system, Murray?

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MURRAY: “They’re missing their top guys. Everybody goes through injuries and everybody is going to have some players out of the lineup, but when you have both of the top guys out, in the same game, that’s a time to really play hard and do the right thing for the 60 minutes. The start was fine. At times in the third period. But you’ve got to play 60 minutes in the game. It doesn’t matter, the fact that they might have some players called up and getting into a game for the first time this season. They’re going to come with a lot of energy and a lot of emotion, and dig in and battle. And they out-battled in situations.”
How many ****ing times do we have to hear Murray say that the team doesn't give an effort for 60 minutes and then do nothing about it? How about not dressing the guy that only plays 2 minutes during the game and completely destroy any ability to roll 4 lines? How about letting us know why the Kings are 13-3-1 without Westgarth, yet he puts him back into a lineup against a team with their toughness injured or suspended? What about how the Kings effort seems to improve when they can roll 4 lines for 60 minutes?

I think my head is going to explode before Murray is removed from this team.


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02-11-2011, 12:14 AM
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Methinks you guys are being too harsh on your team. I was at the game tonight and it really was an excellent match, you have a fine team. Good luck guys, the Kings are a great team to watch.
Thanks for supporting our view. It was an excellent match against a team decimated with injuries.

Murray needs to go. It's the same ********* day in and day out. And if the Kings don't get offensive help soon, Get rid of DL too.

This is the team being built to be like the red wings and not just one time cup contenders? fantastic.

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02-11-2011, 12:28 AM
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MURRAY: “That’s intensity of the shift. You have to maintain that through the 60 minutes, to be a team that’s going to be a good team in the league. There’s games that we do it, and other games where we let it slip back, like tonight, in that second period in particular. We’ve got to figure that out real soon, because you get into the meaningful part of the season, and you just can’t afford to be casual.

It's regular season game number 218 and Murray still can't get his team to compete for 60 minutes. When does it become more obvious that Murray can't get it done in today's NHL? When is he going to realize that you can't dress a player that is only going to get 2 minutes of ice time and expect to roll 4 lines and keep the intensity up? When is he going to actually hold his top players accountable? Brown and Kopitar get to do whatever they want out there and nothing happens. If Frolov or Poni have a bad shift, they are on the bench for the rest of the game and benched the next game. Richardson busts his ass every ****ing game and he sits so that Westgarth can get 2:21 of ice time?

****...I hate Murray.


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02-11-2011, 12:31 AM
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Hey guys,

How did local boy Brett Sterling look for Pitts? Think he's got enough to actually stay up for a while now? He's been toiling down in the AHL for 3-4 years now...

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I think bylsma should get a lot of credit with the system and his ability to get the players up for the game. Sure there was a lot of AHL players going hard, making wanting to make an impact... but they hung around and ended up winning... that is what LA does... we always hang around and are in a one goal game. if it was the other way around, there would of been a full fledged attack on our monarch players from pittsburgh.

There has to be some adjustments, we should of smelt the blood in the water and jumped all over these guys. Instead we dump it in, cycle around, jam the net... we should of had the skill to dominate and finish.

Also... is it just me or is doughty the only player we have that can successfully deke around defencemen on the 1 on 1's... not one forward comes in with speed and dekes... we shoot, hit sticks and shinpads... we need some north south skill up front

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Methinks you guys are being too harsh on your team. I was at the game tonight and it really was an excellent match, you have a fine team. Good luck guys, the Kings are a great team to watch.
That's nice of you, and thanks, but check the Western Conference standings lately?

Results matter.

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This is the team being built to be like the red wings and not just one time cup contenders? fantastic.
The Red Wings of the mid 80s?


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Missed the game but glad they got a point.

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It has become increasingly obvious that many things need to change if the Kings are ever going to be real threats. The coaching staff needs to be canned, we need to actually trade for some skill up front, and Schenn needs to be with the team and doing well. Hopefully Lombardi also embraces the modern NHL instead of living in the past, as well.

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How did local boy Brett Sterling look for Pitts? Think he's got enough to actually stay up for a while now? He's been toiling down in the AHL for 3-4 years now...
Scored a goal and should have had two on an easy tap in. Looked good.

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Guys.. come in off the ledge. It was a OTL. These are the games the Kings were losing in regulation a month ago.

As to all this fire Murray now nonsense, if we're going to take an extreme, unrealistic view, this is one of those times it may actually be better off to fire the team.

Seriously though... Murray's an easy target, but firing him now gives the core players (many of whom are underachieving in a variety of ways both on the ice, off the ice and in a leadership capacity) a get out of jail free card, and that's not the right message to send now.

Everyone forgets the success the same group of players had under Murray last season using the same systems and the same approach. The difference between last season and this season boils down to discipline. A lack of discipline on the off-season (Doughty), a lack of leadership discipline (Brown, Kopitar), a lack of discipline in games (2-10-0; 2-9-0), etc.

If Dean makes a coaching change, it's got to be done along with some player personnel changes as well, whether that be leadership changes, player, trades, etc. That all needs to wait for this off-season because he needs to see if the team has the ability to right this ship on their own now.

Dean will add something at the deadline, and we'll ride out the season with what we've got and see what happens.

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what annoys me about Kopitar, is that he never tries to take over a game.
If I remember correctly, at one time, Kopitar ate games for breakfast, and **** out lightning (especially against Dallas). I just think he's had a mental beat down with the line mates he has, and just an overall loss in confidence.

Does he have crap for line mates? YES! Brown, should be getting second to third line minutes (and Frolov treatment), especially with the way he's been playing lately, Lokti is good, but young and inexperienced.

Yet Kopitar has never really had line mates, except for last year with Williams and Smyth, and has looked faster, and more dynamic in the past versus this year.

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