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02-12-2011, 03:26 PM
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Nazem Kadri was chosen way above where he should have been. There were other players available who will probably be of more help to the Leafs.
False. Just because YOU feel that way doesn't make it so. You are letting your hate blind you. Not unusual or unexpected.

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Re: Gardiner - I don't know why the Ducks GM gave him up. Maybe his scouts were telling him something the rest of us don't have access to. It sounds like there are concerns about Gardiner's game that could affect how an organization values him.
Oh, the old "Since he was traded to the Leafs there has to be something wrong with him". Frankly this is old, tired, and weak, much like everything else in this post. He is a mid-first round pick who has a lot of upside.

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And finally, the reason I'm ripping Burke is because he's had numerous opportunities to trade for picks and simply hasn't gotten the job done. This past offseason, for example, he could have sent Kaberle somewhere for a couple of decent picks and he didn't.
Links? Oh right....none exist except your assumptions. You know that is what he was offered and turned down, right? So picks are the be all and end all. How many picks does he need - 15? He always has more picks than rounds. Maybe next year he can ice 20 future draft picks instead of players? Keep in mind that the Leafs still need to ice a full team, so they can't trade every single player away for beloved draft picks. Lame.

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What Burke is doing is not a rebuild but a shuffling of problem players, retreads, has beens, and never weres. This approach has never one Stanley Cups.
I thought you had already said finally?

He has assembled a prospect pool way better than existed when he first got here, and completely turned the team's roster over to one is much younger with more potential than when he got here just over 2 years ago. That is what the definition of a "rebuild" is. Check it out..available everywhere online.

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Burke may have scored big in acquiring Aulie but I'm not sure fleecing a down and broken GM like Sutter really qualifies as being "success" or represents a superior talent. Burke got lucky - celebrate that but don't misinterpret it.
Spinning things to suit your agenda is much more fun that analyzing with an open mind, eh?


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02-12-2011, 03:42 PM
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Good for Burke.

Maybe he can continue to build his favorite childhood team the Boston Bruins!

Give another 5 years of Toronto's first round picks to Boston for overrated garbage, why don't you ! Kessel trade is the WORST trade in the history of the Maple Leafs franchise, what a shame!

Burke = ******* disgrace! he needs to get out of Toronto.

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02-12-2011, 03:48 PM
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False. Just because YOU feel that way doesn't make it so. You are letting your hate blind you. Not unusual or unexpected.
My comments concerning Kadri's being drafted at #7 are based on Central Scouting's final report. In the 2009 draft Kadri was ranked 15th overall North American skater.

So my response was based on expert opinion. Something you obviously fail to respect.

I'll ignore the rest of your post. It's not really worth the time and effort to sort through.

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02-12-2011, 03:52 PM
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Good for Burke.

Maybe he can continue to build his favorite childhood team the Boston Bruins!

Give another 5 years of Toronto's first round picks to Boston for overrated garbage, why don't you ! Kessel trade is the WORST trade in the history of the Maple Leafs franchise, what a shame!

Burke = ******* disgrace! he needs to get out of Toronto.
As a fan of a division rival, I hope to god Burke stays in Toronto for atleast another 6 seasons.

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02-12-2011, 03:54 PM
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Good for Burke.

Maybe he can continue to build his favorite childhood team the Boston Bruins!

Give another 5 years of Toronto's first round picks to Boston for overrated garbage, why don't you ! Kessel trade is the WORST trade in the history of the Maple Leafs franchise, what a shame!

Burke = ******* disgrace! he needs to get out of Toronto.
Hahaha, sounds like Mommy hid the cookie jar.

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02-12-2011, 04:25 PM
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But yeah, keep on hating.

"Hate" is a little strong.

I am surprised that people drink Burke's coolaid the way they do and hang on his every move and believe everything he says.

I'm also surprised that people think that the Leafs are going to be a better team because of Burke's efforts.

What I do think is that Burke's overrated and in over his head. Now if that's hate...

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02-12-2011, 04:39 PM
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toronto in recent history has played very solid in february and march once its too late and the pressure is off, imo it wont be another lottery pick
great avatar... epic meal time FTW!!!

However, every team that does not make the playoffs is in the lottery... but I think I know what you mean "no oppertunity for first overall in the lottery" is what I am sure you meant... and it's very possible you could be right.

I said at begining of year pick will be top 7... I still feel that way.

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02-12-2011, 05:50 PM
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Good for Burke.

Maybe he can continue to build his favorite childhood team the Boston Bruins!

Give another 5 years of Toronto's first round picks to Boston for overrated garbage, why don't you ! Kessel trade is the WORST trade in the history of the Maple Leafs franchise, what a shame!

Burke = ******* disgrace! he needs to get out of Toronto.
How long have you been watching the Leafs?

Yes, it was a terrible trade. But there are so many more that were so much worse.

Tom Kurvers for our first round pick (Scott Neidermayer) comes to mind. Also Adam Mair + a pick (Mike Cammalleri) for Aki Berg. We gave a first up (Lars Eller) for Toskala for God's sake. And too many more to think of or list.

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As a fan of a division rival, I hope to god Burke stays in Toronto for atleast another 6 seasons.
I know you Boston fans love Brian Burke! He is your best asset. He is building a great team in Boston, while Toronto is getting the shaft.

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Ever heard of Steve Yzerman?
Who the **** is steve Yzerman ?

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How long have you been watching the Leafs?

Yes, it was a terrible trade. But there are so many more that were so much worse.

Tom Kurvers for our first round pick (Scott Neidermayer) comes to mind. Also Adam Mair + a pick (Mike Cammalleri) for Aki Berg. We gave a first up (Lars Eller) for Toskala for God's sake. And too many more to think of or list.
Actually its worse; Couture not Eller.

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Actually its worse; Couture not Eller.
Actually this is incorrect. San Jose traded the pick they received from Toronto to St. Louis who proceeded to draft Lars Eller.

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Nazem Kadri was chosen way above where he should have been. There were other players available who will probably be of more help to the Leafs.

Re: Gardiner - I don't know why the Ducks GM gave him up. Maybe his scouts were telling him something the rest of us don't have access to. It sounds like there are concerns about Gardiner's game that could affect how an organization values him.

And finally, the reason I'm ripping Burke is because he's had numerous opportunities to trade for picks and simply hasn't gotten the job done. This past offseason, for example, he could have sent Kaberle somewhere for a couple of decent picks and he didn't.

What Burke is doing is not a rebuild but a shuffling of problem players, retreads, has beens, and never weres. This approach has never one Stanley Cups.

Burke may have scored big in acquiring Aulie but I'm not sure fleecing a down and broken GM like Sutter really qualifies as being "success" or represents a superior talent. Burke got lucky - celebrate that but don't misinterpret it.
Most foolish post I have read today. Gardiner is a great d man prospect, but the Fowler coupe last year made him expendable. Ducks need defensive presence now being a playoff team. If fowler was not drafted last year Gardiner would not of been considered as trade bait. Btw I am not a leaf fan


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Most foolish post I have read today....
From what I have read Gardiner's value may be slipping. I don't know what's so foolish about that.

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Actually this is incorrect. San Jose traded the pick they received from Toronto to St. Louis who proceeded to draft Lars Eller.
Didn't know that, thanks.

But the point is that they turned that pick into Couture.

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From what I have read Gardiner's value may be slipping. I don't know what's so foolish about that.
Read where and thread please. How can this guys value be dropping when he is now a ppg dman ncaa and is Improving all aspects of his game?


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I don't think Gardiner is an inferior prospect at all. I really like the addition to the trade and feel Burke would not have made the deal without his inclusion. The reason the ducks were able to make the deal is because of the development of Fowler. They also have another young Dman in Sbisba. Therefore although Gardiner was a good prospect, they could afford to make this deal because of there depth. Making the playoffs and competing are a priority as well especially in non traditional hockey cities.

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From what I have read Gardiner's value may be slipping. I don't know what's so foolish about that.
Let me guess: you read this retarded article

http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...-pedigree.html

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Let me guess: you read this retarded article

http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...-pedigree.html
Um - no. But thanks for sharing.

EDIT: Looks like a decent article.

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Read where and thread please. How can this guys value be dropping when he is now a ppg dman ncaa and is Improving all aspects of his game?
Lots of college players have great numbers and improve their game as their career progresses but that doesn't mean they're moving in a direction where they can succeed at the NHL level.

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Lots of college players have great numbers and improve their game as their career progresses but that doesn't mean they're moving in a direction where they can succeed at the NHL level.
What? What the hell is this crap? A players who has improved his game has done nothing but move himself closer to the NHL.

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What? What the hell is this crap? A players who has improved his game has done nothing but move himself closer to the NHL.
Work your way through the hockey database (I'll include a link) and see all the college guys who improved throughout their college careers and still couldn't make the transition to the NHL game.

Link: http://www.hockeydb.com/

Putz around and see for yourself.

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