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02-13-2011, 05:12 PM
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I actually like Dallas Dave. I have no clue to how legit he really is but he seems to be some what credible as he has called a couple trades in the past. At least I think he has.

I do hope we can pry Schenn loose. But I have serious doubts.

There are quite literally no good young centers available from my understanding. And why would there be, they seem to be almost a a endangered species of sorts. You can hardly get your hands on any top 2 centers at all, without paying a ransom.

What about Simmonds+Clifford+1st for Hemsky+ Cogliano....
The problem is most oiler fans do not realize how hemsky's production compares to the untouchables in his production range.

Post lockout:

Kane .32g/gm .62a/gm .94p/gm
Getzlaf .30g/gm .64a/gm .94p/gm
Statsny .31g/gm .63a/gm .94p/gm
Hemsky .26g/gm .65a/gm .91p/gm
Kopitar .35g/gm 55a/gm .90p/gm


Insert the other names in hemsky's spot! With the presumption Hemsky signs there.

That is the test of any trade.

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Why the hell is Versteeg being talked about in the same breathe as Vanek, Parise and Gaborik? Am I missing something.

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02-13-2011, 05:44 PM
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Why the hell is Versteeg being talked about in the same breathe as Vanek, Parise and Gaborik? Am I missing something.
He's a Leaf, that's why.

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02-13-2011, 05:45 PM
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Edmonton should be working with the assumption that no decent UFA is going to want to sign with us. Ever.

If someone does want to sign here that's great but what the perception of Edmonton is to potential UFA's really should be at the bottom of the list.

Draft. Develop. Repeat.
Exactly. I recommend that we forget about anyone worth a damn ever signing here. Let's build our team from within and hopefully if we do a good job guys will be calling the Oilers to see if they can play here.

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02-13-2011, 05:48 PM
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He's a Leaf, that's why.

the trade board has become a battle zone of stupidity(some oiler fans are not helping)--I was given a nudge to stop commenting on how lopsided the leaf trades are becoming

if you read what SOME leaf fans are posting--Verteeg is on the verge of being a 50goal 100pts man and not a guy who would be on the third line of most good teams

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Exactly. I recommend that we forget about anyone worth a damn ever signing here. Let's build our team from within and hopefully if we do a good job guys will be calling the Oilers to see if they can play here.
I think there is something to be said about a group of players developing for 7 years with each other.

Draft and development is like assembling a wolf-pack.

A wolf-pack is more mighty than a single big bad Brad Richards.

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02-13-2011, 06:16 PM
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Edmonton should be working with the assumption that no decent UFA is going to want to sign with us. Ever.

If someone does want to sign here that's great but what the perception of Edmonton is to potential UFA's really should be at the bottom of the list.

Draft. Develop. Repeat.
You're half right, once we do build from within and are respectably on the playoff bubble we will be able to get real free agents

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02-13-2011, 06:18 PM
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You're half right, once we do build from within and are respectably on the playoff bubble we will be able to get real free agents
Nope. It won't matter, UFAs will still avoid Edmonton. It's a fact.

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Nope. It won't matter, UFAs will still avoid Edmonton. It's a fact.
How is it a fact?

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02-13-2011, 06:21 PM
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FA's will avoid the oilers until the oilers management team and the fans stop acting like a bunch of brats whose sucker got stolen by their older sibling. I had hoped that things would change once Lowe moved into the back ground but Tambo and of course the fans have taken up the Lowe torch pretty well.

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02-13-2011, 06:22 PM
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How is it a fact?
During the dynasty years, players wanted out. They could consistently be a playoff team but UFAs still won't sign in Edmonton.

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02-13-2011, 06:23 PM
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How is it a fact?
lets not go there

you know you will just end up deleting posts, handing out infractions and well--giving yourself a headache--you should know better then that

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02-13-2011, 06:27 PM
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During the dynasty years, players wanted out. They could consistently be a playoff team but UFAs still won't sign in Edmonton.
Any examples from the last 25 years?

And by that I mean examples of every player wanting out while the team's a contender.

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02-13-2011, 06:41 PM
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Any examples from the last 25 years?
Jimmy Carson was part of the Gretzky trade and didn't want to come here. Bernie Nichols was upset and didn't want to come here. I believe both eventually came here but both were traded within a year. Messier wanted out while the team was consistently in the playoffs.

Another reason is UFAs don't really sign with Canadian teams. Vancouver is a contender but players still don't line up to sign there. It's more a Canadian thing than an Edmonton thing as well.

Slats didn't help either as he traded players as soon as they were 28. Players still think Edmonton doesn't have the money to sign them and that's another reason the Oilers have trouble signing UFAs. Prior to the lockout, the Oilers didn't have the money compared to large market but players still think Edmonton doesn't have the money to sign them.

Another thing that really bugs me is how players use Edmonton to get a bigger contract with another team. It really irritates me as Edmonton being used by the players to get a big payday.


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02-13-2011, 06:45 PM
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During the dynasty years, players wanted out. They could consistently be a playoff team but UFAs still won't sign in Edmonton.
during the dynasty years peter pocklinton decided he wouldnt fork out some money, the guys were playing for a fraction of their actuall worth, so yeh they moved on, wouldnt you
over the last 5 years we have only had a few names turn us down, hossa and heatly, i bet other teams have had similar problems ours where just handled poorly, we have signed some big names(Souray(wants out due to lack of "contact"), penner/vanek(both accepted there offers to come here, and one openly said he wants to say, and u still think no one will come here?)

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Jimmy Carson was part of the Gretzky trade and didn't want to come here. Bernie Nichols was upset and didn't want to come here. I believe both eventually came here but both were traded within a year. Messier wanted out while the team was consistently in the playoffs.
Right. So you can't name any recent examples.

You know why? Because it hasn't happened yet. They haven't been a contender. They're rebuilding. Once they become good, with a young core, and the entire team wants to leave or no free agents ever sign, then you can claim it as fact if you want.

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during the dynasty years peter pocklinton decided he wouldnt fork out some money, the guys were playing for a fraction of their actuall worth, so yeh they moved on, wouldnt youover the last 5 years we have only had a few names turn us down, hossa and heatly, i bet other teams have had similar problems ours where just handled poorly, we have signed some big names(Souray(wants out due to lack of "contact"), penner/vanek(both accepted there offers to come here, and one openly said he wants to say, and u still think no one will come here?)
The bolded part puts it perfectly. A lot of the UFAs still believe the Oilers don't have the money because of what PP did. Remember the Oilers tried signing Lindros and Papa Lindros said that if the Oilers couldn't afford Weight, how could they afford Lindros.

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Nope. It won't matter, UFAs will still avoid Edmonton. It's a fact.
Oh good, this again...

2010-07-02 Steve MacIntyre signed as free agent
2010-07-01 Kurtis Foster signed as free agent
2007-08-02 Dustin Penner signed as an RFA free agent
2007-07-12 Sheldon Souray signed as free agent
2007-07-03 Mathieu Garon signed as free agent
2007-07-01 Dick Tarnstrom signed as free agent
2006-08-11 Petr Sykora signed as free agent
2006-07-06 Daniel Tjarnqvist signed as free agent
2006-07-04 Marty Reasoner signed as free agent
2006-03-05 Rem Murray signed as free agent
2004-09-15 Todd Harvey signed as free agent
2004-07-30 Toby Petersen signed as free agent
2004-01-05 Igor Ulanov signed as free agent
2003-11-17 Adam Oates signed as free agent
2001-07-12 Steve Staios signed as free agent
2001-05-29 Marc-Andre Bergeron signed as free agent
2001-04-16 Ty Conklin signed as free agent
1998-10-01 Marty McSorley signed as free agent
1998-08-21 Pat Falloon signed as free agent
1997-10-01 Ray Whitney signed as free agent
1997-02-26 Petr Klima signed as free agent
1996-09-28 Kevin Lowe signed as free agent


I actually got bored...there's so many to list...most are junk, these are just the ones that people will recognize.

Check it out

http://oilfans.com/allTimeTransactions.php

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The bolded part puts it perfectly. A lot of the UFAs still believe the Oilers don't have the money because of what PP did. Remember the Oilers tried signing Lindros and Papa Lindros said that if the Oilers couldn't afford Weight, how could they afford Lindros.
pretty sure everybody in the league knows that the oilers have a billionaire owner

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The problem is most oiler fans do not realize how hemsky's production compares to the untouchables in his production range.

Post lockout:

Kane .32g/gm .62a/gm .94p/gm
Getzlaf .30g/gm .64a/gm .94p/gm
Statsny .31g/gm .63a/gm .94p/gm
Hemsky .26g/gm .65a/gm .91p/gm
Kopitar .35g/gm 55a/gm .90p/gm


Insert the other names in hemsky's spot! With the presumption Hemsky signs there.

That is the test of any trade.
Your assumption that Hemsky re-signs makes this "test of any trade" pure fantasy.

And using scoring rates with a player that is oft injured ignores a fact, that he has played much less hockey than your supposed comparables.

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