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02-13-2011, 06:57 PM
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i dont think vancouver's a good fit for phillips.


a few injuries on defense (that should all be healed for the playoffs) isnt going to scare gillis into making a reactionary move.
And the Canucks have no shortage of defenseman....

Right now:

Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Salo, Rome, Alberts, Tanev.

Hamhuis, Edler, Ballard, Sweatt out... also have Parent, Baumgartner, O'Berg, Sauve etc.....

Granted we can't have many more d-men go down, but we started the season with 2 NHL d-men not dressing (Salo, Rome) on the NHL club and about 4 on our AHL club not dressing.

What the Canucks really 'need' would be a big 3rd/4th liner, dirt cheap, that is fiesty and hits. Preferrably a center decent at draws.

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What's the word on Hodsgon?

Repeated injuries and unimpressive numbers doesn't entice me much, though I haven't watched him play.
He caught fire but took a stick to the face and broke his orbital bone in the AHL. When he was up here he looked fine but he was a cap casualty.

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Yeah, so Many Malhotra is blocking him now from being an NHLer?

Thanks for making my point.

Today it is malhotra, next year some other grinder...till the guy who is suppose to be a star/superstar NHLer is officially a bust?
We're trying to win the cup right now and Malhotra brings far more leadership qualities having been to the WCF and one of the premier 3rd line shut down C's in the league.

Hodgson is far from a bust, he's only 20 and the Canucks are in the top 3 - 5 of centre depth in the league this year.

Gillis is trying to build the team the Red Wings way and it's much better for his development to be logging 20 minutes a night in the AHL instead of 8 on the 4th line in the NHL.

Zetterberg made the NHL at 22, how's he doing? Lidstrom? 22 again.

I really don't think it's bothering Gillis that Hodgson is the #1C on the farm when we're already so strong in centre depth when Hodgson is going to be a top 6 C after H. Sedin retires and Kesler becomes a #1C. He can play 3rd line C after Malhotra's contract is done or Kesler can play Hodgson's wing.

Really not a big deal here.

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02-13-2011, 06:59 PM
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To Vancouver: Ottawa 1st, Foligno, lee

Too Ottawa : Vancouver 1st, Hodgson
As in Ottawa's lottery 1st/2nd overall pick as it stand right now?

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02-13-2011, 07:23 PM
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Yeah, so Many Malhotra is blocking him now from being an NHLer?

Thanks for making my point.

Today it is malhotra, next year some other grinder...till the guy who is suppose to be a star/superstar NHLer is officially a bust?
If you think Manny is akin to a random grinder you seriously haven't watched him or don't know a lot about hockey. Or do we have the best GAA by luck?

As players contracts expire on this team Cody will have every chance to make it. If he does it then great, but if not then oh well, but he'll do it here because we won't be trading him for scraps that aren't needed in an already good locker room.

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02-13-2011, 07:26 PM
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02-13-2011, 08:22 PM
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Just wondering would Van take Alfredson to play with the twins for Hodgeson? He has two more yrs left on his contract at a very affordable price but he also might retire soon.

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02-13-2011, 08:28 PM
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Just wondering would Van take Alfredson to play with the twins for Hodgeson? He has two more yrs left on his contract at a very affordable price but he also might retire soon.
Would be a nice all around player to have but we ain't got the space

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Yeah, so Many Malhotra is blocking him now from being an NHLer?

Thanks for making my point.

Today it is malhotra, next year some other grinder...till the guy who is suppose to be a star/superstar NHLer is officially a bust?
actually malhotra will be wearing the canucks for the next 2 years after this, and can't be moved without his approval.

looks like rushing your 19 year old studs in the nhl with a cup contending team will be real perfect, as they will obviously carry the team to the top of the conference after a few years, ala spezza and fisher. oh wait!

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02-13-2011, 09:14 PM
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What's the word on Hodsgon?

Repeated injuries and unimpressive numbers doesn't entice me much, though I haven't watched him play.
Needs to work on speed, as expected, other than that looks like as advertised playing limited minutes with two grinders.

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02-13-2011, 09:24 PM
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Ottawa already has a player with back problems.

Hodgson looks good but I'd rather not make a push for players that have injury issues. Not after the whole Leclaire mess.

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02-13-2011, 09:25 PM
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Talk to hockey people or people who have seen him play and they say Hodgson is great. On HF people try to trade for him and tell you how useless he is at the same time.

You never see Canucks fans offering him up...except for Parise or Weber.

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02-13-2011, 09:52 PM
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If you think Manny is akin to a random grinder you seriously haven't watched him or don't know a lot about hockey. Or do we have the best GAA by luck?

As players contracts expire on this team Cody will have every chance to make it. If he does it then great, but if not then oh well, but he'll do it here because we won't be trading him for scraps that aren't needed in an already good locker room.
Malhotra is a freakin GRINDER and yes I watch hockey. Players like that can be valuable to winning teams for filling a need. Look, Chris Kelly who everyone would agree is even a better player and better 3rd line center is still a GRINDER and in no way should 'block' say Sean Couturier/Nugen-Hopkins from playing in Ottawa.

The day that a journeyman like Many who's found his niche blocks you from making your team is when it is clear that

A. you don't have the tools to contribute/develop in a 3rd line role on a contending team

B. if you are already 3 years removed from your draft year and you still haven't made the team, you are probably more likely to bust or at least come up way short than meet the sky high star expectations

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02-13-2011, 09:54 PM
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Ottawa already has a player with back problems.

Hodgson looks good but I'd rather not make a push for players that have injury issues. Not after the whole Leclaire mess.
Honestly dude, you missed the bus by so much, that you missed the short bus.

We don't want your crap for our top prospect. No Phillips, Lee, Kuba, Foligno, even Alfy would be worth us sacrificing our own future with such a good young player for a meh upgrade.

Alfy doesn't even really fit the Sedins style, they need a mucker who's willing to go the dirty areas n dig for pucks, head to the net n get rebounds. Hence why Burrows n Kesler work so well with these guys. Not Naslund types.

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02-13-2011, 09:58 PM
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Talk to hockey people or people who have seen him play and they say Hodgson is great. On HF people try to trade for him and tell you how useless he is at the same time.

You never see Canucks fans offering him up...except for Parise or Weber.
This. Cody simply is not avaiable for any trade unless for a huge overpayment. I am fine with fans of other teams thinking he is overrated or injury prone. Great, don't try to trade for him then. We like him on the Canucks just fine.

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02-13-2011, 10:06 PM
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This. Cody simply is not avaiable for any trade unless for a huge overpayment. I am fine with fans of other teams thinking he is overrated or injury prone. Great, don't try to trade for him then. We like him on the Canucks just fine.
Agreed. If your not willing to see the Value he brings to the Canucks and insist on trying to trade for him.
Just **** when it comes to the value. Cuz if you don't realize his value to us, than you don't know nothing about the Vancouver Organization or how it is being handled. So please, stop for your own sake. Not ours

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02-13-2011, 10:55 PM
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Why are some people so mad the Canucks don't want to trade their best prospect? It's very strange.

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02-13-2011, 10:56 PM
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A similar package for Schnieder maybe, not Hodgson

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02-13-2011, 11:12 PM
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I can't believe people are questioning Hodgson's abilities because he's not in the NHL. There is these two centres named Henrik Sedin and Ryan Kesler that play 20 minutes each. Factor in Malholtra and there isn't a lot of ice time for another centre. After missing a lot of hockey over the past year the best thing for Hodgson is to get minutes down in the AHL and work on his game. His time will come.

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02-13-2011, 11:32 PM
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Hodgson had a goal and an assist in 5 games playing fourth line minutes. In those 5 games, he played less than 10 minutes in each of the games except against Phoenix (he had 11:27), which was a 6-0 blowout victory and likely got some extra playing time since AV doesn't like to run up the score.

Yes, he is absolutely a bust.

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02-13-2011, 11:36 PM
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Malhotra is a freakin GRINDER and yes I watch hockey. Players like that can be valuable to winning teams for filling a need. Look, Chris Kelly who everyone would agree is even a better player and better 3rd line center is still a GRINDER and in no way should 'block' say Sean Couturier/Nugen-Hopkins from playing in Ottawa.

The day that a journeyman like Many who's found his niche blocks you from making your team is when it is clear that

A. you don't have the tools to contribute/develop in a 3rd line role on a contending team

B. if you are already 3 years removed from your draft year and you still haven't made the team, you are probably more likely to bust or at least come up way short than meet the sky high star expectations
SC/RNH would break Ottawa's top 6 because it's shallow and weak.

Look at the Canucks roster. It is stacked.

Gillis is going with a 6/6 format. 6 offensive forwards, 6 defensive forwards. This is because the 9/3 the last two years failed and winning teams like Chicago used the 6/6 format

Gillis got the bottom 6 grinders he wanted.

Cody can easily break the bottom 6, but that's not preferable for his development. Cody is not a grinder/role player. We don't want him playing low minutes with **** linemates.

Understand?

As for the top 6 we want Cody playing at center and developing as a center. But we happen to have Henrik "leading the league in assists" Sedin and Ryan "3rd in the league in goals" Kesler centering the top two lines.


Why have Cody on the wing of Kesler when Samuelsson can do a decent job at it while Cody gets MORE minutes in the AHL?

Do you understand player development at all?

Cody Hodgson cannot crack the top 6 of the #1 team in the NHL, that doesn't make him a bust.

By your logic Kadri is a 100% bust because he's also 3 years removed from being drafted and hasn't made his nhl club despite them being SECOND LAST the prior year AND Kadri didn't lose a year of muscle training and hockey due to an injury.


So you may watch hockey but you certainly don't know much about it. To call CoHo a 3rd/4th liner is beyond stupid. Go look up what some experts think of him. They seem to still have him rated as the #1 prospect across the league.

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If these two teams make a trade I hope Schneider is involved.

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Great, another Hodgson **** fest...

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If these two teams make a trade I hope Schneider is involved.
If Schneider is to be moved in the near future, Ottawa is definitely a team I can see him being moved to. Don't think Gillis will move him this season though, the insurance he provides behind Luongo is not something Gillis will want to part with at this point in the season unless it's an offer to good to pass up IMO.

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If Schneider is to be moved in the near future, Ottawa is definitely a team I can see him being moved to. Don't think Gillis will move him this season though, the insurance he provides behind Luongo is not something Gillis will want to part with at this point in the season unless it's an offer to good to pass up IMO.
Given what Halak returned, I would be stunned if Schneider at this point brought back a significant return.

Could he bring it back eventually if he get some playing time in the post-season? Sure.

The problem is, even on the roster right now, he's not getting a lot of minutes and it's hard to evaluate him as a potential #1.

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