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02-14-2011, 09:01 AM
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Boston - Columbus

I'm wondering if Columbus would be open to trading Tyutin given Clitsome's production of late, and that the Bruins would be sending talent back to help them now.

I'd expand the trade to include Clark to make it more palatable for the Jackets, and to give the B's some depth in the bottom six going into the playoffs.

Boston trades:
Blake Wheeler ($2,200,000, RFA)
Mark Stuart ($1,650,000, UFA)
BOS 2011 #1

Columbus trades:
Fedor Tyutin ($2,843,750, signed through 2011-12 - $3.425m salary next year)
Chris Clark ($2,633,333, UFA)

I am probably underrating Tyutin's value, just curious how close this is though.

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You are not underrating, you are overpaying. I like Tyutin, but he isn't what we need.

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I'll pass on that price

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Cant see Howson moving Tyutin. Dont really like Stuart or Wheeler. Rather just pass and keep Tyutin.

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Sure it's possible Tyutin could be moved to the Bruins. The Jackets need centers. Do the Bruins have any?

That said, Jackets need all hands on the blueline tight now, so it's more likely be offseason, and not sure the B's are looking for him in the offseason.

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You are not underrating, you are overpaying. I like Tyutin, but he isn't what we need.
That's fair - but unfortunately, Stuart's got almost no value above a 3rd rounder at this point, and on the Bruins, Wheeler's marginal value is limited because he'll be playing 3rd line wing at best.

I disagree that Tyutin isn't what we need - he's leading the Jackets' D in TOI/G, over 21:00, and is ten times more desirable than Chris Phillips imo. He'd eat minutes, be above-average in his own end, and deliver a lot more offense than they're getting out of any defender not named Chara/Seidenberg. Replacing Recchi at the point on the #1 PP unit with Kampfer allows for a Boychuk - Tyutin pairing on the 2nd pairing, where even Ference has seen some time.

As far as value, I don't think it's far off - he's about the same value as a defender as Seidenberg was when we got him from Florida, only Seidenberg was an impending UFA with a $1m poison pill before he became a free agent. TB's 2nd last year is probably similar value to the Boston 1st this year, but Tyutin's extra year at that cap hit makes him much more attractive to Boston, and warrants trading an impending UFA of minimal value and an RFA who would soon be squeezed out of the lineup by prospects anyhow.

Tyutin also becomes a FA when one of Alexandrov/Bartkowski/TOR 1st are ready to make the jump in 2012-13, and gives Alexandrov another Russian stateside. I don't know, it seems like a fit to me - moreso than Phillips or Kaberle.

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Sure it's possible Tyutin could be moved to the Bruins. The Jackets need centers. Do the Bruins have any?

That said, Jackets need all hands on the blueline tight now, so it's more likely be offseason, and not sure the B's are looking for him in the offseason.
Wheeler looked his best this year as our 3rd line center - I liken him to Martin Hanzal in that role, and his physical game has really picked up in the last calendar year. The goals don't seem to be coming, but he's still been an effective player and hasn't had the best linemates this year. 30-40 points with some jam and very good backchecking/penalty killing seems about right, maybe more points in a more open system.

I take it Commodore's in a Jeff Finger-type situation in Columbus at this point? Do you think if they fall a few more back of the 8th seed they consider moving Tyutin?

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Wheeler looked his best this year as our 3rd line center - I liken him to Martin Hanzal in that role, and his physical game has really picked up in the last calendar year. The goals don't seem to be coming, but he's still been an effective player and hasn't had the best linemates this year. 30-40 points with some jam and very good backchecking/penalty killing seems about right, maybe more points in a more open system.
I'll take your word as I haven't seen enough of the B's this season, but I remain skeptical. And I'm not sure Howson should be looking to move Tyutin for a guy to play on the third line. That said, a guy with his skill-set/potential is something I'd like to have centering the third line.

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I take it Commodore's in a Jeff Finger-type situation in Columbus at this point? Do you think if they fall a few more back of the 8th seed they consider moving Tyutin?
Yes I suppose it's possible but it wouldn't be a sell-off. I think Howson is perfectly happy to keep Fedor around.

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IMO we need a C to replace Savard (if that's possible) so I'd look at Brassard. Don't like, or see a need for Clark and I'm not a whole lot impressed with Tyutin. I'd go Stuart and Boston's 1st 2011 for Brassard.

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IMO we need a C to replace Savard (if that's possible) so I'd look at Brassard. Don't like, or see a need for Clark and I'm not a whole lot impressed with Tyutin. I'd go Stuart and Boston's 1st 2011 for Brassard.
Center is not a position of strength in the Jackets system and Brass is playing very well with Nash and Voracek on the top line. With the team still in the playoff hunt, I don't see this kind of shake-up being possible. I don't doubt there could be a trade made between these teams, but I don't see it being this one.

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IMO we need a C to replace Savard (if that's possible) so I'd look at Brassard. Don't like, or see a need for Clark and I'm not a whole lot impressed with Tyutin. I'd go Stuart and Boston's 1st 2011 for Brassard.
UFA and a late 1st for a young top 6 center with potential still, on a team starved for a #1 center.

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hejda would be far cheaper ane would most likely contribute what you are looking for

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hejda would be far cheaper ane would most likely contribute what you are looking for
What's his contract look like? And is he an upgrade to Stuart or Boychuk? How cheap would he be assetwise to acquire?

Wouldn't mind a player of his ilk as depth come playoffs, but he's far from the priority at the moment.

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02-14-2011, 01:38 PM
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No interest at all in Tyutin at that price

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UFA and a late 1st for a young top 6 center with potential still, on a team starved for a #1 center.

Good value
No need for the sarcasim but I do see you point about value. How about Hamill, Arniel, boston's 1st and Stuart for Brassard and Hejda.

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hejda would be far cheaper ane would most likely contribute what you are looking for
See the above proposal.

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Clitsome would probably appreciate the extra icetime. You might even say it would rub him the right way......

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No need for the sarcasim but I do see you point about value. How about Hamill, Arniel, boston's 1st and Stuart for Brassard and Hejda.
You could swap out Hamill with Colborne and it still wouldn't be acceptable. The #1C we're looking for is a now guy; if we wanted a future guy, we'd draft Ryan Johansen - oh wait, we did that too, didn't we?

The idea of having Arniel's son on the team is cute, but it's not worth this setup.

Frankly, we are not your source for top-6 NHL roster centers. We need the ones we have.

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No need for the sarcasim but I do see you point about value. How about Hamill, Arniel, boston's 1st and Stuart for Brassard and Hejda.
bust, average prospect, pending marginal UFA and about 25th pick for the 1st line center and top-4 D?

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You could swap out Hamill with Colborne and it still wouldn't be acceptable. The #1C we're looking for is a now guy; if we wanted a future guy, we'd draft Ryan Johansen - oh wait, we did that too, didn't we?

The idea of having Arniel's son on the team is cute, but it's not worth this setup.

Frankly, we are not your source for top-6 NHL roster centers. We need the ones we have.
It's his nephew, but otherwise you're spot on.

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It's his nephew, but otherwise you're spot on.
...so it's not Gord Murphy's nephew who played for the junior Jackets and moving to Miami next year?

D'oh.

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