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07-17-2005, 07:44 PM
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Their will be more positive posts about Rob and a possible return, then angry rants about how he sucks. This I know!

I'm done with this discussion.....#4
You may be right, who knows, I know I would welcome Blake back, I've said this before, but who ever ranted about him sucking?

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07-17-2005, 07:48 PM
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And to the comment, "And I'm sure you will get more than just my own", well, I'm not considered by most to be a "little guy", so I'm pretty confident I can handle "ones own opinion", on the internet and out in public or driving on the freeway for that matter! Again, I welcome all opinions. And for those, who are not POSITIVE, fell free to shut me a PM! Thank You.........

C'mom guys, are some of you secretly Av's fans!




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07-17-2005, 08:16 PM
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No thanks.
Blake is too old and would be too expensive, Schneider is not able to play D.

If dreaming is allowed, I'd prefer something like Foote-Niedermayer or Foote-Aucoin.
being a wing fan, ur first statement is untrue, schneider might have been our best or 2nd best offensive defensemen, but he was pretty damn good at defense, at times better then niklas...

a plus 22 compared to lids plus 19.... he is able to play defense just not gritty

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07-17-2005, 08:24 PM
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I agree wtih you about booing, but I think your wrong about the mention of not wanting to be here. He likes LA alot!
I don't doubt one second that he doesn't like LA but he wanted to go somewhere he felt like he could win the cup and make a little more money. There's nothing wrong with that but he acted like he would rather have stayed here before he was traded which I really doubt.

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07-17-2005, 08:37 PM
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And to the comment, "And I'm sure you will get more than just my own", well, I'm not considered by most to be a "little guy", so I'm pretty confident I can handle "ones own opinion", on the internet and out in public or driving on the freeway for that matter! Again, I welcome all opinions. And for those, who are not POSITIVE, fell free to shut me a PM! Thank You.........

C'mom guys, are some of you secretly Av's fans!



Dude, what are you talking about? I simply said I'm sure you will get more than my own opinion, why are you trying to act like I'm trying to call you out, or fight you?

And what are you talking about Av's fans?

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07-17-2005, 09:12 PM
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being a wing fan, ur first statement is untrue, schneider might have been our best or 2nd best offensive defensemen, but he was pretty damn good at defense, at times better then niklas...

a plus 22 compared to lids plus 19.... he is able to play defense just not gritty
That's fine, but in his time in L.A., Mattieu was atrocious in his own end. Constantly giving the puck away in the slot...constantly taking dumb penalties...

Over the course of his career, Schneider has had a bad +-.

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07-17-2005, 09:14 PM
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I keep seeing Footes name brought up. While he would be a good addition, the last thing we need is another defenseman with no offensive skill. Send Miller packing and I can get on board with Foote, but not until then.

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Dude, what are you talking about? I simply said I'm sure you will get more than my own opinion, why are you trying to act like I'm trying to call you out, or fight you?

And what are you talking about Av's fans?

Well, maybe I took what you said the wrong way. Secondly, I view yourself and Albi trying to CLOWN one of our hero's. So I wanted to voice my own opinion. By know means am I trying to heat-up this thread with back and forth talk "WWE style" talk. If their is a problem handle it with a PM.

Again, I'm done with this back and forth communication. Anything with regards to this topic give me a PM so we don't ruin a thread.

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07-17-2005, 09:49 PM
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Well, maybe I took what you said the wrong way. Secondly, I view yourself and Albi trying to CLOWN one of our hero's. So I wanted to voice my own opinion. By know means am I trying to heat-up this thread with back and forth talk "WWE style" talk. If their is a problem handle it with a PM.
This is a public forum where every person can voice how they feel about certain players regardless of whether they are clowning your hero or not. As long as there isn't any derogatory comments made about the player then everyone can say what they wish. I can assure I don't have a problem, but then again, I wasn't the guy who said, "I can handle "ones own opinion", on the internet and out in public or driving on the freeway for that matter.."

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Well, maybe I took what you said the wrong way. Secondly, I view yourself and Albi trying to CLOWN one of our hero's. So I wanted to voice my own opinion. By know means am I trying to heat-up this thread with back and forth talk "WWE style" talk. If their is a problem handle it with a PM.

Again, I'm done with this back and forth communication. Anything with regards to this topic give me a PM so we don't ruin a thread.
He might be one of your heroes but he's not one of mine. Anyone that rips the C off of his chest in training camp because he felt he hasn't gotten a contract offer worth enough money is someone that is putting himself over the team and acting like a greedy SOB. Then he spent the rest of the season causing distractions. Rather than saying to the media "Hey, I'm not going to talk about the contract discussions" and not answering questions about the situation, he kept making comments like "well they better trade me since it looks like they're not gonna sign me". How is that helping the situation any? Did he think that mentioning that turned the lightbulb on in Dave Taylor's head that exploring a trade might be a good idea? Not only that, those comments I'm sure were unsettling to the guys in the room and every time they went to a new city, especially in Canada, the media would ask the same questions over and over. Also his comments that it wasn't about the money and that he wanted to test the free agent waters and then signing with the Avs before becoming a free agent didn't sit well with me and a lot of others.

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I never thought of this but Rob Blake did the Kings a favor by being a dick about the contract. Imagine our team the last few years with a huge portion of payroll going to Rob, an injured Allison and Deader, and Ziggy. What would we be left with? We would have to be buying out his contract now. Ill welcome Blake back (even as a hardcore boo'er) because he actually did us a favor.

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07-18-2005, 12:50 AM
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Dear Blake supporters:

I've never booed Blake, but I don't find fault with those that have.

I would prefer NOT to have him back. Age, contract, deteriorating defensive play and previous baggage more than outweigh any positives he might bring back.

His defensive positioning has never been worthy of his reputation - a poke check can only take you so far. Sure, I remember the bone-crushing hip checks, but how many of those do you expect from a 35-38 year old?

In regards to his off-ice abilities, don't you remember the utter lack of leadership from the rudderless Robinson regime? He's the only Kings' captain that I can remember being even more passive than Norstrom. Do you really want the guy that abandoned his teammates over a contract back on this squad? For what, nostalgia? For all we know we could see Luc, Glen Murray and Matt Schneider back at Staples. Should we dig up JP Kelly, Phil Sykes and Brian MacLellan as well? Our left wing is a little weak after Frolov.

There's a good dozen defensemen available who are better and more affordable than Blake.

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07-18-2005, 12:52 AM
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He might be one of your heroes but he's not one of mine. Anyone that rips the C off of his chest in training camp because he felt he hasn't gotten a contract offer worth enough money is someone that is putting himself over the team and acting like a greedy SOB. Then he spent the rest of the season causing distractions. Rather than saying to the media "Hey, I'm not going to talk about the contract discussions" and not answering questions about the situation, he kept making comments like "well they better trade me since it looks like they're not gonna sign me". How is that helping the situation any? Did he think that mentioning that turned the lightbulb on in Dave Taylor's head that exploring a trade might be a good idea? Not only that, those comments I'm sure were unsettling to the guys in the room and every time they went to a new city, especially in Canada, the media would ask the same questions over and over. Also his comments that it wasn't about the money and that he wanted to test the free agent waters and then signing with the Avs before becoming a free agent didn't sit well with me and a lot of others.
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True "hardcore" fans never boo anyone when leaving.
On which planet do you live? IMO True Hardcore fans are the ones who booo Blake every time he steps onto the ice at Staples. I'm on Reaper's side all the way, he's damn right.

Nobody's here saying Blake sucks, we're not kids and we say "He sucks" just because he left for a better and more talented team. Blake, plain and simple, left for 2 reasons:
  1. Money
  2. A chance to win
Some Fans understood that, the majority didn't. The problem was that he wasn't a simple player: he was our team captain. our leader, a sure bet for a retired number. And what he does? He makes a mess all year because he wants 9 million and the Kings offer him just 8 millions??? Oh, pour Rob, we should have understood his sadness. And pour Rob everytime he comes back to Staples, those boooos are really so cruel. Come on...

The market is flooded with a T-O-N of great players, I'm wondering why we always have to talk about:
  1. Schneider - 36 year old
  2. Palffy - 33 year old
  3. Blake - he'll be 36 next December
And I'm sure once the FA market will be open again, Muzz will be in the mix too (he'll be 33 in November). I'm not saying those are crappy players, they're all great players. But they belong to the past, we need to turn the page, look to the future. We are in great position to build a good team and I don't think DT is so stupid to screw up his plans with signing aging veterans. If you haven't noticed it, the UFAs age will go down every year for the next upcoming seasons.

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07-18-2005, 01:18 AM
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I never knew about him asking for 9 million and was offered 8. I didn't know he acted like that in training camp either. Still like him alot though. Will always believe that Orange County-LA fans would love to have him back more than any other UFA. Regardless of his past antics. I always believed him to be the opposite. Since alot of you say basically the same thing, it's probably true of him. Big fan of # 4, regardless if I sit in the dark on this one!



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being a wing fan, ur first statement is untrue, schneider might have been our best or 2nd best offensive defensemen, but he was pretty damn good at defense, at times better then niklas...

a plus 22 compared to lids plus 19.... he is able to play defense just not gritty
Thank you for coming to the board and sorting some of these guys out. I've been saying the same thing about Schneider for a long time now, and was sad to seem him go. Glad we got Avery out of it, but i'd still take Schneider over Blake any day of the week. Rob Blake doesn't throw his ass around like he use to, and if some people think Blake's D is better than Schneider.....I really don't know what games you're watching. Tell you the truth I want neither at this point and time, but if I had a choice it would be Schneider, and money probably wouldn't be an issue, as he's already taken a pay cut in the past with us. Blake would probably want more money.

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That's fine, but in his time in L.A., Mattieu was atrocious in his own end. Constantly giving the puck away in the slot...constantly taking dumb penalties...

Over the course of his career, Schneider has had a bad +-.
And Blake?
Schneider at least had the word "nasty" in his vocabulary. He played with an edge. Blake use to give bone-jarring hits, but even before we had dealt him, that was something of his past. I like both players, but both should be part of our past. If we want to bring an ex-King back on D.....I'll take Alex Zhitnik.

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07-18-2005, 02:35 AM
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I wouldn't mind seeing Schneider back....

As for Blake- I'm not sure.....he is still a force for sure but I'm one of the many that boo his ass when he plays at Staples. Although I suppose I could forgive and forget if he came back and led the Kings to the cup.

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I really don't think we need either of those guys back...If the NHL TRULY starts to call obstruction, we have a good, fleet-skating defense group...With Visnovsky, Dempsey, Norstrom, Miller, Corvo, Gleason, Grebs and Weaver, I think adding another older defenseman would not help us significantly...The money would be better spent on some offense, because we are lacking some serious firepower up front....

Also, I boo Blake because he left on bad terms for more money...And the Kings stuck by him through all his injury-ridden seasons, and like Boucher, he decides to leave for more money....There was no loyalty...

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There was reports he wouldn't sign a deal with us because he was going to make 42.5 instead of 45 million over a 5 year period. He wouldn't come half way with the Kings and if, he didn't want to be here he didn't have to B.S. I love Blake because he meant a lot to the Kings. I boo him because not that I think he's a bad player or bad guy, just because he got greedy and made it like he wanted to stay here when he really didn't. I think by calling me and others unloyal fans and not hardcore fans because of that is a complete joke.

I thought he made mention that he didn't care for the team direction or the management. I think the added paycheck wasn't as great as his distaste for the organization at that time. Most former players of Blake's calibur left and won Stanley Cups with other teams that had a winning formula in place/knew how to get it done. I think Blake saw he was closing in on his career and the Kings were doing nothing serious to win a Cup (at least he didn't see any evidence of that happening).

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I would have re-signed Schneider rather than Miller. But I've been watching him play in the HS elite league, and he's looked just awful. Really, really rusty.

If Blake comes back, I will stop booing him.

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