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02-14-2011, 09:01 AM
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I have the same opinion. I would not trade seguin for skinner, simply because I think that seguin will be better in the long run. He has better skating and hands ( in my opinion) but skinner definitely has the better shot, and thats why I think he is putting up the points, not to mention I don't think goalies have seen him enough to really gauge how to stop him.
Overall I think that the comparison here is very lofty, simply because of the huge difference in playing time. Skinner averages almost 5 more minutes TOI than Seguin does, and has played 20 more games.

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02-14-2011, 09:02 AM
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I'd take Samsonov over Thornton any day of the week. Oh wait, what was the question again?
Excellent analogy. That should end this debate. The Magical Muscovite!

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02-14-2011, 09:45 AM
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The reason Skinner has been so much better is that he does most of his work without the puck. Those guys (almost) always adjust to the speed of the NHL faster because there is no fear of being hit when skating without the puck. Skinner can get to the net just as effectively now as he did in Kitchener. He can still make plays with the puck because he is still a skilled guy, but a lot of his goals come after he spends very little time with the puck on his stick.

That's not the way Seguin plays. When he was at his best in Plymouth, he was carrying the puck a lot. It's a lot harder to adjust that part of the game to the NHL level. He'll get there (hopefully) but he's clearly not as comfortable carrying the puck as he was last year.

It was the same thing with Samsonov and Thornton. Thornton creates scoring chances when he is the one with the puck on his stick. Samsonov just needed to skate down the wing, receive a pass and shoot.

Seguin has more skill (his speed and shot separate him from Skinner to whichever Anton asked that) but just like the player that adjusts to the NHL quickest doesn't always end up being the bese, the guy with the most skill also doesn't always end up being the best. It's way to early to tell who will be the better player, but neither team would trade them for eachother for marketing and pr reasons.

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Fan of both teams here.

Right now, there is no way Carolina trades Skinner for Seguin. Would not happen, no way no how. It's not just about talent, it's about production and selling tickets.

Long-term it is entirely possible Seguin is the better player, but that could be said of any player in the draft. In terms of what is concretely known about these players, it would be silly to trade the popular high-scoring one for the one with a higher draft number.

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02-14-2011, 01:14 PM
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voted most ridiculous thread on this section... No way Carolina gives up Skinner for anything sort of a huge over payment... I mean HUGE... He means more to the franchise that the points he's put up so far... Seguin to me, not only isn't an overpayment, it's an underpayment

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BTW, Seguin screams the second coming of David Legwand to me.

I don't know why, he just does.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, as David Legwand is now a defensive specialist. If he played on a Canadian team, he would be in talks for Selke every year.

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02-14-2011, 01:21 PM
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Sabres fan started, and Boston and Canes fan bases fell for it...

10 out of 10 on troll scale to OP.

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02-14-2011, 01:26 PM
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voted most ridiculous thread on this section... No way Carolina gives up Skinner for anything sort of a huge over payment... I mean HUGE... He means more to the franchise that the points he's put up so far... Seguin to me, not only isn't an overpayment, it's an underpayment

other then this comment the rest are at least logical the bruins for starters would not trade seguin for skinner no way it has been half of a season and both players are expected to do different things let alone how much more ice time and games skinner has played im not knocking on skinner because he has been amazing this year but do you really thing the bruins would give seguin for him is just out of the question

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02-14-2011, 01:53 PM
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voted most ridiculous thread on this section... No way Carolina gives up Skinner for anything sort of a huge over payment... I mean HUGE... He means more to the franchise that the points he's put up so far... Seguin to me, not only isn't an overpayment, it's an underpayment

Is it a realistic (or even interesting) trade proposal? No. Would I have started it? No. But Seguin vs. Skinner is a really interesting comparison. Obviously both teams prefer their own players because they have already sold them to their fanbases, but I'd be interested to hear which player fans of other teams would prefer to add to their team (if, in this hypothetical world, they could add one).

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02-14-2011, 02:13 PM
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other then this comment the rest are at least logical the bruins for starters would not trade seguin for skinner no way it has been half of a season and both players are expected to do different things let alone how much more ice time and games skinner has played im not knocking on skinner because he has been amazing this year but do you really thing the bruins would give seguin for him is just out of the question
Do you honestly believe Carolina would take Seguin for Skinner straight up? not a chance in hell... It would be out of the question... Skinner is more than point to the Canes...

BTW, I think Sequin is a terrific player

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02-14-2011, 04:11 PM
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Do you honestly believe Carolina would take Seguin for Skinner straight up? not a chance in hell... It would be out of the question... Skinner is more than point to the Canes...

BTW, I think Sequin is a terrific player

i was never bashing skinner lol thats why this thread is a non point neither team would do this trade


and i think skinner is a terrific player as well

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02-14-2011, 04:25 PM
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A couple of questions/comments.

I understand what you are saying, but I think Justin Williams is a bad example. He had 25 points in 63g his first year, 40 in 75g his 2nd year. Injuries hit. He then developed in Carolina into a 30G / 70point player and was outstanding defensively. That's a substantial improvement over where he started. If it wasn't for injuries (a couple of very serious knee injuries), I have no doubt Williams would have been a consistent 30+G/ 70-80point player. Even now in Los Angeles in a year where he is finally healthy (but not nearly as fast as he was before all the injuries), he is on pace for 29 goals and 67 points.

Re: Skinner, I am curious to understand what limitations he has when you say "Seguin doesn't have the same limitations"? Not disputing it, just want to understand your line of thinking.

BTW..I'm of the same opinion though. If I was Boston, I would not want to make the trade based on 1/2 a season. I have confidence Sequin will develop.
i didnt do the scouting but i guess those that did see some differences in projections.

common held hockey belief is that no 18 year old kid should be expected to be a stud at 18. we can name on one hand how many have been able to do it over the last 30 years. even stamkos and tavares have been limited in their impact at 18

and common held hockey belief is that if a kid is 19 and still struggling in the ahl, he is still a prospect. more then 50% of players that have good NHL careers are still floating around the AHL at 19

whatever a kid does or doesnt do in the nhl at 18/19 usually doesnt mean alot to scouts. It is more a reflection on their own maturity rather then their skill and many 18/19 year olds arent mature

the body continues to grow... get stronger...

getting stronger helps some players... doesnt help others... its no exact science. and sometimes scounts get it wrong.

lars jonsson was a high draft pick for boston that was picked on his potential. something went wrong.

with skinner.. i think the scounting report was his skating wouldnt make him top end. i think from what i remember, i saw a comment that he needs to gain a step to become another mike camerelli.

now, there is no shame in being mike camerelli. mike earns like 5 mill a year and has been sort of a first line guy now for the past 4-5 years.

but that was what is considered to be skinners upside. guys that get drafted 1 or 2 are expected to become hall of fame candidates.

only a complete buffoon would write off seguin at 18 or 19. im not saying he is going to fulfill expectations, but i am saying you cant tell at 18 or 19.

the same stuff that he had going into his draft is all stuff he still has... the potential for greatness.

alot of the insiders i hear talk say hed go number 1 if he was in this draft this year. i realize he didnt deliver super performance in his first season, but he still has potential.

skinner did deliver super performance... no one should say anything against skinners performance. but he didnt suddenly develop magical potential. his potential is the same, he simply delievered on it earlier then seguin did

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02-14-2011, 04:30 PM
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the last time carolina/boston drafted 2 guys that went right into the NHL and one was top 2 pick was Staal/Bergeron

i was around these boards that year... alot of people said Bergeron was the best player in that draft.

most my fellow bruin fans said no way in hell would we deal bergeron for staal when the point came up for debate.

staal is looking like a good bet for the HOF now and Bergeron is one hell of a second line center that maybe can hold his own on a first line when he gets hot.

talent eventually wins out even if one guy is super mature at 18/19 and impresses the hell out of us

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02-14-2011, 04:55 PM
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the last time carolina/boston drafted 2 guys that went right into the NHL and one was top 2 pick was Staal/Bergeron

i was around these boards that year... alot of people said Bergeron was the best player in that draft.

most my fellow bruin fans said no way in hell would we deal bergeron for staal when the point came up for debate.

staal is looking like a good bet for the HOF now and Bergeron is one hell of a second line center that maybe can hold his own on a first line when he gets hot.

talent eventually wins out even if one guy is super mature at 18/19 and impresses the hell out of us


staal is obvs better but there both very similar staal better on offense but there both amazing defenders for forwards and both are great leader begs gets over shadow because on the big guy but thats ok i guess

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