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02-14-2011, 01:45 PM
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Can't tell if serious. Just to clarify, you wouldn't give up Weiss for Schenn?
For Luke Schenn? No, I think his overrated at this point, as most Leafs players.

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I get his untouchable to Toronto, but let's be reasonable. He isn't worth a 60+ point center AT THIS POINT.
career high 61 points...

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02-14-2011, 01:51 PM
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B. Schenn traded for Booth and Weiss traded for L. Schenn?

Hey we will give you Grabovski for Erik Grudbranson if you think the above trades are fair value...

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Wait, Chicago gets a TiVo? That's ok, we got a DVR with our cable box already.

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I get his untouchable to Toronto, but let's be reasonable. He isn't worth a 60+ point center AT THIS POINT.
Weiss is a 2rd line center at BEST.

He'd be behind Grabovski in Toronto, and we dont think of Grabovski as a #1 center.

there are not many teams you can say this about, but, there is not even ONE player on the entire Panther's roster that could get you Luke Schenn in return

Vokoun is your best player by a wide margin, your best non goalie is Kulikov, and you'd be adding your 1st rounder to him if you wanted to entertain an offer for Schenn.

Even then, many, if not most Leafs fans would be reluctant to make that deal

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02-14-2011, 01:57 PM
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For Luke Schenn? No, I think his overrated at this point, as most Leafs players.
To clarify,

Never in a million years would we deal Schenn for Weiss.

But, I do consider Weiss a #1C (fringe)... good 2nd line C, so as a Leaf fan I'd want him, but not at the price of Schenn.

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02-14-2011, 02:01 PM
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Weiss is a 2rd line center at BEST.

He'd be behind Grabovski in Toronto, and we dont think of Grabovski as a #1 center.

there are not many teams you can say this about, but, there is not even ONE player on the entire Panther's roster that could get you Luke Schenn in return

Vokoun is your best player by a wide margin, your best non goalie is Kulikov, and you'd be adding your 1st rounder to him if you wanted to entertain an offer for Schenn.

Even then, many, if not most Leafs fans would be reluctant to make that deal
Too funny. A defenseman that is one year younger and is outproducing Schenn and has a better +/- rating too. Schenn has even played one more season in the NHL, and still Kulikov is playing better than him. Hilarious.

And Grabovski over Weiss

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02-14-2011, 02:15 PM
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Too funny. A defenseman that is one year younger and is outproducing Schenn and has a better +/- rating too. Schenn has even played one more season in the NHL, and still Kulikov is playing better than him. Hilarious.

And Grabovski over Weiss
Grabovski should surpass all of Weiss's career high totals this season, which is his 3rd in the NHL vs 8 for Weiss. So, yes, after this season, he will have surpassed the almighty Weiss.


You have no actual idea who Luke Schenn is, or how he plays do you?
you just read the boards, and look at the box stats dont you.

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02-14-2011, 02:18 PM
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Too funny. A defenseman that is one year younger and is outproducing Schenn and has a better +/- rating too. Schenn has even played one more season in the NHL, and still Kulikov is playing better than him. Hilarious.

And Grabovski over Weiss
Wow your offensive defenseman has more points than our defensive defensman. What a shock.
Kulikov is better offensively and Schenn is better defensively. But here is the thing, Schenn is much better defensively than Kulikov is offensively.
Luke Schenn has more hits than any other Dman in the league, where do Kulikov's 19 points but him for dmen?

As for +/- it is only a good stat when compared against the rest of a players team. Schenn is the only + defensive player on the entire team.

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02-14-2011, 02:21 PM
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Grabovski should surpass all of Weiss's career high totals this season, which is his 3rd in the NHL vs 8 for Weiss. So, yes, after this season, he will have surpassed the almighty Weiss.


You have no actual idea who Luke Schenn is, or how he plays do you?
you just read the boards, and look at the box stats dont you.
I watch plenty of games, thank you. Pretty poor comeback.

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02-14-2011, 02:21 PM
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For Luke Schenn? No, I think his overrated at this point, as most Leafs players.
Give your head a shake, buddy.

If you honestly believe people would not trade Weiss for Schenn, go make a poll and see how lopsided it becomes.

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02-14-2011, 02:24 PM
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To L.A
David Booth

TO FLORIDA
BRADEN SCHENN

TO TORONTO
STEPHEN WEISS

TO FLORIDA
LUKE SCHENN

TO CHICAGO
T-VO

TO FLORIDA
KYLE BEACH & 2011 2ND OR A 1ST IF HE GET YOU GUYS IN THE FINALS.

PLEASE DON'T KILL ME,JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR OPINION.
I would imagine that's a no and a no on the first two. Neither Booth or Weiss have sufficient value for that return, not even close. The value isn't too bad on the Chicago deal, but how would they fit Vokoun under the cap?

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I watch plenty of games, thank you. Pretty poor comeback.
I'm not even convinced Weiss is much better than Stajan.

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Booth and Weiss are both overvalued on these boards. It's nice to see Stephen Weiss producing but, really, he's nothing more than a good 2nd line center. Early in his career he was a fringe second line center (like Matt Stajan) but since Florida has nobody better than him to fill the number one spot he's been forced to produce and he has, like a fringe 1st line center. David Booth has an extremely good skill-set but his concussion may alter his value in a negative way (don't know how it's affected him this year but we all see how concussions can affect a career).

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02-14-2011, 03:08 PM
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Booth and Weiss are both overvalued on these boards. It's nice to see Stephen Weiss producing but, really, he's nothing more than a good 2nd line center. Early in his career he was a fringe second line center (like Matt Stajan) but since Florida has nobody better than him to fill the number one spot he's been forced to produce and he has, like a fringe 1st line center. David Booth has an extremely good skill-set but his concussion may alter his value in a negative way (don't know how it's affected him this year but we all see how concussions can affect a career).
I'll use his stats to prove this just a little wrong.

15 Goals ranks 78th
22 Assists ranks 89th
37 points ranks 74th

we will take his best rating, and go with 74th

1st liners = 1-30th
2nd liners = 31-60th
3rd liners = 61-90th

...thus Weiss is a 3rd liner in every aspect statistically. Not a fringe 1st liner, not even a fringe 2nd liner ...a middle of the road 3rd liner.

AS an FYI Grabovski ranks 50th (points), and Bozak for example would be a 9th liner (statistically speaking ...lol that would be #1 C in the ECHL)

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02-14-2011, 03:52 PM
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So Toronto gives up the best player in the trade, and gets a guy who is no better than 4 of their current top 6 guys?

GREAT, where do we sign

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I'll use his stats to prove this just a little wrong.

15 Goals ranks 78th
22 Assists ranks 89th
37 points ranks 74th

we will take his best rating, and go with 74th

1st liners = 1-30th
2nd liners = 31-60th
3rd liners = 61-90th

...thus Weiss is a 3rd liner in every aspect statistically. Not a fringe 1st liner, not even a fringe 2nd liner ...a middle of the road 3rd liner.

AS an FYI Grabovski ranks 50th (points), and Bozak for example would be a 9th liner (statistically speaking ...lol that would be #1 C in the ECHL)
I would call Weiss a 2nd liner. Your argument is flawed because you only counted 30 players in first liners. There are 3 first line positions. You either count the top 90 as 1st liners, if you are going by stats which I don't personally like, or you use only 30 and count only centermen against him.

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you guys gave up two first rounder and a second for phil kessel.







That is truely the worst reasoning behind any trade proposal since the Kessel Deal.

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