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02-14-2011, 09:54 AM
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Rangers vs Islanders - what can I expect? Oh, and a Gaborik question

After catching three games in November I have managed to book a five day trip in March to catch two Rangers games - the Islanders and the Canadians.

As a soccer fan, local derbies are the biggest game of the year - often more important than league position.

I was just wondering what to expect from the Islanders game really, having never been to a derby in US Sport.

Have featured it in my blog as well if anyone is bored stupid and has a spare five minutes:

http://sweatshoptachinardi.blogspot....rbyplease.html

Also, in another question altogether, why does Gaborik get used for penalty killing? I watched the Penguins game in ESPN and he seemed to be at fault for one of their goals - not that it mattered in the end.

As a relative hockey novice, I was just wondering as to the thinking behind using a predominantly attacking player in a PK situation. I seem to remember while watching a game a few weeks back the commentator said it was something aimed at getting Gaborik to put in a shift.

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Gaborik is a good defensive player, he definitely isn't a weak spot on the PK at all. He also keeps the other team honest. When you have a player with that kind of speed and skill on the PK, you can't play as aggresively at the points. You don't want to overuse him, but he's a good option to put out there for the last 20-30 seconds of the PK when the other team's PP unit may be a little tired. I'm fairly sure he played a lot of PK time in Minnesota as well so it's not like its something new for him.

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After catching three games in November I have managed to book a five day trip in March to catch two Rangers games - the Islanders and the Canadians.

As a soccer fan, local derbies are the biggest game of the year - often more important than league position.

I was just wondering what to expect from the Islanders game really, having never been to a derby in US Sport.

Have featured it in my blog as well if anyone is bored stupid and has a spare five minutes:

http://sweatshoptachinardi.blogspot....rbyplease.html

Also, in another question altogether, why does Gaborik get used for penalty killing? I watched the Penguins game in ESPN and he seemed to be at fault for one of their goals - not that it mattered in the end.

As a relative hockey novice, I was just wondering as to the thinking behind using a predominantly attacking player in a PK situation. I seem to remember while watching a game a few weeks back the commentator said it was something aimed at getting Gaborik to put in a shift.
First off, enjoy your trip. Should expect a pretty good, often rowdy for American standards crowd, and a violent game given the Isles recent nastiness.

Gaborik in the PK is actually not uncommon. Teams with stronger defensive players often put a quicker offensive player on the ice who has one job - intercept the point-to-point pass and take it to the house. Gaborik actually is a relatively good defensive forward considering his predominant role.

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I attended back-to-back games vs Isles in December.....
I would say itīs not quite what you would find in european football, but itīs definately something else than an ordinary game.

The "hatred" is not the same, but Ranger-fans did pick on the fishermen throughout the game - enjoyable!

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Crowd rivalries in American sports aren't going to measure up to the ones in Europe. There isn't as much of an visiting fan presence at most games. That being said, the game should still have a great atmosphere and may get rowdy depending on what takes place on the ice that night.

The games out at Nassau are closer to what you are used to, I would suspect. You get a much higher presence of invading Rangers fans out there than you get Islanders fans at MSG. The same thing, although slightly less so, at Prudential Center for Devils games.

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Thanks for the info - that makes sense re: Gaborik. Still getting to grips with the intricacies of the game.

Am I right in thinking Prust and Avery are good PK'ers? Prust seems to be good in the corners. Although, of course, I may be talking like a naive limey...

re: derbies. The last soccer one I saw (Brighton vs Portsmouth) was in the FA Cup this season. There were police everywhere and both clubs had what are known over here as 'Firms' out - with 100 or so on each side, having to be kept apart by police, with Portsmouth given an escort by police riot vans from the train station to the ground.
Then after the game, the two gangs (I guess you could call them) tried to meet up for a fight in the next town.

I went away to Crystal Palace (Brighton's main rivals) a few seasons back and we were held in for an hour after the game and kept penned in certain bars before the game. We had about 4,000 aways fans there that day and the atmosphere was certainly nasty.

It will be refreshing to go to a sporting derby without all that hassle.

Lets go rangers!

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Yeah you won't see anything nearly that bad here. Fights are common, but it's usually between two people and isolated, not large groups. Fans here aren't organized into supporters clubs like they are over there, I think thats a big part of it. It's a lot easier to start a fight when you know you have 50 people with you to back you up.

If the game gets rowdy, you'll likely see the following:

Lots of verbal abuse between the two fanbases, with the Isles fans getting the worst of it since they are outnumbered.

Beer/food/etc thrown at Isles fans.

A couple fights in the stands if things get out of control. A couple fights on the way out the door if the Rangers lose and any Isles fans decide to rub it in our faces.

That's about it. Nothing that MSG security can't handle.

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Re: Prust and Avery, they are both pretty good PKers. On a PK, as far as forwards go, it doesn't take a lot of skill to be a good PKer, it just takes a lot of work ethic and dedication. Prust and Avery are both fairly quick and don't have a problem doing some dirty work so they do a pretty good job. A solid PK is generally more a product of a team willing to work their tails off and take their lumps to keep the puck out of the net. There is a bit more of a burden on the defensemen.

Gaborik is a good PKer for slightly different reasons. As I mentioned above, he keeps the other team honest with his speed and offensive ability. He's also pretty good at stripping players of the puck, he has the skills to be able to pick another players pocket without needing to throw his body in front of pucks. He's in the minority of guys who PK based off skill.

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They won't let us have supporters sections at away games in the NHL........

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You'll probably hear 27 "Potvin Sucks" chants, in addition to 10 however many end up failing. Some people will get beer dumped on them, there will be some individual insults thrown around, and a couple of sections might start an ***hole chant if there's a particularly rowdy Pisles fan in the area.

It'll be fun, but the level of intensity in the stands won't exceed whatever happens on the ice. If it's a wild game, the stands might get substantially rowdier than normal.

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re: derbies. The last soccer one I saw (Brighton vs Portsmouth) was in the FA Cup this season. There were police everywhere and both clubs had what are known over here as 'Firms' out - with 100 or so on each side, having to be kept apart by police, with Portsmouth given an escort by police riot vans from the train station to the ground.
Then after the game, the two gangs (I guess you could call them) tried to meet up for a fight in the next town.

I went away to Crystal Palace (Brighton's main rivals) a few seasons back and we were held in for an hour after the game and kept penned in certain bars before the game. We had about 4,000 aways fans there that day and the atmosphere was certainly nasty.

It will be refreshing to go to a sporting derby without all that hassle.

Lets go rangers!

6.57 Crew. I think they were the ones who started crap in 06 in Germany.

Could've been worse though, you could've gone and watched Milwall. They're the worst I reckon.

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During the Islander game, there will be a few fights in the game. During the Canadiens game, there will be a few fights in the crowd. Also during that Islander game, you will get annoyed by the old "Potvin Sucks!" chant. Time to retire that chant unless we're playing the Senators.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUX9HheLpWs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSYsZSiVWQo

that's about what you'll see... nothing organized.....

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6.57 Crew. I think they were the ones who started crap in 06 in Germany.

Could've been worse though, you could've gone and watched Milwall. They're the worst I reckon.
Been to Millwall a few times. We never have any real problems with them and the security round the ground is ridiculous. Away fans get off the train and led down a fenced off walkway straight to the stands. Actually one of the safer grounds to visit.

Last time we had any real trouble of note was against Leeds a few seasons back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gopwUCVCfm4

Looking forward to the Rangers vs Islanders game and some good natured banter!

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Crowd rivalries in American sports aren't going to measure up to the ones in Europe. There isn't as much of an visiting fan presence at most games. That being said, the game should still have a great atmosphere and may get rowdy depending on what takes place on the ice that night.

The games out at Nassau are closer to what you are used to, I would suspect. You get a much higher presence of invading Rangers fans out there than you get Islanders fans at MSG. The same thing, although slightly less so, at Prudential Center for Devils games.
id hope they couldnt compare to european rivalries they fill eachother and riot in the stands and roll cars over. im not looking for a game to be delayed and me be inconvenienced because a bunch of psychos want to hop on the ice and start fighting players because they hate them.

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Thanks for the info - that makes sense re: Gaborik. Still getting to grips with the intricacies of the game.

Am I right in thinking Prust and Avery are good PK'ers? Prust seems to be good in the corners. Although, of course, I may be talking like a naive limey...

re: derbies. The last soccer one I saw (Brighton vs Portsmouth) was in the FA Cup this season. There were police everywhere and both clubs had what are known over here as 'Firms' out - with 100 or so on each side, having to be kept apart by police, with Portsmouth given an escort by police riot vans from the train station to the ground.
Then after the game, the two gangs (I guess you could call them) tried to meet up for a fight in the next town.

I went away to Crystal Palace (Brighton's main rivals) a few seasons back and we were held in for an hour after the game and kept penned in certain bars before the game. We had about 4,000 aways fans there that day and the atmosphere was certainly nasty.

It will be refreshing to go to a sporting derby without all that hassle.

Lets go rangers!
Here's my question. Are these gangs as you call them a collection fo hard-core fans who take things way too seriously or are they literally gangs looking for a fight and the soccer game is an excuse to meet up and have this fight?

A friend of mine was in Rome a few years back and went to the ManU-Roma (I think it was Roma) game. Not sure if it was a friendly or a champions league or what. It was in February if that matters. Anyways, as they were walking someone nearby told him and his friend not to speak English as they got closer to the Stadium. Said people would assume they were ManU supporters, and they could have a problem. 2 minutes later, they saw some English guy walking screaming he had been stabbed.

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This will also be a first for me....my GF got me tickets for my first rangers/islanders game. Lets hope for a win!

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Ranger/Islander games have a tremendous atmosphere. It's one of the few nights a year for New York hockey that we should at least be proud of the output and passion that we have for hockey and for our teams, together.

That being said, it can get violent, but more or less remains harmless the majority of the time. More trash-talk than anything. It's usually those who get piss-drunk and do out-of-the-ordinary things to attract the fans of the opposing team in a bad manner. Stay out of it, and you'll just enjoy the entertainment of fan fights and the game.

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Here's my question. Are these gangs as you call them a collection fo hard-core fans who take things way too seriously or are they literally gangs looking for a fight and the soccer game is an excuse to meet up and have this fight?
A friend of mine was in Rome a few years back and went to the ManU-Roma (I think it was Roma) game. Not sure if it was a friendly or a champions league or what. It was in February if that matters. Anyways, as they were walking someone nearby told him and his friend not to speak English as they got closer to the Stadium. Said people would assume they were ManU supporters, and they could have a problem. 2 minutes later, they saw some English guy walking screaming he had been stabbed.


It's hardcore fans who take it way too far but you ocassionally get idiots I guess who aren't fans and just tag along for fights.

My brother went to a West Ham game couple years ago and they walked from the stadium to the train station after the game. That plus the train ride, he reckons he was never more scared in his life.

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Here's my question. Are these gangs as you call them a collection fo hard-core fans who take things way too seriously or are they literally gangs looking for a fight and the soccer game is an excuse to meet up and have this fight?

A friend of mine was in Rome a few years back and went to the ManU-Roma (I think it was Roma) game. Not sure if it was a friendly or a champions league or what. It was in February if that matters. Anyways, as they were walking someone nearby told him and his friend not to speak English as they got closer to the Stadium. Said people would assume they were ManU supporters, and they could have a problem. 2 minutes later, they saw some English guy walking screaming he had been stabbed.
I think those involved would consider themselves hardcore fans. Those not involved would say they were mindless thugs. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

There is an entire sub culture surrounding soccer violence, with fashion almost as big a part as the violence - certainly in years gone by anyway when casuals (as they were called) would travel to different countries to try and find rare Adidas trainers etc.

Soccer is very tribal in England. There are a lot of glory hunters who live support Manchester United and Chelsea from miles away, but in the main people support their local teams, meaning regional rivalries exist and for many people, the fighting is a chance to express local pride etc, albeit in a misguided way.

The worst teams tend to come from very deprived areas as well, such as Tottenham Hotspurs, Millwall and West Ham in London, Birmingham City in the midlands, Cardiff in Wales and Leeds United and Sheffield United in Yorkshire. Not a lot else to do and gives people a sense of belonging and achievement / respect they perhaps do not have available elsewhere in their lives.

You could spend all day discussing the sociological reasons behind it. I guess, at its heart though, is the fact that some people will always want to fight. Football gives them that outlet.

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