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02-14-2011, 11:12 PM
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Its...a...third...rounder...
Doesn't matter what rounder. He just doesn't fit.

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02-14-2011, 11:16 PM
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Couple interesting things from the Presser..

1st When asked about Kaberle..Burke didn't explode and go on his normal rant about not asking him about no trade...instead only said that Kaberle agent has asked for secrecy and he would honour that...VERY intriguing to me..I know Dregger also said Kaberle was not asked to waive NTC...so perhaps Kaberle has asked to be traded himself? May make some sense when you think about it..maybe his agent has opened his eyes to what a nice Playoff run with a contending team would do for him in contract negotiations this summer....

2nd..He said the 3rd rounder was in play and already in a purposed deal to bring a player back..he said it would be to take on salary...and the player would be within the "age" he wants (under 30?) So many ways to take that comment...Perhaps its in a big package and he is taking a terrible contract i.e Drury as the salary...and a younger player

If we put 2 of those together maybe we get a
Kaberle plus Philly 3rd to NYR for Drury and Kreider haha
lol.

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02-14-2011, 11:19 PM
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This makes the maple leafs 2nd....easier to move.

MacArthur + 2nd (tor)
for
Decent young player + 1st


DONT rip on me please:
MacArthur + 2nd
for
Hodgson + 1st

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02-14-2011, 11:22 PM
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This makes the maple leafs 2nd....easier to move.

MacArthur + 2nd (tor)
for
Decent young player + 1st


DONT rip on me please:
MacArthur + 2nd
for
Hodgson + 1st
bahahah...as a leaf fan please tell me your joking...you will get ripped to hard

you do know a Van 1st and our 2nd may be like only a pick or 2 apart right?

so even discounting that Vancouver doesn't actually move down any...do you think MacArthur would bring back Hodgson?

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02-14-2011, 11:26 PM
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bahahah...as a leaf fan please tell me your joking...you will get ripped to hard

you do know a Van 1st and our 2nd may be like only a pick or 2 apart right?

so even discounting that Vancouver doesn't actually move down any...do you think MacArthur would bring back Hodgson?
figured Van wanted to add a 2nd liner for playoff help?
I know Hodgson will be a stud, but i thought he was somewhat having a rough time with management?

The 1st and 2nd are a wildcard. I too think Van has a good shot at the holy grail....But why not take a gamble? they may fall earlier than expected, especially in the 'deep' western conf.

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02-14-2011, 11:28 PM
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If we put 2 of those together maybe we get a
Kaberle plus Philly 3rd to NYR for Drury and Kreider haha

Do you guys know how high the Rangers are on Kreider? Please research players before you make asinine proposals. He is one of the most highly touted prospects we have had in a LONG time. (Not counting Cherepanov)

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02-14-2011, 11:38 PM
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Ok, you're turn to step into the GM seat. What would be a deal that you think would make sense for the leafs to make right now? You never really seem to agree with any move Burke makes, so what would you do if you were him...
Build for next year. As for the moves to make, are we talking about right now? or three days ago?

The first move would be regardless of timeline -- ditch Mike Komisarek, whatever the cost. Schenn's emergence as a legit top 4 defenceman, combined with Aulie's excellent AHL play (and pretty good play in his time at the NHL level) have made him completely expendable and grossly undervalued on Toronto's roster. Keeping him any longer will only cause his value to get worse, as the time since he last played well will increase.

The second would be to see if there's an opportunity to trade for a forward who fits with Kessel long term. (no untouchables) If there is and the price and returning player makes sense, you make that trade.

The 3rd would be to identify the impending UFAs who aren't going to be back -- notably guys like Freddy Sjostrom, and JS Giguere. Let it be known league wide that they are available and ditch them for whatever you can get. Giggy might hold some value for the rest of the year in the sense that the Leafs organizational depth in goal has taken a hit in the last few weeks.

If it were 3 days ago, you identify the costs associated with resigning Schenn/Kaberle/MacArthur/Bozak/Gunnarsson, and figure out whether or not Kris Versteeg on a 3rd line at $3m is a luxury you can afford. You also have to make a decision as to whether or not you've got a better way to get a defensive partner for Phaneuf now or in the offseason. If you need to clear those bodies, then you do so in a deal for maximum value with no bad contracts (that extend beyond this season) in return.

If we're talking about now, you treat Lupul no different than Komisarek.

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02-14-2011, 11:46 PM
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Do you guys know how high the Rangers are on Kreider? Please research players before you make asinine proposals. He is one of the most highly touted prospects we have had in a LONG time. (Not counting Cherepanov)
I feel your pain..I forgot about the Rangers drafting record the last 10 years
1st Rounders
2000- nil
2001 - Dan Blackburn
2002 - nil
2003 - Hugh Jessiman
2004 - Al Montoya and Lauri Korpikoski
2005 - Marc Staal
2006 - Bob Sanguinetti
2007 - Alexei Cherepanov
2008 - Michael Del Zotto
2009 - Chris Kreider
2010 - Dylan Mcllrath

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02-14-2011, 11:49 PM
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I feel your pain..I forgot about the Rangers drafting record the last 10 years
1st Rounders
2000- nil
2001 - Dan Blackburn
2002 - nil
2003 - Hugh Jessiman
2004 - Al Montoya and Lauri Korpikoski
2005 - Marc Staal
2006 - Bob Sanguinetti
2007 - Alexei Cherepanov
2008 - Michael Del Zotto
2009 - Chris Kreider
2010 - Dylan Mcllrath
Okay, thats just ****ing sad.

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02-14-2011, 11:59 PM
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I feel your pain..I forgot about the Rangers drafting record the last 10 years
1st Rounders
2000- nil
2001 - Dan Blackburn
2002 - nil
2003 - Hugh Jessiman
2004 - Al Montoya and Lauri Korpikoski
2005 - Marc Staal
2006 - Bob Sanguinetti
2007 - Alexei Cherepanov
2008 - Michael Del Zotto
2009 - Chris Kreider
2010 - Dylan Mcllrath
Yea our first round picks have **** the bed, besides staal and del zotto. Cherepanov was also a great pick and what happened was a tragedy. However, our lower round draft picks have really been great.

Currently on our roster

Dubinsky, Callahan, Lundqvist, Stepan, Anisimov and Sauer

Add in the trades/signings of McDonagh (first rounder MTL), Brian Boyle (1st rounder LA) Girardi (undrafted UFA), and Zuccarello (undrafted ufa) we really cant complain about how our prospects have come along.

Really it was before the lockout that our youth movement was absolutely pitiful, ever since then its been pretty solid. Sanguinetti seems to be a bust but our more recent picks have looked great in there development.

That said, Kreider is still a highly prized possession around these parts and wont be traded for a good player let alone a rental. There would need to be some wild overpayment to pry him from our team.

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02-15-2011, 12:02 AM
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Okay, thats just ****ing sad.
and so is Jessiman over Dustin Brown


But at least 2004 made up for it with Dubinsky

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02-15-2011, 12:04 AM
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Ranger fans:

I'm not sure of his value, what would you want from the Leafs side for Anisimov?

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I'm not sure of his value, what would you want from the Leafs side for Anisimov?
In before Ryan Bozak.

So think of what you would want in return for Bozak and add a little more, and there's your answer.

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02-15-2011, 12:09 AM
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I'm not sure of his value, what would you want from the Leafs side for Anisimov?
One of Kadri or Schenn.

I know you guys are going to say thats an overpayment but theres nothing on torontos roster besides these few guys....maybe kulemin too, that is of interest to the Rangers.

Anisimov is a part of our core, he's improved further this year and looks to top out at a good 2nd line center, maybe in the 65-75 point range. He's not someone that can be had for peanuts or picks.

The rangers are building a nice foundation and the significant pieces of that foundation can only be had for ones that will improve it.

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24 mil free for the leafs moving into next year. Instead of thinking of trading Kaberle i say burke now makes a late move (till the deadline) to sign him at 4-4.5 mil a year for 2 or 3 years. Given this would have to be an absolute NMC. But i say do it now, lock him up and the D will only get better as Schenn Aulie and Gunnarson develop. Sure Komisarek has a horrid contract, but almost all teams in the league have a bad contract. Sign Kaberle, and then pursue free agency with 20 mil. Also that was based on the cap being 59.4 mil, and apparently it could rise as much as another 3 million which would be 23 mil for 11 players.

I would think burke will trade:

Guiguere : for next to nothing, maybe a mid level prospect , could see tampa (lots of cap space, and would be an experienced back-up)

Funny thing thats all i get after looking at there roster.... ouch for the leafs but 23 mil in the offseason
Huge push for Richards (all the money they can throw his way, maybe a 5 year 6-7 mil range)
Gagne - 3-4 mil (injury prone) still has some of the sweetest hands in the league IMO
Scotty Upshall - 3 mil...

just some ideas, im a pens fan but have a little leaf in my heart...

I think that these 3 signings would go a LONG way to developing the leafs top 9, hell i think it would put the leafs with 3 solid lines to work with.

Now as a pens fan how about cooke and a pick maybe 2nd or 3rd for Macarthur? please please

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for luke Schenn & the 3rd lol
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In before Ryan Bozak.

So think of what you would want in return for Bozak and add a little more, and there's your answer.
You can have Ryan Bozak

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Offer sheet coming
You need your own picks to make an offer sheet and any offer sheet made this off season would involve the 2012 picks not 2011 picks as free agency starts after the draft.

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i expect to see some more overpaid nhl players in our lineup by the deadline.


Anything is better then Boyce and Crabb though

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i expect to see some more overpaid nhl players in our lineup by the deadline. ...
Speaking of these, the Leafs now have exactly the trade bait for a Spezza deal: Kadri, 1st, 3rd, salary dump with skill. Though it would be as likely as an Oilers-Kings trade for a #1C.

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Speaking of these, the Leafs now have exactly the trade bait for a Spezza deal: Kadri, 1st, 3rd, salary dump with skill. Though it would be as likely as an Oilers-Kings trade for a #1C.
. . . are you joking?

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Gunnarson and 3rd for Raymond?

Van needs D depth but without the cap hit.

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Gunnarson and 3rd for Raymond?

Van needs D depth but without the cap hit.
I doubt we are moving anymore defensemen. Kaberle is as good as gone (FA or trade) and we just lost Beauchemin. Our blue line is gonna look bleak without those guys regardless, and dealing Gunnar just doesn't make any sense to me.

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This makes the maple leafs 2nd....easier to move.

MacArthur + 2nd (tor)
for
Decent young player + 1st


DONT rip on me please:
MacArthur + 2nd
for
Hodgson + 1st
Oh. Ma. Gaa.
You can't be serious....

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I doubt we are moving anymore defensemen. Kaberle is as good as gone (FA or trade) and we just lost Beauchemin. Our blue line is gonna look bleak without those guys regardless, and dealing Gunnar just doesn't make any sense to me.
FA crop is much stronger for D than it is for fwds

Gunnar is a bottom pair guy, im sure someone like Blacker/Mikus/Holzer/Lebda could fill that spot

Phanuef, Schenn, Aulie, FA as top 4

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