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02-15-2011, 11:27 AM
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Kaberle is as bad on defence as Leetch was.....which is to say that his shortcomings are overstated....by alot.

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It was stated the Richards had mentioned Toronto always being a #1 hockey destination, being a Canadian and playing in Toronto and such. But he never committed to wanting to go there in specifics.
There is nothing wrong with the NYR having to take a shot at Richards and having a chance. He played for Torts and was successful with the style, he played with both Prospal and Feds; giving him a comfort zone of having players he is familiar with. A chance to play with a proven sniper such as Gaborik has to be a bonus that Toronto cannot claim unless you look at a one time Kessel event, is it real or is it memorex? We may not land the center but you got to try. That much makes sense.

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Day one at the Draft in June.

To Dallas:
•2011 1st
•Conditional 2012 1st*
•Werek

To NY Rangers:
•Richards
•Conditional 2012 2nd*

*Condition: Richards signs.
I think that's entirely too much to give up for Richards' rights.

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2 1st round picks for a soon to be 32 year old Richards..when you have a shot to draft core players ...

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I knew they would likely burn a 2nd. Still hope they don't though. Rather have 2 picks than a rental.

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Well the Leafs are a franchise with plenty of $$, so as long as they have the cap space they'll be able to throw a lot at him. Thats really the only reason I can think of. The Rangers are much closer to being a contender than the Leafs.
They definitely have the money and space, no arguing that. I just don't see him going there with the bad shape they are in, he doesn't seem like that type of player to me.

Although I'm not saying we exactly have a winning tradition here either, I just think we have a better shot if we can make the space (cap wise).

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I don't think he will make that type of money. More along the lines of 4.5 million/year.
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Id rather keep both seconds and sign Pitkanen.
I'm reading that Pitkanen is expecting at least $5m, so I'm expecting Kaberle to get at least a half mil more if not a greater amount. I'm not seeing a scenerio where we sign one of these defenders AND Richards. Even with Drury traded, because forget it with a buyout.


And can we just put all of these generic "Rangers aren't moving valuable assets, looking for a D, 2nd is in play" threads in 1 spot. It feels like we start the same conversation over, every day.

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2 1st round picks for a soon to be 32 year old Richards..when you have a shot to draft core players ...
Anyone remember what Boumeister's rights netted Florida?

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Day one at the Draft in June.

To Dallas:
•2011 1st
•Conditional 2012 1st*
•Werek

To NY Rangers:
•Richards
•Conditional 2012 2nd*

*Condition: Richards signs.
Did not expect this from you

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Anyone remember what Boumeister's rights netted Florida?
Leopold + 3rd

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/draft2...ory?id=4291535

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Pinch o' salt...

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#Leafs are very active. Just heard from non-Leaf, but high ranking official from other team, "I'd be shocked if Kaberle isn't moved".

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2 1st round picks for a soon to be 32 year old Richards..when you have a shot to draft core players ...
We get it that you do not want to part with that for Richards, but at least get his age right, he's not even 31 yet and won't be for another 2+ months

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Day one at the Draft in June.

To Dallas:
•2011 1st
•Conditional 2012 1st*
•Werek

To NY Rangers:
•Richards
•Conditional 2012 2nd*

*Condition: Richards signs.
This is for his rights? That's terrible. Give 'em a 3rd or a 2nd.

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We get it that you do not want to part with that for Richards, but at least get his age right, he's not even 31 yet and won't be for another 2+ months

My niece is soon to be 32, just so happens that she was born in August 2010.

No need to scratch and claw. One year doesn't make a big difference.

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Anyone remember what Boumeister's rights netted Florida?
more than what he was worth for sure.

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I know its eklund but though it was worth discussing:

*Time in Philly may be very short for Zherdev, rumors he could be on waivers today or tomorrow.


Anyways. My list for defenseman:

Pitkanen
Kaberle
McCabe

Forwards:

Weiss
Hemsky
Kovalev
Zherdev (if he was put on waivers I'd consider him)

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No need to scratch and claw. One year doesn't make a big difference.
fair enough.

I edited my original post

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2 1st round picks for a soon to be 32 year old Richards..when you have a shot to draft core players ...

He's 30.

And we would be getting back a 2nd round pick.

4 of our current core players on the NHL roster are 2nd round picks.

Dubinsky
Anisimov
Stepan
Sauer

You can get a core player with a second round pick.

The chances of getting a player like Richards at all, are slim.

You have to give to get. If you know my posts, I'm usually always against giving up draft picks and young players. But in this situation we have built a solid young core, we still have kids like Kreider, Hagelin, McIlrath, Grachev, Werek coming up.

This is the time to acquire the piece that would make us a contender. We can continue to add young pieces, too.

Who knows what the price actually would be. Could be less then that.

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Question is: Does Richards really want to spend the rest of his career in that circus while Burke tries to put a competitive team together, or does he want to come to NY where the team is very close to being able to compete -- and likely do so the rest of his career -- and there is a coach behind the bench he's very close with?

Seems like a no-brainer, but I guess stranger things have happened. I don't think it'll necessarily be about the money with Richards. I think our real competition will be Dallas.

Agreed on all points...I believe either Dreger or MacKenzie had Dallas, The Rangers, LA and TB, (can't see that one), as the most likely destinations for Richards this summer...Toronto wasn't in the conversation.

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He's 30.

And we would be getting back a 2nd round pick.

4 of our current core players on the NHL roster are 2nd round picks.

Dubinsky
Anisimov
Stepan
Sauer

You can get a core player with a second round pick.

The chances of getting a player like Richards at all, are slim.

You have to give to get. If you know my posts, I'm usually always against giving up draft picks and young players. But in this situation we have built a solid young core, we still have kids like Kreider, Hagelin, McIlrath, Grachev, Werek coming up.

This is the time to acquire the piece that would make us a contender. We can continue to add young pieces, too.

Who knows what the price actually would be. Could be less then that.
Frankly, I'd rather part with the likes of Hagelin or Kundratek, instead of a #1, for the rights to negotiate with Richards. Remember, Philly gave Nashville back their #1 from the Forsberg deal to negotiate with BOTH Hartnell and Timmonen. I'll keep the #1 pick and part with redundant prospects.

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This is for his rights? That's terrible. Give 'em a 3rd or a 2nd.

Maybe its steep.

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And that was massive overpayment IMO. By all accounts, Phaneuf wanted to sign in Calgary, so why bother trading for his rights? I don't see how trading for a player's rights increases a team's chances of signing the player. It certainly didn't help philly or pitt to trade for Hamhuis' rights.

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I know its eklund but though it was worth discussing:

*Time in Philly may be very short for Zherdev, rumors he could be on waivers today or tomorrow.


Anyways. My list for defenseman:

Pitkanen
Kaberle
McCabe

Forwards:

Weiss
Hemsky
Kovalev
Zherdev (if he was put on waivers I'd consider him)
Love the list to be honest. Not sure why me and you are agreeing so much, lol. It's a bit scary.

My targets are Hemsky and Kaberle before anyone else on that list, however.

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He's 30.

And we would be getting back a 2nd round pick.

4 of our current core players on the NHL roster are 2nd round picks.

Dubinsky
Anisimov
Stepan
Sauer

You can get a core player with a second round pick.

The chances of getting a player like Richards at all, are slim.

You have to give to get. If you know my posts, I'm usually always against giving up draft picks and young players. But in this situation we have built a solid young core, we still have kids like Kreider, Hagelin, McIlrath, Grachev, Werek coming up.

This is the time to acquire the piece that would make us a contender. We can continue to add young pieces, too.

Who knows what the price actually would be. Could be less then that.
No you dont. You dont have to give anything. You can wait a week and bid for richards with the 29 other NHL teams instead of giving up TWO 1st round picks and Werek just so we can negotiate with him for a mere week. Whats so hard to understand about that? Thats just plain stupid.

You never give up a 1st round pick for someone for negotiating rights unless the guy is under 28 years old. Any age above that is just not worth it for a week of exclusive negotiating rights. And yet you want to possibly give up 2 1st round picks. C'mon I know your smarter than that.

And it is absolutely NO guarantee that the 2nd round pick we would get becomes a "core" player. We have Werek as an already developing prospect who is doing well. That 2nd round pick does not do any justice in replacing a mid round 1st round pick, our 2012 1st round pick and Werek who is looking very good.

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He's 30.

And we would be getting back a 2nd round pick.

4 of our current core players on the NHL roster are 2nd round picks.

Dubinsky
Anisimov
Stepan
Sauer

You can get a core player with a second round pick.

The chances of getting a player like Richards at all, are slim.

You have to give to get. If you know my posts, I'm usually always against giving up draft picks and young players. But in this situation we have built a solid young core, we still have kids like Kreider, Hagelin, McIlrath, Grachev, Werek coming up.

This is the time to acquire the piece that would make us a contender. We can continue to add young pieces, too.

Who knows what the price actually would be. Could be less then that.
The problem is, you're not trading all of that for the player. You're trading that for the right to negotiate with him a week earlier than everyone else. It's not worth nearly that much. Maybe he's got his eyes set on being a Ranger, and making that trade is just a waste of assets. Or maybe he has his eyes set on testing free agency and he signs elsewhere. Again, a waste of assets.

Why any team trades valuable assets for a UFA's rights is beyond me.

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