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02-15-2011, 10:54 AM
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Peter, We Hardly Knew You :-(

With the emergence of Andrei Loktionov, I can't imagine him being sent down to Manchester. This means we have to expose someone to waivers once Sturm is activated. The most logical player is Peter Harrold. His contract is up at the end of the year, and it appears we have the defensive depth in the organization should injuries strike. Plus, he may not even be claimed.

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It is a possibility. I expect him to be claimed if we did put him on waivers, he is very serviceable and there are teams in defensive dire straights who could use a #7 defenseman right now, Vancouver glaringly comes to mind.

Though we still don't know what is going to happen by then. Sturm needs to get healthy, Murray seemed like he didn't expect Sturm to be back for another few games. Also, who knows what is done in the meantime. We are in the hunt for a trade and only a couple of weeks from the deadline, the situation might take care of itself. If worse comes to worse, we can always toss Loktionov in the minors for a week and then bring him back after the deadline as the roster limitations will no longer be there...

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maybe we can put Harrold down for a condtioning stint or maybe move harrold for a 6th or 7th pick

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Sturm to Manchester for 14 day conditioning stint. Problem solved.

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Sturm to Manchester for 14 day conditioning stint. Problem solved.
Yup...

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Sturm to Manchester for 14 day conditioning stint. Problem solved.
I thought conditioning stint players still counted against the NHL 23 man roster?

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I hope your are right piston.

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I thought conditioning stint players still counted against the NHL 23 man roster?
i think you are right....

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Once we get beyond the trade deadline the roster can expand. Problem solved. The way we're playing now, I don't see a rush to waive anyone to allow Sturm back. It's only two weeks away.

I wouldn't be shocked to find Harrold has some modest trade value, like a 6th round pick. He is a puck moving defenseman afterall.

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I thought he was traded/waived from the title of the thread. Maybe we should change it to something else, or at least speculation?

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I always liked Harrold as a utility player.

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We can't send Harrold down for conditioning as they have to come off injury but they do not count for the 23 man roster so I would ask Sturm to go down for a week to get his legs back

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I don't know. Harrold is about as filler as filler can get. Harrold being squeezed out of the lineup appears to be a good thing. If players get injured, there are guys we can call up.

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I'd rather trade Drewiske.

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We can't send Harrold down for conditioning as they have to come off injury but they do not count for the 23 man roster so I would ask Sturm to go down for a week to get his legs back
This is completely wrong. Any player can be assigned to Manchester at any time for a conditioning assignment. However while down on a conditioning stint this player still counts against the 23 man-roster. Also the player has to agree to the conditioning stint and the maximum time is two weeks or a certain number of games(cant remember the exact number right now). Therefore we cannot simply activate Sturm and send him down on a conditioning stint since that would put the Kings at 24 players. By the same token we cannot send Harrold on a conditioning stint and activate Sturm since that would again put the Kings at 24 players.

The solution is, as people have already said, is Sturm will not be activated until after the trade deadline when rosters expand.

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So yes you wouldn't activate Sturm you would send him for the conditioning before calling him back

13.8 Conditioning Loan. Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a Conditioning Loan. If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade the Re-Entry Waivers, or otherwise Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action against the Club, as he deems appropriate. The Player shall continue, during the period of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club.

13.9 Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan. A Player who is on the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception as set forth in Article 50 may, with his consent, during the term of such Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception (but in no event during the first fourteen (14) calendar days and six (6) NHL Games), be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan (the "Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan") for a period not to exceed up to the longer of six (6) days and three (3) games, solely for the purpose of determining whether the Player is fit to play. If the Club determines that it needs more time to assess the Player's fitness to play, the Club may file a written request by facsimile with the Commissioner's Office, with a copy to the NHLPA, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof, to extend the Loan for an additional two (2) games. The Commissioner, upon good cause, may approve the onetime extension. The Commissioner's approval shall not be unreasonably withheld. A Player on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan will continue to be listed on Injured Reserve and will not count against the Club's 23-man roster limit. The Club's Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception will continue until the Conditioning Loan ends, and his Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and Bonuses will continue to count against the Club's Upper Limit and the Players' Share during such time. The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is placed on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Conditioning Loan. If he has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Conditioning Loan to evade Re-Entry Waivers or otherwise to Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take other disciplinary action against the Club as he deems appropriate. A Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Conditioning Loan may be extended on one occasion. This procedure can only be used once during each period of time that the Player is on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury Exception.

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So yes you wouldn't activate Sturm you would send him for the conditioning before calling him back

13.8 Conditioning Loan. Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a Conditioning Loan. If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade the Re-Entry Waivers, or otherwise Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action against the Club, as he deems appropriate. The Player shall continue, during the period of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club.

13.9 Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan. A Player who is on the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception as set forth in Article 50 may, with his consent, during the term of such Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception (but in no event during the first fourteen (14) calendar days and six (6) NHL Games), be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan (the "Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan") for a period not to exceed up to the longer of six (6) days and three (3) games, solely for the purpose of determining whether the Player is fit to play. If the Club determines that it needs more time to assess the Player's fitness to play, the Club may file a written request by facsimile with the Commissioner's Office, with a copy to the NHLPA, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof, to extend the Loan for an additional two (2) games. The Commissioner, upon good cause, may approve the onetime extension. The Commissioner's approval shall not be unreasonably withheld. A Player on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan will continue to be listed on Injured Reserve and will not count against the Club's 23-man roster limit. The Club's Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception will continue until the Conditioning Loan ends, and his Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and Bonuses will continue to count against the Club's Upper Limit and the Players' Share during such time. The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is placed on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Conditioning Loan. If he has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Conditioning Loan to evade Re-Entry Waivers or otherwise to Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take other disciplinary action against the Club as he deems appropriate. A Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Conditioning Loan may be extended on one occasion. This procedure can only be used once during each period of time that the Player is on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury Exception.
I'm confused. Section 13.9 only deals with LTIR, right? Sturm is on regular IR. Neither section 13.8 nor 13.9 mentions what happens to the 23 man NHL roster for conditioning assignments for players coming back from regular IR. (unless i'm misinterpreting something here)

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Harrold is like that chic who is pretty average looking but has a decent body and is up for a good time with no strings attached...you know, the one that responds positively to the 2am call, knock on the door and always with a smile...every boy needs that, right? Right? Carry on.

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Harrold's usefulness was largely as a #4 offensive D-man, where as Drewiske is expected to be #4 in the more defensive role....even though that's not entirely his game. If Mitchell/Greene/Scuderi get hurt, Davis goes in, if Doughty/Johnson/Martinez get hurt Harrold goes in. The difference is, we now have Muzzin and Voinov who are not subject to waivers and both appear to be relatively ready to step in if one of the offensive 3 get injured....something we didn't have last season and something we weren't positive we'd have at the beginning of the season.

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I thought he was traded/waived from the title of the thread. Maybe we should change it to something else, or at least speculation?
I agree. very misleading and unfair to Harrold.

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So yes you wouldn't activate Sturm you would send him for the conditioning before calling him back

13.8 Conditioning Loan. Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a Conditioning Loan. If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade the Re-Entry Waivers, or otherwise Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action against the Club, as he deems appropriate. The Player shall continue, during the period of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club.

13.9 Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan. A Player who is on the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception as set forth in Article 50 may, with his consent, during the term of such Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception (but in no event during the first fourteen (14) calendar days and six (6) NHL Games), be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan (the "Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan") for a period not to exceed up to the longer of six (6) days and three (3) games, solely for the purpose of determining whether the Player is fit to play. If the Club determines that it needs more time to assess the Player's fitness to play, the Club may file a written request by facsimile with the Commissioner's Office, with a copy to the NHLPA, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof, to extend the Loan for an additional two (2) games. The Commissioner, upon good cause, may approve the onetime extension. The Commissioner's approval shall not be unreasonably withheld. A Player on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan will continue to be listed on Injured Reserve and will not count against the Club's 23-man roster limit. The Club's Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception will continue until the Conditioning Loan ends, and his Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and Bonuses will continue to count against the Club's Upper Limit and the Players' Share during such time. The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is placed on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Conditioning Loan. If he has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Conditioning Loan to evade Re-Entry Waivers or otherwise to Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take other disciplinary action against the Club as he deems appropriate. A Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Conditioning Loan may be extended on one occasion. This procedure can only be used once during each period of time that the Player is on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury Exception.
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I'm confused. Section 13.9 only deals with LTIR, right? Sturm is on regular IR. Neither section 13.8 nor 13.9 mentions what happens to the 23 man NHL roster for conditioning assignments for players coming back from regular IR. (unless i'm misinterpreting something here)
There you go. Sturm came off LTIR when he playing obviously and has now been put back on regular IR. Meaning that the Kings would need to activate him to send him on a conditioning assignment.

And if you needed proof on the fact that an injury is not needed for conditioning assignments just look at Schenn this year.

Sturm is not going to Manchester...if they did not assign him when he was coming off LTIR after not playing for almost a year they certainly are not assigning him to Manchester now.

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Harrold is like that chic who is pretty average looking but has a decent body and is up for a good time with no strings attached...you know, the one that responds positively to the 2am call, knock on the door and always with a smile...every boy needs that, right? Right? Carry on.
Wrong. What you've described is waaaay better than Peter Harrold.

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