HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

Fla-Chi (2 trades proposals)

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-15-2011, 04:07 PM
  #1
Blackhawkswincup
Tornado Warning
 
Blackhawkswincup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Chicagoland
Country: United States
Posts: 118,090
vCash: 157
Fla-Chi (2 trades proposals)

#1
To Panthers
D Brent Seabrook

To Hawks
D Dimitry Kulikov

With the Buff news signing Seabrook at this point seems impossible to fit with cap going forward and costs

Is Kulikov highly regarded by Tallon or would he be willing to move him for a guy who he had success with in Chicago

Panthers have cap room to afford Seabrook longterm

Kulikov would offer Hawks a top 4 young dman who's costs are affordable compared to what Seabrook would warrant

#2
To Hawks
C Stephen Weiss
D Keaton Ellerby

To Panthers
D Brent Seabrook

Hawks get #2 C we have been needing for years and a young NHL ready dman to step into lineup

Panthers get a #1 dman who excels in all situations and is proven winner , leader and only 25 yrs old


Last edited by Blackhawkswincup: 02-15-2011 at 04:13 PM.
Blackhawkswincup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 04:13 PM
  #2
digdug41982
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 26,474
vCash: 50
I recently proposed Seabrook and Pirri for Weiss and Ellerby and it was a resounding no. Seabrook for Kulikov will get the same response. They love Kulikov and I'd rather have the right handed shot unless they're adding.

digdug41982 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 04:14 PM
  #3
BBSeabs27
#freeseabs
 
BBSeabs27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Chicago
Country: United States
Posts: 2,313
vCash: 500
Seabs isn't going to go anywhere. The rumor of him being shopped was stooped by Bowman. He intends on keeping Seabrook.

BBSeabs27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 04:16 PM
  #4
Blackhawkswincup
Tornado Warning
 
Blackhawkswincup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Chicagoland
Country: United States
Posts: 118,090
vCash: 157
^
We cant afford another 5 mil + contract longterm

Things have changed with Byfuglien overpayment ,, The price for Seabs just went up

Hawks cant afford another season with a bottom 6 with scrubs like Stalberg/Pisani and hopign that some cheap overhill vet will suffice as a #6 dman (Cullimroe/Boynton failures)

Blackhawkswincup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 04:16 PM
  #5
keytolife
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 30
vCash: 500
Sorry the one position the Panthers do not necessarily have to add anything is D. Not moving Kulikov or Ellerby. And Kulikov for Seabrook would cause a riot i guess..

keytolife is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 04:18 PM
  #6
HockeyRulez
The moves like Jagr!
 
HockeyRulez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The Sunshine State
Country: United States
Posts: 2,587
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup View Post
#1
To Panthers
D Brent Seabrook

To Hawks
D Dimitry Kulikov

With the Buff news signing Seabrook at this point seems impossible to fit with cap going forward and costs

Is Kulikov highly regarded by Tallon or would he be willing to move him for a guy who he had success with in Chicago

Panthers have cap room to afford Seabrook longterm

Kulikov would offer Hawks a top 4 young dman who's costs are affordable compared to what Seabrook would warrant

#2
To Hawks
C Stephen Weiss
D Keaton Ellerby

To Panthers
D Brent Seabrook

Hawks get #2 C we have been needing for years and a young NHL ready dman to step into lineup

Panthers get a #1 dman who excels in all situations and is proven winner , leader and only 25 yrs old
yes to the 2nd deal, Kulikov isnt going anywhere and I would want to put Garrison instead of Ellerby but Seabrook would be great for us

HockeyRulez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 04:19 PM
  #7
BBSeabs27
#freeseabs
 
BBSeabs27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Chicago
Country: United States
Posts: 2,313
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup View Post
^
We cant afford another 5 mil + contract longterm

Things have changed with Byfuglien overpayment ,, The price for Seabs just went up

Hawks cant afford another season with a bottom 6 with scrubs like Stalberg/Pisani and hopign that some cheap overhill vet will suffice as a #6 dman (Cullimroe/Boynton failures)
Seabrook is expected to be making around 5 million anyway...what atlanta does has nothing to do with what the hawks are going to do. 2 completely different GM's.

BBSeabs27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 04:21 PM
  #8
Blackhawkswincup
Tornado Warning
 
Blackhawkswincup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Chicagoland
Country: United States
Posts: 118,090
vCash: 157
Byfuglien getting 5.2 mil a year will have impact on Seabrook contract

Seabrook is much better defender and has good offensive upside

Seabrook is out of our price range at 5 mil or above

Blackhawkswincup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 04:22 PM
  #9
Laus723
#CatsAreComing
 
Laus723's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Country: United States
Posts: 27,538
vCash: 500
Don't like either of those deals. Perhaps if Garrison, Allen, or Weaver were in there, but it leaves a huge hole at center. Kuli's not going anywhere, and Ellerby was developed the right way, no chance either is moved. Weiss has a NTC, too.

__________________
Future now!
Laus723 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 04:32 PM
  #10
BBSeabs27
#freeseabs
 
BBSeabs27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Chicago
Country: United States
Posts: 2,313
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup View Post
Byfuglien getting 5.2 mil a year will have impact on Seabrook contract

Seabrook is much better defender and has good offensive upside

Seabrook is out of our price range at 5 mil or above
Seabrook will be back. I doubt he'll be paid more than Duncs. And Seabrook knows if he goes to another team, they won't be willing to pay over, at least 5.3 mil, anyway.

BBSeabs27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 04:37 PM
  #11
Gootie
Thug of the Year
 
Gootie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Chiraq
Country: United States
Posts: 27,014
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BBSeabs27 View Post
Seabrook will be back. I doubt he'll be paid more than Duncs. And Seabrook knows if he goes to another team, they won't be willing to pay over, at least 5.3 mil, anyway.
Keith makes 8 mil.

Gootie is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 04:39 PM
  #12
AwesomePanthers
Go Cats Go
 
AwesomePanthers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Country: Norway
Posts: 9,469
vCash: 500
From a Panthers POV I would pass on both. Not trading Kulikov, and giving up too much on the second.

AwesomePanthers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 04:46 PM
  #13
Boooooth10
Registered User
 
Boooooth10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Florida
Country: United States
Posts: 7,207
vCash: 500
No way. Kulikov isn't going anywhere. And we need offense. Trading our best center for a defensive defenseman is stupid.

Boooooth10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 05:17 PM
  #14
Hawkaholic
Registered User
 
Hawkaholic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: London, Ont.
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,760
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boooooth10 View Post
No way. Kulikov isn't going anywhere. And we need offense. Trading our best center for a defensive defenseman is stupid.
You mean the defensive defenseman that would have more points than any of your other defenseman.

Hawkaholic is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 05:20 PM
  #15
flapanthersfan
Registered User
 
flapanthersfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Miami, FL
Country: United States
Posts: 2,116
vCash: 500
Huge pass on both. Kulikov is 20 and already our best defensman. Ellerby is showing a hell of alot of promise as well.

If you want a cheap solid blueliner you should target Jason Garrison. Doesn't have the upside, but can play in your top-4 and only makes like $600k for the next two years.Unspectacular, but very very solid, and much more realistic of an acquisition than Ellerby or especially Kulikov.

flapanthersfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 05:23 PM
  #16
HawksTillDeath
Registered User
 
HawksTillDeath's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: N/A
Posts: 1,643
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup View Post
#1
To Panthers
D Brent Seabrook

To Hawks
D Dimitry Kulikov

With the Buff news signing Seabrook at this point seems impossible to fit with cap going forward and costs

Is Kulikov highly regarded by Tallon or would he be willing to move him for a guy who he had success with in Chicago

Panthers have cap room to afford Seabrook longterm

Kulikov would offer Hawks a top 4 young dman who's costs are affordable compared to what Seabrook would warrant

#2
To Hawks
C Stephen Weiss
D Keaton Ellerby

To Panthers
D Brent Seabrook

Hawks get #2 C we have been needing for years and a young NHL ready dman to step into lineup

Panthers get a #1 dman who excels in all situations and is proven winner , leader and only 25 yrs old


my god you are one kind of an over-reactor

byfuglien makes 5.2.. who's to say seabrook is much better than that this year?

buff is a norris candidate - seabs isn't
both are in the prime of their career so its moot

whos to say 5.2 isn't the max seabrook can make

and if you want to go long term it can even be less


all i'm sayin is that its easy to overreact right now.. but lets wait and see

HawksTillDeath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 05:24 PM
  #17
Hawkaholic
Registered User
 
Hawkaholic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: London, Ont.
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,760
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HawksTillDeath View Post
my god you are one kind of an over-reactor

byfuglien makes 5.2.. who's to say seabrook is much better than that this year?

buff is a norris candidate - seabs isn't
both are in the prime of their career so its moot

whos to say 5.2 isn't the max seabrook can make

and if you want to go long term it can even be less


all i'm sayin is that its easy to overreact right now.. but lets wait and see
Are you seriously saying that Buff is better than Seabrook? SERIOUSLY??????

Hawkaholic is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 05:31 PM
  #18
ShootIt
Registered User
 
ShootIt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: 561
Country: United States
Posts: 8,279
vCash: 500
No to both.

ShootIt is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 05:41 PM
  #19
ddawg1950
Registered User
 
ddawg1950's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 10,038
vCash: 500
I have a certain amount of respect for the OP who often posts quite passionately (and rationally) on other (particularly Canuck) boards. But I'm wondering if both these trade proposals seem to indicate he is giving up on the Hawks making the post season. With the way Keith is being overplayed already, losing Seabrook could be the final nail.

ddawg1950 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 07:44 PM
  #20
EbonyRaptor
Registered User
 
EbonyRaptor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Boonies
Country: United States
Posts: 3,244
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup View Post
Byfuglien getting 5.2 mil a year will have impact on Seabrook contract

Seabrook is much better defender and has good offensive upside

Seabrook is out of our price range at 5 mil or above
No he isn't. He makes $3.5M and an additional $2M (total = $5.5M) is manageable. Remember the Hawks essentially get $4M more cap room that the ELC bonuses used this season, plus whatever the league wide salary cap ceiling increase will be.

If there is a d-man that needs to be traded for salary cap reasons (other than the obvious untradeabe albatross contract) - it will be Hjalmarsson and his $3.5M (after the one year waiting period from the offer sheet signing expires in July) - not Seabrook.

You run capgeek numbers - I'm sure you can see how Seabrook is manageable at around $5.5M. The #2 d-man (arguably #1) shouldn't get traded unless it's absolute last resort - which this isn't.

EbonyRaptor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 07:50 PM
  #21
EbonyRaptor
Registered User
 
EbonyRaptor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Boonies
Country: United States
Posts: 3,244
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gootie42 View Post
Keith makes 8 mil.
It's not important what Keith's take home pay is for this particular season. What's important is salary cap hit - which I believe is a smidge over $5.5M. The salary cap hit is the average salary over the length of the contract and Keith has one of those mega contracts where the annual salary declines over the years - thereby lowering his yearly average salary which is what is used for salary cap hit.

EbonyRaptor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 07:54 PM
  #22
Ubi Sunt
KronwalLOL
 
Ubi Sunt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,794
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gootie42 View Post
Keith makes 8 mil.
we're talking about his average salary over the length of the contract. this is the most important number because it is used to calculate how much salary cap space the player takes up. so keith's cap hit is $5.5 million even though his salary this year is $8 million.

Ubi Sunt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 08:00 PM
  #23
magic school bus
***********
 
magic school bus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Jose, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 17,031
vCash: 141
Quote:
Originally Posted by HockeyRulez View Post
yes to the 2nd deal, Kulikov isnt going anywhere and I would want to put Garrison instead of Ellerby but Seabrook would be great for us
Tallon said they have no untouchables. i wouldnt put it past him, but Kulikov is injured.. might have to be an offseason trade instead, BWC.

magic school bus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 08:13 PM
  #24
Sports24-7
Registered User
 
Sports24-7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 695
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by magic school bus View Post
Tallon said they have no untouchables. i wouldnt put it past him, but Kulikov is injured.. might have to be an offseason trade instead, BWC.
There may be no untouchables, but Kulikov is the closest thing to it. Tallon has been talking him up as the major part to build around since before the season started. And while there are no untouchables, there are players it will take an overpayment to get and this isn't' an overpayment. And with the Panthers' major needs being on offense, I certainly can't see them moving him for another defenseman.

Sports24-7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2011, 08:26 PM
  #25
Darrelle Lundqvist
Swagelin
 
Darrelle Lundqvist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 1,782
vCash: 500
Yeah, it would make sense for a team trying to make the playoffs to break up the top defensive pair in the NHL with Keith

Darrelle Lundqvist is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:14 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.