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02-15-2011, 08:59 PM
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Since Colorado was third to last in the league in 2009 and drafted Duchene overall, unloaded several valuable veterans (see Smyth, Ryan) and their heart and soul captain retired. Just because they were the 8th seed last year doesn't mean they're rebuilding. We'll probably end up behind 12th in the west this year.
Smyth was a salary move. Sakic retiring is just timing. And 2009 was a bad year followed by a year where they made the playoffs again. Avs management hasn't shown an clear indications of a rebuild mentality. They would not have made trades for the likes of plugs such as Fleischmann or Hunwick otherwise.

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http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_16990741

"When the Avs finished last in the Western Conference in 2008-09, team owner Stan Kroenke's mandate was rebuild. That meant dealing away or letting the contracts expire of all the older, most expensive signings of previous GM Francois Giguere, such as Ryan Smyth, Andrew Brunette, Ian Laperriere, Brett Clark, Darcy Tucker, Tyler Arnason and Jose Theodore. New GM Sherman was to get what he could for them in trade, and hold on to the draft picks owned by a team that finished 28th overall in 2009."

If you don't even know the Avs are rebuilding, I think you aren't in a good position to suggest what the team needs are. And no, Ponikarovski is not it.
We are talking about different levels of rebuild here. What they did was get rid of older players and expiring contracts for that year (they're Duchene pick year) but a complete rebuild it was not. Call it a mini-rebuild if you will but they were no longer in that mode in the latter half of last season and coming into this season. They already had too good of a base to require a serious rebuild that need last more than a year.

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02-15-2011, 09:08 PM
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We are talking about different levels of rebuild here. What they did was get rid of older players and expiring contracts for that year (they're Duchene pick year) but a complete rebuild it was not. Call it a mini-rebuild if you will but they were no longer in that mode in the latter half of last season and coming into this season. They already had too good of a base to require a serious rebuild that need last more than a year.
Now you are just trolling.

Avs are rebuilding. Whatever fantasies you make up has no bearing on it. Avs fans and the Denver newspapers are more informed about what is going on with the team than you are.

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02-15-2011, 09:19 PM
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Now you are just trolling.

Avs are rebuilding. Whatever fantasies you make up has no bearing on it. Avs fans and the Denver newspapers are more informed about what is going on with the team than you are.
Look bud, don't give me this trolling crap. What these "newspapers" may say is one thing but actual organizational dealings say something completely different. Yeah, I'm not an Avs fan and I don't care enough to argue logic with you here, but looking at the facts, this so-called rebuild is nowhere on the order of what the Hawks, Pens, Kings, and recently Oilers have experienced in their rebuilds.

This point is entirely moot anyhow as you completely missed the part where the Avs reasoning behind the trade is restocking the defense prospect pool. Ponikarovsky is swapped for salary purposes and doesn't need to be extended by the Avs if they don't want.

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02-15-2011, 09:30 PM
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It is a rebuild as those aforementioned acquisitions were long term moves.
We have plenty of prospect depth at defense. We need a big bruiser though.

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02-15-2011, 09:38 PM
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It is a rebuild as those aforementioned acquisitions were long term moves.
We have plenty of prospect depth at defense. We need a big bruiser though.
Guess we just have different interpretations of what constitutes a rebuild. And yeah, I've said earlier in this thread that the D prospects are meant to add size and strength to the back-end more than anything else (Teubert being that big bruiser).

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For Jones, Stoa, and a 2nd we could go after a proven defender that could stabilize our D core while our prospects come up. It's just a bad trade for the Avs.

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Teubert, Moller, Drewiske and a 1st definitely doesn't equal David Booth but you're overpaying for a guy like that either way. Look at what Francois Beauchemin cost the Ducks, or what Mike Fisher cost the Preds. Everyone overpays to get what they want, Teubert, Moller & a 1st is definitely an overpayment but that's what it would take to acquire a guy like David Booth. Panthers can just keep Booth and make him apart of their core? I don't see why they'd trade him to be honest

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