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02-12-2011, 01:54 PM
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According to all accounts, Gregoire is a far better defensive player, and an ace PK'er. So, he'd be far better suited for a bottom 6 role.

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I didn't mean necessarily apples to apples in terms of what Rakhshani/Gregoire bring to the game, but more that I see them both to be very similar in terms of talent level. And I don't see either being a regular NHL player on a Cup contender.

I hope I'm wrong.

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^can i ask what you base that assessment on?

BTW im no expert, and havent seen him play much, but i see rahk as a guy who can be a clutch player...sorta jack of all trades, master of none, ala maybe darcy tucker minus the huge ******* streak? is that bizarrely off base?

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I'd give Lee another season at Notre Dame next year and then assess the situation. His development has been great to see, but enough with the rushing of every prospect that shows any promise.

Personally, I think they shouldn't even touch him until he completes his Junior season as ND. He's on a powerhouse team with a very well respected coach - he's in good hands.
Lee is an overage freshman. He is already 20 1/2 so if he left school right now he could play in the AHL, but I would like to see him continue his development at least this year and maybe next at ND. let him get "over ripe" as Ken Holland likes to say.

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I didn't mean necessarily apples to apples in terms of what Rakhshani/Gregoire bring to the game, but more that I see them both to be very similar in terms of talent level. And I don't see either being a regular NHL player on a Cup contender.

I hope I'm wrong.
Disagree. I have seen him play close to a dozen games this year. he is a much better skater than Rakhshani, and has a real nose for the net, while also being a very sound defensive forward as well.
Kid is a sturdy 5'11" 196, kind of Duchene size, but he possesses a lethal release on his shot.
My assessment is easy 3rd line, possible 2nd line. This kid knows where the net is and how to get the puck in it.

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Lee is an overage freshman. He is already 20 1/2 so if he left school right now he could play in the AHL, but I would like to see him continue his development at least this year and maybe next at ND. let him get "over ripe" as Ken Holland likes to say.
i've seen Lee play, I think he's ready for the AHL. I don't think he'll get much better playing in the NCAA because he's already almost 21 and is physically mature - he's ready for the AHL test. I think he'll need at least 2 years of AHL play, not unlike Joensuu and Martin. He's not spectacular in any way but has the potential to play in the bottom six - if all goes well, he could be a top six one day too. Long way to go though.
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Saw Shane Sims today for Ohio State. I predict he'll be signed and play some NHL games before the regular season's done. He reminds me of Martinek, maybe a taller Jack Hillen. Good skater, smart, confident, very good hockey sense. Not bad for a 5th rounder over 4 years ago!
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Also, Gregoire scored another goal and assist today. I believe this kid will play in the NHL. He knows how to score goals and has an NHL shot. Reminds me of Bergenheim but much better scorer and much smarter offensive player.

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gregoire 1g, 1a in 3-1 sioux win - VIDEO Highlights gregoire assist on 1st goal and scored the 3rd goal

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i've seen Lee play, I think he's ready for the AHL. I don't think he'll get much better playing in the NCAA because he's already almost 21 and is physically mature - he's ready for the AHL test. I think he'll need at least 2 years of AHL play, not unlike Joensuu and Martin. He's not spectacular in any way but has the potential to play in the bottom six - if all goes well, he could be a top six one day too. Long way to go though.
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Saw Shane Sims today for Ohio State. I predict he'll be signed and play some NHL games before the regular season's done. He reminds me of Martinek, maybe a taller Jack Hillen. Good skater, smart, confident, very good hockey sense. Not bad for a 5th rounder over 4 years ago!
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Also, Gregoire scored another goal and assist today. I believe this kid will play in the NHL. He knows how to score goals and has an NHL shot. Reminds me of Bergenheim but much better scorer and much smarter offensive player.
depending on how you look at it, that's saying a lot or very little. in other words you could think of it either as bergie had NO scoring touch and was completely brain dead(which wouldn't be too far off in all honesty) or you think gregoire could be THAT good. imo, and if memory serves well the consensus here, thought bergie had a ton of raw talent but no hockey sense and couldn't finish at all.

if you're right, sounds like the makings of a pretty damn good complementary top 6 winger.

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I could definitely see Gregoire being a solid NHL player. He is probably our most underrated prospect IMO.

He's got decent wheels, a pretty good wrister, good hands around the net, he really just seems to have a nose for the net, definitely not a perimeter player, and I agree with redbull that he is a very smart player. He is also a very good pk'er.

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depending on how you look at it, that's saying a lot or very little. in other words you could think of it either as bergie had NO scoring touch and was completely brain dead(which wouldn't be too far off in all honesty) or you think gregoire could be THAT good. imo, and if memory serves well the consensus here, thought bergie had a ton of raw talent but no hockey sense and couldn't finish at all.

if you're right, sounds like the makings of a pretty damn good complementary top 6 winger.
The "Bergie was dumb, or had no hockey sense" crew do not know what they are talking about. To be specific, they are referring to Bergie taking too many penalties in general and some in the offensive zone or at the worst time. I saw that as undisciplined effort, others call it dumb.
But Bergie understands where he is supposed to be, is very good at positioning himself in all 3 zones. He rarely leaves his linemates short.

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I have always felt that Gregoire compares favorably to Mason Raymond. Similar skillset

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Disagree. I have seen him play close to a dozen games this year. he is a much better skater than Rakhshani, and has a real nose for the net, while also being a very sound defensive forward as well.
Kid is a sturdy 5'11" 196, kind of Duchene size, but he possesses a lethal release on his shot.
My assessment is easy 3rd line, possible 2nd line. This kid knows where the net is and how to get the puck in it.

I don't know about that. I sure hope you're right, but in my limited viewings of him plus what I've read, I don't know that he's an automatic NHL'er, much less "easy 3rd line" player. Again, I hope you're right.

I will say...Gregoire is a very grounded kid. Quite humble. I think his attitude will fit in nicely.

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Watching BU vs UMass right now.

Trivino actually looks pretty good so far. Looks like he bulked up a bit, and has been pretty good defensively. He's playing on the 2nd PP unit and 2nd PK unit.

Scored on a nice wrister from the slot in the 1st.

Also found a pretty good article on him(it's about a week old though).

http://dailyfreepress.com/2011/02/08...ss-stands-out/


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New York Islanders top 25 Prospects 2010-2011 (02/14)
#P.NameDOBH.lbs.L/RTeam NatLeagueGPGAPts+/-GPIGAAPct
1FNino Niederreiter8-SEP-926'2205LNew York IslandersSUINHL9112-1   
       Portland Winterhawks WHL40241943+13   
2DTravis Hamonic16-AUG-906'0216RBridgeport SoundtigersCANAHL19257-6   
       New York Islanders NHL3621315-5   
3DCalvin de Haan9-MAY-916'0183LOshawa GeneralsCANOHL4122931+7   
4FKirill Petrov13-APR-906'3209LAk Bars KazanRUSKHL20000   
       Yugra Khanty-Mansyisk KHL4481119+3   
5FKirill Kabanov16-JUL-926'2176RMoncton WildcatsRUSQMJHL2000-2   
       Lewiston Maineiacs QMJHL2681220+8   
6GMikko Koskinen18-JUL-886'6202RBridgeport SoundtigersFINAHL     203.640.88
       New York Islanders NHL     44.330.87
7DMatt Donovan9-MAY-906'0190LDenver UniveristyUSANCAA3061420    
8CBrock Nelson15-OCT-916'3185LNorth DakotaUSANCAA295510    
9FMatt Martin8-MAY-896'2192LBridgeport SoundtigersCANAHL71230   
       New York Islanders NHL45257-14   
10LWJesse Joensuu5-OCT-876'4212LBridgeport SoundtigersFINAHL2671118-1   
       New York Islanders NHL26415-9   
11GKevin Poulin12-APR-906'1202LBridgeport SoundtigersCANAHL     152.190.93
       New York Islanders NHL     102.440.92
12CDavid Ullström22-APR-896'3189LBridgeport SoundtigersSWEAHL4761723-8   
13CAnders Lee3-JUL-906'3218RNotre DameUSANCAA32191837    
14DBlake Kessel13-APR-896'2210RUniv. of New HampshireUSANCAA2851621    
15CCasey Cizikas27-FEB-916'0185RMissisauga St. Michaels MajorsCANOHL44272956+35   
16GAnders Nilsson19-MAR-906'5220LLuleå HFSWEElitserien     242.030.91
17LWJason Gregoire24-FEB-895'11196RUniv. of North DakotaCANNCAA24141125    
18RWRhett Rakshani6-MAR-885'10180RBridgeport SoundtigersCANAHL42102434-13   
       New York Islanders NHL2000-1   
19DAaron Ness18-MAY-905'10170LUniv. of MinnesotaUSANCAA281910    
20DMark Katic9-MAY-895'11185LBridgeport SoundtigersCANAHL4831720-11   
21FCorey Trivino12-JAN-906'1180LBoston UniversityCANNCAA2771219    
22DDustin Kohn2-FEB-876'1202LBridgeport SoundtigersCANAHL302911-18   
23DShane Sims30-APR-886'1195ROhio State UniversityUSANCAA3121517    
24LWJason Clark27-FEB-926'2185LUniv. of WisconsinUSANCAA14011    
25DAnton Klementyev25-MAR-906'1200RBridgeport SoundtigersRUSAHL48279-5   


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i've seen Lee play, I think he's ready for the AHL. I don't think he'll get much better playing in the NCAA because he's already almost 21 and is physically mature - he's ready for the AHL test. I think he'll need at least 2 years of AHL play, not unlike Joensuu and Martin. He's not spectacular in any way but has the potential to play in the bottom six - if all goes well, he could be a top six one day too. Long way to go though.
If Lee end up with the 45-55 points he's on pace for and ND does some damage in the playoffs, we could see him signed this summer.

Slightly overaged or not, his play to date seems to indicate that another year in the NCAA MAY not be the best route to go.

ND would love it though...

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Saw Shane Sims today for Ohio State. I predict he'll be signed and play some NHL games before the regular season's done. He reminds me of Martinek, maybe a taller Jack Hillen. Good skater, smart, confident, very good hockey sense. Not bad for a 5th rounder over 4 years ago!
Where is Dice??? He used to sing this kids' tune all the time.

Never seen him play, but if they feel he can even be another Kohn-type prospect, then get him on board, especially considering the likelihood that Gervais and Reese will be allowed to walk this summer.

He reminds you of Martinek???

If they share THAT sentiment, then there's no question about it: they'll sign the kid.

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Also, Gregoire scored another goal and assist today. I believe this kid will play in the NHL. He knows how to score goals and has an NHL shot. Reminds me of Bergenheim but much better scorer and much smarter offensive player.
If the Isles feel that 4th/5th rounder Gregoire has Bergenheim-like possibilities, he'll be brought into the fold. Good to see that he came back from the injury, got himself going and is now at over a PPG clip. It definitely looks like this kid is that team's leader.

I think most of us have felt for a few years now that Gregoire will at least be signed. I do however see him going all 4 years at UofND.

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Yes, I've been pushing for Sims to be signed for a while now! We could use his depth.

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Thanks Mikkel!
I cannot believe how well Casey Cizikas is doing. I hope they bring him to the AHL after his season is over

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Thanks Mikkel!
I cannot believe how well Casey Cizikas is doing. I hope they bring him to the AHL after his season is over
He has to be signed this summer, so...

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I suppose there's no need to mention that BPort has lost their last three games 2-0, 6-2 and 6-3.

Nine losses in a row.

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I suppose there's no need to mention that BPort has lost their last three games 2-0, 6-2 and 6-3.

Nine losses in a row.
They've only won ONE game in regulation so far THIS CALENDAR YEAR!

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hot damn +35 and 56 points for Cizikas, that's awesome

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Deadlines to Sign?

I believe we have to sign Cizikas and Sims to ELC's by the 2011 Draft correct? I hope both are being worked on.

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Anyone know what's up with The Rhak? Still experiencing concussion symptoms, b/c I haven't seen him on a Bridge scoresheet in a LONG time.

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When do you guys see Gregoire and/or Cizikas cracking the nhl roster?

2012?

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When do you guys see Gregoire and/or Cizikas cracking the nhl roster?

2012?
i expect cizikas to be in the AHL next year, assuming they sign him before JULY which i think (hope) is a no brainer. he'll need at least a year, year and a half in BP.

i think gregoire should finish school first and i also think he'll need some AHL time so he's probably a year after Cizikas. Gregoire will probably follow a Rakhshani trajectory but I think Gregoire is a better prospect (at least at the same age). He's a better skater, a bit bigger, plays a bit tougher/more intense, has a better shot. Rakhshani probably is a better playmaker but overall I'd say Gregoire is the better player in terms of NHL fit.


cizikas will probably make the best pro, but in a 3rd line role IMO. but only time knows for sure.

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i expect cizikas to be in the AHL next year, assuming they sign him before JULY which i think (hope) is a no brainer. he'll need at least a year, year and a half in BP.
Maybe it's just me, but I'd like to see a Cizikas-Ullström-Martin line to start the next season in the AHL. They should have enough offensive clout to do (pretty) well at that level, and it seems like a line that would make sense as a 3rd line in the NHL in the years to come.

(Martin would most likely be called up rather soon into the season, but I see little harm in placing him, at least at first, in a better position to succeed offensively)

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- With this and last season being very strong at the junior level, and throwing his WJC performance into the equation, I believe Cizikas is a very viable prospect and will likely get a cup of coffee next season on the Island if he continues to be the player he's shown himself to be to date. Time will tell, but it's very safe to assume that he'll be signed and given every opportunity to develop a role for himself in BPort. For all we know, his game may be the type that is for suited for the pro ranks and the pace could mean that others can make more of his offensive instincts.

- BPort lost 4-3 in OT last night. Koskinen was in net and in the shootout, only one goal was scored (out of ten shooters). That goal came on the last shot by Trevor Smith of all people.

The good news from a prospect standpoint is that both Dibenedetto and Ullstrom went 1-1-2 in the game. Dibo now has 13 goals.

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