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02-15-2011, 07:41 PM
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Just what I think myself. Always been a big Merrill fan.
He's done absolutely nothing (other than look really shaky at the WJCs at times) to be ranked ahead of Dylan. There is a reason Dylan was a top 10 pick and Merrill was a second rounder.

He's a solid prospect, but as of right now he is not as good of one.

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He's done absolutely nothing (other than look really shaky at the WJCs at times) to be ranked ahead of Dylan. There is a reason Dylan was a top 10 pick and Merrill was a second rounder.

He's a solid prospect, but as of right now he is not as good of one.
Yeah, just look at Christian Thomas, he's a 2nd rounder

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02-15-2011, 07:57 PM
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Stepan>nino
Grachev>>>>>werekBob at#3 behind step and nino
This list is also very biased towards ranger players IMO, it's expected but our upper esch of prospects aren't well ahead of the rest of the atlantic.
I'll take that bet. I'll take Werek all day long on that bet.

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02-15-2011, 09:06 PM
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I'll take that bet. I'll take Werek all day long on that bet.
Grachev has a hell of a lot more rawskill than werek does.

And you would take werek on a bet that hes essientialy much less of a talent than grachev

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02-15-2011, 09:15 PM
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Based on where he actually is development wise McI is severely overplaced on these lists (ours and this one) but if you go based on draft position and potential then his place makes sense.

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02-15-2011, 09:27 PM
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Based on where he actually is development wise McI is severely overplaced on these lists (ours and this one) but if you go based on draft position and potential then his place makes sense.
When I think of Ranger's draft position and potential I think back to our rankings here over the years with #1 ranked guys like Brendl, Lundmark, and the Huge one. Not saying he's gonna be a dud like those, but its perspective when basing a prospect solely on draft position and potential.

I'd rather he just go out there and tear **** up and have all of the WHL saying he's a monster shutdown Dman who good players are afraid to play for us to give him such a high ranking over guys who are playing the pro game.

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Stepan should be #1 IMO. Also Tedenby is top-5.

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02-16-2011, 10:21 AM
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Rookie goal scoring is just part of the picture. The young talent in the Atlantic been playing more than just one year. Just graduated means in the last few years, they are still young, but not just 'prospects' anymore.

If your point is the division has weak young prospects that's only because they've graduated into NHL'ers. Our division holds some of the youngest players in the league, and definitely some of the best.
Ok it's only natural to think our division has the 'best', but on closer inspection you have the following outside the Atlantic division, who meet your current 'young talent' criteria:

Victor Hedman
Matt Duchesne
Evander Kane
Steven Stamkos
Drew Doughty
Luke Schenn
Tyler Myers
Erik Karlsson
Sam Gagner
Brandon Sutter
David Perron
Wayne Simmonds
Jamie Benn
Erick Johnson
Derick Brasard
Bryan Little
Chris Stewart
Patrick Berglund
Nick Foligno
Jamie McGinn
Nikolei Kulemin
Milan Lucic
Steve Mason
Cal Clutterbuck
Carey Price
TJ Oshie
James Neal
Ondrej Pavelec
Kris Russell
Jonathan Quick
Cody Franson
Keith Yandle
Darren Helm
Cal O'Reilly
Matt D'Agostini
Kyle Cumiskey
Patrick Hornqvist
Sami Lepisto
Brandon Yip


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Yeah, just look at Christian Thomas, he's a 2nd rounder
Except I have watched Merrill play and while he has been good offensively, his defense has been a cause of concern at times. I don't like the way he reads the play defensively and I don't think he's all that great with the puck unless he's in the offensive zone. And even then, the minute he got pressured, he'd give the puck away or try and make a stupid play. He has issues right now and I think McIlrath is both safer and has at least equal upside as a player.

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Why not kreider at the top of the list???
Because he isn't the best prospect in the Atlantic.

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02-16-2011, 11:21 AM
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This list prompted me to look at some league-wide prospect lists that are a little...ahem...less biased. What jumps out at you is that the Atlantic Division as a whole is well below average on league-wide lists.
Might be because this division over the last few years has had 80% of their teams in the playoffs.

That means a lot of other divisions are picking up a lot higher-end talent with higher seeded draft slots.

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02-16-2011, 12:06 PM
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Ok it's only natural to think our division has the 'best', but on closer inspection you have the following outside the Atlantic division, who meet your current 'young talent' criteria:
I never said 'the best', I said some of the best, and I don't think you are proving anything at all with this anti-atlantic division stance

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Except I have watched Merrill play and while he has been good offensively, his defense has been a cause of concern at times. I don't like the way he reads the play defensively and I don't think he's all that great with the puck unless he's in the offensive zone. And even then, the minute he got pressured, he'd give the puck away or try and make a stupid play. He has issues right now and I think McIlrath is both safer and has at least equal upside as a player.
This come right out of your anti Mark Sanchez playbook

He's a FRESHMAN!!! A rookie makes mistakes on defense, film at 11 ! That's a real eye opener Jon.

As a true freshmen at Michigan Merrill gets a ton of minutes(rare), leads his team and freshman dmen in points, and was a standout at the big chill and the WJC's.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=547918

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02-16-2011, 12:06 PM
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Tedenby + Merrill > McIlrath, and I'd also take Stepan over Nino in a snap.

Otherwise, not bad.
Eh Tedenby is a better prospect (although 2 years older), but I wouldn't trade McIlrath for Merrill. McIlrath is quite underrated, and Merrill overrated as far as prospects go.

Agreed that Stepan is the best prospect in the division probably. I also think Nino should drop a few spaces, I just don't see the upside.


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02-17-2011, 05:23 PM
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Pit and Philly are just really lacking.

I almost felt compelled to include Depres even though I thought he was attrocious on Team Canada.
Pitt and Philly both have teams full of terrific players who are young.

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02-18-2011, 11:24 AM
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It totally sucks having to talk about prospects when Pittsburgh and Philly are Cup Contenders every year.

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